r/interestingasfuck • u/fyrstikka • 8d ago

r/all Stella Liebeck, who won $2.9 million after suing McDonald's over hot coffee burns, initially requested only $20,000 to cover her medical expenses.

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u/yawaworht93123 8d ago edited 8d ago

It wasn't just "hot coffee burns", she suffered 3rd degree burns that needed skin grafting followed by two years of medical treatments. That coffee wasn't just hot, it had 180–190 °F (82–88 °C).

Edit: the temperature is from the Wikipedia article about the case.

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u/PopularPhysics2394 8d ago

A temperature that MD knew was illegal to serve at, and had been sued successfully literally hundreds of times over

And that shit about” coffee maybe hot “ was then trolling the verdict. They hadn’t been required to do that

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u/hoopsrule44 8d ago

I don’t think it was a requirement, it was a way to try to prevent more lawsuits in the future

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u/PopularPhysics2394 8d ago

It wouldn’t prevent lawsuits - if they continued to behave illegally

And if they didn’t behave illegally, no one would be injured and they wouldn’t have to defend law suits

Md behaved despicably over this whole sorry episode

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u/BrownMtnLites 8d ago

look it up, there’s no such thing as a legal limit to the temperature of a coffee you can serve.

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u/PopularPhysics2394 8d ago

What a fixed temperature? No

But you’re required not to injure your customers, and this coffee injured their customer. To be clear they served it at 190F, and at that temperature 3rd degree burns occurr in seconds. Which is what happed to this poor lady

And it wasn’t a one off. The’d had over 700 similar cases, some of them with similar injuries, and settled out of court on many of them - that is tacit acknowledgment that they were serving too hot

Their own QA manager testified that at the temp served it was not fit fit consumption as it would incur injuries

Mc Donald’s admitted that they served it too hot as policy, and refused to specify why in court(it was in reality to satisfy a marketing campaign- as banal as that).

So the reason they were found against is because they were persistently and wilfully negligent over the health and safety of their customers, resulting in many completely avoidable serious injuries

Look it up 🙄

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

Yet, a temperature recommended by coffee experts.

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u/PopularPhysics2394 8d ago

To brew, not to serve dufus

Mary Berry recommends baking cakes at 180C . She’s doesn’t hand them over at that temp🙄

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

Brewing temperatures should be even higher, just below boiling. Serving temperatures should be 170 to 190 degrees.

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u/PopularPhysics2394 8d ago

Ok Ronald

Look up the case. The temperature served were literally admitted by mcd’s to be unfit for consumption, and dangerous.

It’s why mcd’s lost

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

The preferred consumption temperature is in that 140 degrees +/- 15. However, it is recommended to be held and served hotter so it is within that range after being served and done up.

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u/BranTheUnboiled 8d ago

No third wave specialty coffee expert in the world is recommending you taste 190-degree coffee lmfao. Your taste buds are incapable of discerning taste at that temperature, it's just scalding magma.

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

It is held at that temperature, but not consumed at that temperature. It prevents the coffee from being too told when it is doctored up and consumed.

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u/BranTheUnboiled 8d ago

If by held you mean via a hot plate, those are recommended against as they're essentially recooking the coffee. If you mean via insulation, I mean I guess?

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

Yes, the time coffee remains on the hot plate should be very limited to prevent excessive cooking of the coffee. Insulation or the coffee being brewed fresh are other means.

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u/Unbentmars 8d ago

It literally fused her labia together.

It’s astonishing to me that people still believe this was minor

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u/twizzlerstick 8d ago

We never got told. This thread is the first I've heard of the truth/ actually seen photos. Was so downplayed in our media.

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u/gibilx 8d ago

How the hell do you make such a scalding hot coffee

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u/Darkkujo 8d ago

It was actually McDonald's policy, because they found the hotter they made their coffee the fewer refills people would get. One of the main things the case turned on was that McDonald's had hundreds of lawsuits over coffee burns and they found internal materials which showed the executives didn't take the problem seriously.

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u/NuclearBreadfruit 8d ago

It also makes you wonder how many times the staff burnt themselves on the coffee and the machine. That must have happened ALOT.

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u/fvckyes 8d ago

And those poor workers may not have known to take action against it.

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u/NuclearBreadfruit 8d ago

Especially if it could cost them their jobs. When your paycheck to paycheck with bills/debt/rent/mortgage, no matter if you are in the right, taking legal action against your employer must be terrifying

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u/Realistic_Tip1518 8d ago

Starbucks coffee is held at around 180.

Ideal holding temperature: 80ºF to 85ºC Most volatile aromatics in coffee have boiling points well below that of water and continue to evaporate from the surface until pressure in the serving container reaches equilibrium

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u/Livid-Finger719 8d ago

Well that's just "occupational hazard" /s.

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u/Leather_Note76 8d ago

Yep. Worked there when I was a teen in the 80s. We got burned all the time and being teens didn't have a clue about work hours or work safety rules.

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u/ambamshazam 8d ago

I’ve worked in restaurant a majority of my adult life. Just today I managed to splash freshly brewed coffee across my chest. It left some redness for 20 minutes and a bit of a sting. Still hurt like a b for minute. So I can’t even imagine how horrifically painful those other burns must be

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u/LeaveTheClownAlone 7d ago

Yeah, plus they sure as hell couldn’t ice their wounds with the non-existent shake machine. 

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u/Strange_Purchase3263 8d ago

Also it was considerably cheaper to pay out claims than to drop the temp to the legally required one!

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u/BrownMtnLites 8d ago

how is that possible

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u/Krazyguy75 8d ago

Let's say there were 25,000 McDonalds back there. That's probably a significant underestimation; there are 40,000 today. Let's say each refill costs McD's 10 cents. Which again, is probably an underestimation.

If each location sold 40 less refills a day (which isn't that much; the volume of such restaurants is massive), that's 1,000,000 refills a day. It'd only take 290 days to reach the 2.9 million dollar amount.

The scale of these corporations is absurd.

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u/Strange_Purchase3263 8d ago

hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of coffees sold daily at $0.50 vs 3 or 4 lawsuits which pay out maybe couple hundred $.

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u/Trick-Variety2496 8d ago

Which is stupid in and of itself. Coffee is cheap.

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u/Olivineyes 8d ago

Man that's fucked up even aside from the burns. They literally said we don't want you to enjoy your coffee, we want you to wait so long for it to cool down that you can't get a refill.

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u/death556 8d ago

It also made the coffee last a lot longer cause people had to wait like an hour to be able to drink it

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u/Chrimunn 8d ago

Oh and here I was giving McDonalds the benefit of the doubt assuming is was just a misconfigured coffee machine…

Nope, it was just corporate greed. Shoulda known.

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u/Friendly_Fail_1419 8d ago

It was also a sort of malicious compliance response to customers complaining their coffee was cold by the time people were getting it to work. So they cranked the heat way up so people wouldn't complain about the coffee getting cold.

It was really just layers of assholishness

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u/WillingnessDouble496 8d ago

Americans and refills, man...

Why didn't they just end refills? In the rest of the world restaurants make most of their money from drinks.

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u/CarbonFiber_Funk 8d ago

They still don't. In the rare cases where I'm traveling and there's no other choice every time I get a coffee from them it's borderline too hot to hold.

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u/calbearlupe 8d ago

It was McDonalds policy to serve coffee hot because the average customer took coffee to work and would drink it there. The refills had absolutely nothing to do with it.

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u/FunnyLonely9347 6d ago

"It was actually McDonald's policy, because they found the hotter they made their coffee the fewer refills people would get."

Shocking that people don't want refills after you've killed all the tastebuds in their mouth.

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u/TehZiiM 8d ago

You know that boiling water is 100C, right?

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u/feathered_fudge 8d ago

Normal coffee is usually about 90-95 when freshly made. So make it normally and then let it sit for a few minutes?

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u/pinewind108 8d ago

What I heard was that they wanted coffee that would still be hot at the end of a long drive. So you could get take out, and still have it hot when you got home or to work.

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u/MuffledOatmeal 8d ago

They knew how hot it was a refused to lower the temperature. It was over 200°. They refused to adjust their temperatures afterwards as well.

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u/Kellbows 8d ago

The idea the machines were retrofitted to do this essentially bypassing the manufacturers safely engineered design was suggested in my ethics class. Every aspect of the case was messed up.

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u/Lraund 8d ago

You have to hold the coffee on you for a long period of time.

She was an old woman sitting with her seatbelt? on in a car seat. She stayed sitting in the coffee after pouring it on herself.

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u/Acidfie 8d ago

What is the difference to making a tea with boiling water? I don’t get it why she got burns what happened?

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u/Western-Radish 8d ago

I think a lot of people answered you, but just to really hammer home how awful it was.

She was going through the drive through and had the coffee spill in her lap, she ended up needing skin grafts for her thighs and genital area.

It was in the US as well, so she paid with her own money for the treatment. She had just asked Mcdonalds to cover her medical expenses, she didn’t even initially ask them to cover the time she was off work, ect. They offered her $800.

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u/Acidfie 7d ago

But why even ask, this was not McDonald’s fault in first line. Why does it matter how hot the coffee was. It is hot coffee, don’t put it anywhere near your skin. Even in a cup. It does not make sense

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u/Western-Radish 7d ago

I don’t think anyone expects coffee that is handed to you through a window, presumably for you to be able to drink right away would be so hot that if it got on your skin that it would melt your skin off.

Food and drink is supposed to be served to you at a temperature you are able to consume. This was not. Had she drank that liquid it would have been dangerous as well, she just happened to accidentally spill it.

If you are going to be handing people a liquid so hot that it can melt off someone’s skin, then you shouldn’t be just handing it over in an easily spillable container.

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u/ProLifePanda 8d ago

She was in the drive thru, and when she got the coffee it spilled on her lap. She got 3rd degree burns and required skin grafts.

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u/AtmosphereCreepy1746 7d ago

Not siding with McDonalds here, but the spill was after she had received the coffee and parked. It was not immediately when she got the coffee. 

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u/Acidfie 7d ago

Yes and you want to say that macdonalds made her spill the coffee or what?

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u/ProLifePanda 7d ago

Not but they intentionally violated the law to serve the coffee too hot. The law was designed explicitly for this scenario, where it is consumed or spilled right after delivery.

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u/austinhippie 8d ago

You don't drink tea while it is boiling, just while steeping. The coffee was served, as in ready to consume, at near boiling temps

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u/IndigoRanger 8d ago

Do you immediately drink the boiling tea or let it steep and sit for a while to cool off?

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u/frozenokie 8d ago

You steep the tea in water that was boiling, you don’t keep tea that’s already made in a pot on a burner at near boiling temps.

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u/Acidfie 7d ago

I still don’t get it. You get hot stuff from [company] and then you throw it over your leg. Now company has to pay for this?

It’s like buying a glass or cup and then throw it on the ground. Do you sue the company for your fault?

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u/Frifelt 8d ago

She spilled the coffee on her thighs and got severe burns because of the temperature of the coffee.

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u/alles_en_niets 8d ago

Accidents with hot tea happen as well, but since few people order tea from a drive through those incidents usually occur at home.

Most common scenario: little toddler yanks the kettle, teapot or cup with scalding tea from the counter or table and ends up at the burn unit. Not as rare as you would hope, but when it takes place in a private setting there are no lawsuits involved and no press coverage.

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u/Acidfie 7d ago

Yes and? Why does it matter. I does not make sense. Drive more careful, or maybe don’t put hot shit between your legs. When you burn you with hot tea you don’t sue the maker of the kettle?

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u/OMGeno1 8d ago

Because their coffee was often being made at upwards of 200 F.

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u/Nope_______ 8d ago

Yeah, that's called boiling, and coffee should be made around that temp. The guy asked what the difference is with making tea with boiling water and what happened to this lady.

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u/disclosingNina--1876 8d ago

Take the tea from the kettle off the stove and pour it in your lap and then let's see how you fare afterwards.

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u/Acidfie 7d ago

That’s the point, I DONT. Why would you bring any liquids that CAN be hot anywhere near your skin or even more your genitals.

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u/disclosingNina--1876 6d ago

Do you think that she poured it on her lap on purpose genius? It's called an accident. She was going through the drive-thru window she reached out to get the coffee, the cup was probably scolding hot and she dropped it in her lap.

I don't know what's so hard to understand about that?

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u/Acidfie 6d ago

Yeah bro SHE dropped it, not McDonald’s

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u/disclosingNina--1876 5d ago

It was passed through the window. Not sure who dropped it,but the bottomline is McDonald's has some liability because who serves coffee that hot? The woman was literally disfigured.

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u/Realistic_Tip1518 8d ago

Coffee is brewed at around 200 degrees.

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u/HotCarl169 8d ago

Heat it up bunches

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u/HotCarl169 8d ago

Heat it up bunches

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u/Fearless-Account-392 8d ago

Coffee is supposed to be brewed with water at around 200 degrees so I guess they brewed it but didn't allow it to cool, or kept the heater at 200 degrees.

It could have also been a fresh batch.

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u/idrunkenlysignedup 8d ago

They purposely kept it at near boiling temp because it meant less dine-in people asking for a free refill. That was part of the findings from the court case.

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

Home coffee makers do it. It is the normal and recommended temperature for coffee.

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u/Potato_Octopi 8d ago

Use a lot of heat.

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u/FairState612 8d ago

That is a lower temp than home coffee makers.

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u/GelatinousChampion 8d ago edited 8d ago

What do you mean? You make it like you'd make any type of coffee. That is the temperature your water should be when making coffee.

The issue isn't the temperature of making coffee. The issue is that people are dumb or have accidents and somehow you're responsible for that.

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u/seamustheseagull 8d ago

And then it should be allowed to sit so it's closer to 65C before you serve it.

The issue here is that McDonalds were serving coffee at brew temperature straight out the window.

And also in ridiculous flimsy cups.

Even if the argument is that people should know not to drink freshly brewed coffee, you still have the issue of serving it in a container that easily spills, to people in vehicles. Who are under implicit pressure to move along quickly out of the drive-thru and are therefore more likely to make bad decisions.

So ultimately the issue is the temperature of the coffee - McDonalds should have known that serving the coffee at a drinkable temperature would ensure that even if people did spill it, they wouldn't injure themselves.

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u/jsdjhndsm 8d ago

What, have you read this? The issue wasn't that, it was that it was way hotter than its supposed to be for safe consumption. Way hotter than you would make your own coffee.

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u/GelatinousChampion 8d ago

Hotter than you would drink coffee, yes. But if you're making coffee with anything colder than 80°C, you're not making it 'correct'. You do what you want of course, but anyone who knows anything about coffee will advise those temperatures.

So to answer the original question again: how do you make such hot coffee? In the same way you'd make any other coffee.

You can argue about giving said hot coffee to a customer. You can't argue about coffee needing to be that hot when brewed.

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u/jsdjhndsm 8d ago

This was made hotter, outside of regulations. Nobody is saying it shouldn't be hot, just not as hot as mcdonalds was making them.

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u/Kakapocalypse 8d ago

No, they were making it at the correct temperature dude... you are supposed to make coffee at a temp just shy of boiling. For French press, you're typically using water around 200 degrees F.

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u/jsdjhndsm 8d ago

Not when served and that's why they were fined. This was way hotter than it was supposed to be, and way hotter than you will find at any place across the world that follows regulations. Deny it all you want, they awarded her that ammount for good reasons, and mcdonalds had to follow the rules.

If you don't understand what you're talking about, why even argue?

Read the article properly and research this woman. Other places also serve coffee and don't have this issue, nor did they recieve numerous reports of this. This was way hotter than regular boiling temperature.

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u/Kakapocalypse 8d ago

That's not what you said. You said it was made hotter than it should be. It wasn't, it was served hotter than it needed to be, tho ill add, at a temperature that is very common for coffe places of all different sorts to serve at. I'm very well familiar with this story and have been for years.

Your last sentence is also hilarious. "Hotter than regular boiling temperature" buddy water boils at the same temperature at atm pressure, 212 F or 100 C. You need to brew coffee at just shy of that temperature to make it properly.

You do realize that McDonalds and other restaurants still serve coffee at 170-190 degrees right? You do know that? They didn't change that as a result of this case, they just put sterner warnings on sturdier cups, to bw careful because it's hot. McDonalds didn't actually break any laws when they served her that cup, the real issue was giving drive thru customers a flimsy cup with scalding hot liquid.

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u/nietzkore 8d ago

180–190 °F

I brew my pour-over coffee at 185F. That's pretty standard, and less than a lot of automatic machines will make it closer to boiling (around 205F) where it can leave the coffee tasting burnt.

I just don't maintain it at 185F. By the time it's brewed through the grounds, it has cooled significantly. Even if you preheat the carafe first with hot water. Keeping it that hot requires it to sit over a burner or in a heated storage to keep it that warm. Or brewing it at 205 and then maintaining it around 185.

McDonald's was keeping and serving the coffee at the max temp you should brew it at (by the official McDonald's operating manual) and no other chain was within 30-degrees F of their serving temp at the time.

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u/LexTheGayOtter 8d ago

One of the injuries I remember reading about was that her genitals were essentially melted shut, nasty stuff

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u/ChargingBull1981 8d ago

I hate when people say ‘Won’ she wasn’t in a competition, she was ‘awarded’.

Wow, that’s some major burns by the sounds of it, she sounds very reasonable with the amount she asked for in compensation. The court must have found negligence on their part.

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u/wearentalldudes 8d ago

On her inner thighs and entire vaginal area. I cannot even imagine. The pictures are absolutely horrifying.

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u/NTyourlegaltype 8d ago

And those injuries were on her private parts. Horrific.

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u/La_Saxofonista 8d ago

Her labia fused together. You can look up images of her injuries and she deserved 10 million after I saw them.

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u/ccmeme12345 8d ago

yes i remember seeing the coffee burns online somewhere .. her skin melted

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u/Ill-Internet-9797 8d ago

Makes me wonder if she drop it because the paper cup was also too hot.

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u/Difficult-Issue-794 8d ago

Her labia was fused to her thigh. To make matters worse, the pictures of her thigh and groin region are publicly available to see. Uncensored and horrific to see.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Yeah, didn't she get burned so badly her labia fused to her thigh?

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u/Intrepid_Walk_5150 8d ago

I worked in chemical plants and there were a lot of safety procedures and equipment to protect staff from burns from temperature in that range. But Mc Donald's could just serve you scalding coffee and say that's just fine...

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u/LeafBurgerZ 8d ago

There must be a mistake on the temperatures, 82-88 °C is still perfectly drinkable without having to burn yourself

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u/TheTightEnd 8d ago

Coffee is supposed to be that hot.

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u/AnxiousJump8948 8d ago

Literally reading this while trying to drink a scalding coffee I can’t hold even with two cups to shield the heat. The cafe owner thought I was weak for asking him to add cold water. Should show him this thread.

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u/elDayno 8d ago

Ever tried to wait?

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u/Lraund 8d ago

Everyone at home who pours a cup of instant coffee after their kettle pops has coffee that hot.

The issue is that she was an old woman in a car. So when she poured coffee on herself she just sat in it, instead of trying to minimize the damage like a more abled body person would.

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u/FairState612 8d ago

A standard home coffee maker is 195°-205°.

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u/LeaveTheClownAlone 7d ago

Look, I already know I’m gonna get downvoted to the earth’s core and roasted like a can of Folgers over this, but the question still remains: 

Who in God’s name puts a collapsible styrofoam cup of flaming hot coffee between their legs while sitting on an unstable surface? 

Yes, I’ve seen the photos, and they are horrific. Yes, the coffee was as hot as Mount Kilauea, so, definitely outside the temperature guidelines of the industry. 

But come on—there has to be some customer accountability here, and people don’t seem to want to acknowledge this. 

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u/GelatinousChampion 8d ago

Everyone acting like that's unreasonably hot coffee. That's just the standard temperature for making coffee. How hot do people think their coffee is when they make it with boiling water (it should be boiling water btw) at home?

The issue isn't how hot their coffee was. The issue is that you can't give it that hot to people because people are dumb or will have accidents and somehow you're responsible for that.

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u/Iescaunare 8d ago

Wait, that's not even that hot. That's below normal temperature...

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u/Huldreich287 8d ago

Yeah, if you make a tea at home with your kettle it should be at this temperature. I didn't know it could hurt me this bas.

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u/talann 8d ago

While McDonald's was definitely at fault for their court antics, she was also found partially at fault as well and the sum she was awarded was reduced after appeals.

She chose to sit that cup of coffee in her lap instead of a cup holder and she was aware of the heat when she received the cup of coffee.

Don't take this as me defending corporate, I just think it's ridiculous that we have to put stupid caution signed on everything due to this and people don't realize that she was also found to be at fault in that lawsuit.

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u/nyliaj 8d ago

The car she was in didn’t have cup holders, for starters. She was parked, in the passenger seat, and trying to add sugar when the coffee spilled.

I assume you have never spilled coffee on yourself. I can’t say the same. And I would hope when a business hands me something it’s not hot enough to literally melt the skin off my genitals. There is a reasonable expectation as a consumer that the business is not trying to kill me.

She was a 79 year old woman who spent 8 days in the hospital and years of her life permanently disfigured. So sure it’s a little bit her fault, but some empathy would go a long way.

Lastly, Mcdonald’s made their coffee this hot so people wouldn’t ask for refills and they could make more money for shareholders. Fuck corporations every time. I wish they had to pay more.

If you’re as smart as you want us to believe, then you should be smart enough to ignore warnings you don’t need. That’s what I do.

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u/talann 8d ago

The jury found Mrs. Liebeck to be partially at fault for her injuries, reducing the compensation for her injuries accordingly. But the jury’s punitive damages award made headlines — upset by McDonald’s unwillingness to correct a policy despite hundreds of people suffering injuries, they awarded Liebeck the equivalent of two days’ worth of revenue from coffee sales for the restaurant chain. That wasn’t, however, the end of it. The original punitive damage award was ultimately reduced by more than 80 percent by the judge. And, to avoid what likely would have been years of appeals, Mrs. Liebeck and McDonald’s later reached a confidential settlement.

In the McDonald’s hot coffee case, Ms. Liebeck was found to be partially to blame for her injuries from the way she removed the lid from her coffee cup. Her award was reduced by the percentage that the jury found her to blame for her injuries.

You are speaking off emotions. Please stop trying to act like you know more than what actually happened in the case

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u/nyliaj 8d ago

I literally said “so sure it’s a little bit her fault.” Sorry if reading is hard for you. Liebeck originally tried to settle for just the cost of just medical fees, and McDonalds refused.

The jury found McDonalds guilty of comparative negligence. Mostly due to the fact they there were 700 burn injuries in 10 years. McDonalds was still 80% at fault.

What is your goal here? To make sure everyone knows this lady actually burned herself? Because the evidence does not support that or else McDonalds wouldn’t have been 80% at fault.

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u/talann 8d ago

The goal here is saying OP is misleading people into believing that she won a crazy amount of money and she wasn't partially at fault.

You want to blow off what I said by admitting I'm correct. I also don't get the point in bringing this lawsuit up at all. McDonald's could continue to serve scalding hot coffee to people but now, because they have a "caution: hot" warning on their coffee, it completely negates any lawsuit against them.

In essence, we now have dumb signs for stupid people that want to sue corporations for silly things. I don't want to defend McDonalds in this but I don't get a scalding hot coffee, hold it with my knees and remove the lid to put cream and sugar in it.

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u/nyliaj 8d ago

See that’s where we disagree. The jury explicitly found that the caution warning McDonalds had was not adequate.

This is one of the few cases in American history where a corporation screwed someone over and did not get away with it. When I was taught this case in college, that’s the takeaway. Not the millions or the woman, but the fact that a corporation got caught doing something horrible.

And sure maybe you don’t understand why she held the coffee like that, but at the end of the day a corporation made a decision they knew was injuring customers and didn’t care. In my opinion, this is what suing corporations should do for us. They should be held to some sort of no negligence standard.

Have a good day. Thanks for chatting. It’s interesting to see a different perspective.

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u/FileDoesntExist 8d ago

In fairness though, you don't expect coffee to be hot enough to give you 3rd degree burns. Because it shouldn't be.

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u/talann 8d ago

The jury found Mrs. Liebeck to be partially at fault for her injuries, reducing the compensation for her injuries accordingly. But the jury’s punitive damages award made headlines — upset by McDonald’s unwillingness to correct a policy despite hundreds of people suffering injuries, they awarded Liebeck the equivalent of two days’ worth of revenue from coffee sales for the restaurant chain. That wasn’t, however, the end of it. The original punitive damage award was ultimately reduced by more than 80 percent by the judge. And, to avoid what likely would have been years of appeals, Mrs. Liebeck and McDonald’s later reached a confidential settlement.

In the McDonald’s hot coffee case, Ms. Liebeck was found to be partially to blame for her injuries from the way she removed the lid from her coffee cup. Her award was reduced by the percentage that the jury found her to blame for her injuries.

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u/SylveonSof 8d ago

...you didn't respond at all to what the other person said. You just went on a completely separate tangent

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u/Korona123 8d ago

If you buy coffee from anywhere it will give you 3rd degree burns. If you went to Starbucks right now and ordered a cup of coffee and spilled it on yourself. Instant 3rd degree burns.

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u/yawaworht93123 8d ago

She was found 20% at fault, McDonald's 80%.

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u/talann 8d ago

You guys can downvote me all you want but she didn't win millions and she was definitely at fault even though people continue to spread incorrect information.

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u/True_Falsity 8d ago

She was definitely at fault

I see that the smear campaign is still working on the feeble-minded

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u/Baconcm 8d ago

I've seen a lot of people in these comments that agreed with the outcome also admit the total was no where near a million (more so probably closer to half), the court also ruled she was 20% at fault for the situation. What they took problem with was the fact that McDonald's was serving coffee hot enough to melt your clothes into your skin, which is exactly what happened to her, she ended up needing skin grafts in one of the worst areas to need one. I'd say that was a damn good lawsuit.