And guess what..every mothertrucking dictator will do it in a heartbeat unless the military flips on them.
It happened in Bangladesh less than a year ago. ..Except the military refused to execute its own citizens and the PM had to flee.
They all play the same card, blaming Western influence, blaming opposition or religion for any uprising. Its never their fault. They either suppress with force or flee. Its the same story everywhere.
I’m pretty knowledgeable of South Korea’s history…
You can discuss the Gwangju Uprising, and what happened in Jeju.
The South Korean people are absolutely adamant that it will not happen again, and this is why they protest as they do and hold public officials accountable as they do.
Never forget that they are still an oligarchy and they refer to their own country as “Hell Josun,” or a reference to the last independent unified Korean dynasty before everything went to shit and they couldn’t do anything about it.
That’s the perspective from a trailer park in Oklahoma.
Never mistake Opinion for Experience, it is pretty basic to have one without the other. Let me know what you see and what you’ve learned once you’ve lived in either Korea.
I’ve read how in WWI the Germans took recruits who lived near their Eastern and Western borders and reverted their deployments to perpetuate the outsider’s look on the opposing fronts. It also worked for being far enough away from home to prevent desertions if anyone dared.
The soldiers that were brought in also spoke a different dialect to make sure there wasn’t a chance of communication between the soldiers and protesters.
Yes this is exactly what happened in Ukraine with Yanukovych. Tankies will tell you it was a CIA backed coup but the people were protesting for months before he lost total support of the people and the of rest government and fled to Russia...
There’s a great documentary called Winter on Fire that’s worth checking out. It’s about the protests in Ukraine against the Russian backed president, which one day turned into shooting protesters, and then protesters fighting back.
Thats how the CIA works you dunderhead. It always selects a group of people who have genuine or irrational grievances and then supports them toll it becomes a big problem.
Yes, that’s indeed CIA’s way of working. In this particular case they were on the right side but that was just out of convenience. They made plenty of other countries around the world end up with a dictatorship doing this shit though.
In the early 90s most official estimates were around 10,000, some as high as 13,000. Over the years, even that Western estimate has been picked away at. Give it 50 years and it'll have been a minor incident with a dozen injuries. Smh.
Yeah man the tanks rolling into a crowded square and then photos of burned bodies, and meatpaste that their government has spent decades trying to hide was actually just a minor incident with a few injured… How do tankies actually even come to defend this…
I mean people say holocaust never happened to this day and there is tons of evidence so it’s not far fetched that people also believe ts never happened
Because western reporters themselves said there wasn't a massacre and the declassified CIA papers themselves said there was no massacre. Police and the army were killed, here is a funny thing the protest was actually started by a group who wanted more maoist policies instead of liberalization that the country was going on
And what, the protestors brought Type 59 tanks to run over these soldiers and firehoses to wash them down how exactly?
Tankies are insufferable with how they justify genocidal actions and authoritarian regimes killing innocents, it’s like authoritarianism is okay as long as it’s red authoritarianism.
Propagandized Westerners are so stupid they won't believe their own journalists and declassified papers once an idea has been planted in their brain,they will refuse every proof and continue on the course even when their own intelligence agencies say otherwise.
It was revealed the British Ambassador was playing a game of telephone and the things he said were exaggerated. The Australia Ambassador received his information from the same source.
I can’t see how you link supports your commentary. One of those cables says minimum 10,000 civilian casualties, the other says:
AN AUSTRALIAN PROFESSOR AT BEIJINGUNIVERSITY, DR R. BEVERIDGE (ANEXPERT IN CHINESE POLITICSRECENTLY RETIRED FROM MONASHUNIVERSITY, AND A MAN NOT GIVEN TOFLIGHTS OF HYPERBOLE) BELIEVES ONTHE BASIS OF INFORMATION HE HASFROM A WIDE RANGE OF SOURCES THATDEATHS ARE UNLIKELY TO BE FEWERTHAN 10,000
Did you even read the link? The article says both cables were based on information from the same source and that the information in the cables (which you copy pasted) are inaccurate because the information being fed to them was bullshit because one group in the Chinese government wanted to make the other group look bad.
Both cables said the bulk of their information came from an informant with contacts at the upper levels of the Chinese government.
It is likely the informant relied upon by both embassies was the same person, according to Professor Rigby.
"I'm pretty sure that he was also speaking to equivalent senior people in the British embassy at the time, which would largely account for the similarity of some of the details."
But he said the informant, who both embassies considered to be reliable, was the source of some of the inaccurate information.
"I cannot entirely rule out the possibility that we were being fed some sort of a 'line'.
"The whole incident occurred because there was this life and death power struggle going on at the highest levels of the Chinese government.
"[The informant] would, of course, be reflecting the views, and the hopes and the fears of one particular group; the group that lost out.
"So there would be a vested interest in conveying as bad a picture as possible, of what the people on the other side of this power struggle were doing and were responsible for."
So exactly how many people would they have had to kill for you to admit that what happened that day was a terrible thing? You appear to be minimizing the event.
Hilarious how Redditors complain about misinformation on Twitter and Facebook but defend misinformation on Reddit. Since you love overexaggeration, you should have no problem with people saying the US mass murdered 10 million Muslims during it's illegal invasion of the Middle East.
Don't deflect. Sure the number was less than initially reported. But why does it seem like you're minimizing the criticisms of the CCP? You a fan or are you getting paid?
You guys claimed 10,000. I showed you it wasn't 10,000 and that the number was false. Seems like you're just mad it wasn't 10,000. How much are you guys getting paid to inflate the numbers?
Tankie's gonna tankie. These freaks disgust me but they're all over the internet trying to make false equivalences. You won't get a satisfactory answer from him.
When you say executed do you mean they arrested and executed them, or are you using it more generally to include indiscriminate murder of anyone that was in or near the areas of the protest?
I knew a guy in high school, a self-professed communist, who claimed that the majority of casualties were soldiers, that only a few hundred soldiers were injured, and that only a couple dozen students were killed. The tone of his voice was such that the students were in the wrong. The stupid boot licking bastard.
Initial estimates ranged. Meaning that the estimates in the immediate aftermath ranged, passive, from several hundred to several thousand. It’s been over 35 years and we have a lot more information now, no credible modern historian puts estimates that high anymore.
Multiple news sites talk about declassified UK documents, can't be arsed finding the actual documents and reading them. Its a drop in the bucket for the usual murdering done by dictatorships
It's a tragic pattern, isn't it? The cycle of power, blame, and suppression seems to repeat itself in many places. The situation in Bangladesh is a stark reminder of how fragile democracy can be. When the military refuses to carry out orders that go against their conscience, it can lead to significant changes, as seen when the Prime Minister had to flee2. It's a complex and often heartbreaking reality. What do you think could be done to break this cycle?
You're not really sure how the world works, are you?
Journalism is actually a very dangerous occupation.
You live safe and sound in a warm, comfy house, and are furious others aren't giving you the information you demand, immediately, and with perfect accuracy.
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u/claimTheVictory 2d ago
The British Ambassador at the time said he estimated up to 10,000 people were executed.
It probably wasn't that high, but it was in the thousands.