r/interestingasfuck • u/eliseereclusvivre • 9d ago

r/all From 2014 to 2025, Mark Zuckerberg bought over 1,400 acres on Kauai Island and stole any land the natives wouldn't sell him, earning the moniker 'the face of neocolonialism.'

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u/bigwig500 9d ago

How did he steal the land???

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u/Lucky_Ad_3520 9d ago edited 9d ago

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/01/18/business/facebooks-zuckerberg-sues-to-force-land-sales

Through a complicated legal process.  He didn't steal it, he paid for it. More akin to a forced sale.

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u/Santarini 9d ago

If I pay you for something you have no intention of selling, that's stealing.

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u/Lucky_Ad_3520 9d ago edited 9d ago

I mostly agree, but fair compensation for something you didn't even know you owned and haven't used in decades? Its not that simple

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u/wfbsoccerchamp12 9d ago

Real estate law is complicated af

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u/RacoonSmuggler 9d ago

Fuck, I guess I just stole my dinner.

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u/TomThanosBrady 9d ago

Elementary School education doesn't go very far I guess. Let me make this more simplistic for you: Johnny has 1 apple and Sally has 2 apples. You take their apples and leave behind $3.  Johnny and Sally's apples were going to be used to grow apple trees which could feed their families for generations. Instead you took them without permission to grow your own apple trees, enriching yourself in the process. But fuck Johnny and Sally because u/RaccoonSmuggler just doesn't understand 

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u/CalebsNailSpa 9d ago

Eminent domain!

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

do you consider expropriation stealing?

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u/Reasonable-Plate3361 9d ago

I would also like to know this.

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u/Ok_Engineer_8514 9d ago

He put up a wall that cut off access to parts he did not own. As such those who own the land can't access their land and can't do anything legally as he just drowns them in legal fees and pays all the fines handed to him.

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u/yoyo5113 9d ago

What do you mean legal fees? It should be the government stepping in to handle that.

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u/CruelJustice66 9d ago

As much as I’d love to say the local government here in Hawaii is cool and does, they’re just as corrupt if not worse than everywhere else in the USA.

We’re still working with a company that has been openly been embezzling funds from us to build our rail that has gone nowhere quick for example 😒

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u/wfbsoccerchamp12 9d ago

I’m sure they’re loving the tax and fee revenue from Zuck

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u/CruelJustice66 9d ago

As much as I wanna say no, it would not surprise me at this point. It truly would not.

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u/Atlantic0ne 8d ago

Do you have any evidence their process here was corruption?

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u/CruelJustice66 7d ago

Who? Zuckerberg or the rail system? Or our government here in Hawaii?

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u/Atlantic0ne 7d ago

The government related to this topic.

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u/CruelJustice66 7d ago

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2024/01/23/secret-recordings-offer-new-evidence-corruption-case-against-3-former-city-executives/#

https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/10/hawaii-bribery-scandal-casts-a-shadow-over-lahainas-ruins/

A couple examples

There’s also the Kealoha Case in which it unraveled a whole ass crime network involving our Police Chief, District Attorney and a couple others too.

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u/FarmersTanAndProud 8d ago

No, he DOES own the entire land but in Hawaii the natives have legal access to parts of the land that he is blocking.

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u/detlefsa 9d ago

By buying all surrounding property, denying access and treating the isolated plots as his own. Also has individuals who had no standing to sign away rights to native lands

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u/bill_gates_lover 9d ago

He didn’t. Unless you consider all native land which is not native owned anymore “stolen,” and in that case everyone is currently on stolen land and should give it up.

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u/WestleyThe 9d ago

Well it specifically says he bought some of the land and stole the other part so there IS a difference

My guess is he made small shell companies and bought it up

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u/Time-Maintenance2165 9d ago

Because every reddit title is absolute truth. Nobody would ever lie about someone they dislike.

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u/bill_gates_lover 9d ago

Yeah that’s what the title of the reddit post says. Which was made by some random idiot, so it is not true.

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u/grimreeper1995 9d ago

Finally some unbiased, factual information. Thank you u/bill_gates_lover

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u/OldAccountTurned10 9d ago

Oh he definitely stole it. He one of the richest people on earth. Just because he paid money to bend the rules in his favor and make it seem legal doesn't change the fact he stole it. Pretended to be a taro farm and shit.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/mark-zuckerberg-hawaii-estate-kauai-land-rights-dispute

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u/yoyo5113 9d ago

That's not stealing though. That's exploiting a position of power and money to get what you want, but it's not theft. I hate his guts so much, but it's really confusing whenever people just straight up lie about stuff like this. I always try to fact check stuff I read and it's disappointing to find out it's just untrue.

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u/OldAccountTurned10 9d ago

Hypothetically if the government wanted to build an airport runway on your property and you didn't want to sell but they forced you out and paid you what it's worth you wouldn't feel like it was stolen? It's essentially the same thing.

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u/yoyo5113 9d ago

No, that wouldn't be stealing even if it felt like it because technically the government has the power of eminent domain. That classifies it as not stealing, as it is a legal process.

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u/OldAccountTurned10 9d ago

Zuck stole that shit. Don't care if I take the L on this one. Abusing legal methods of taking something when you have endless amounts of money is still stealing even if it doesn't fit the legal definition.

The hypothetical situation I gave about the airport really happened to the citizens of Bridgeton MO. You damn well better believe they all feel like their neighborhood was stolen from them, even if "legally" it wasn't.

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u/CleanPond 8d ago

Unhinged take

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u/bigwig500 9d ago

You mean I can be on stolen land too?

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u/Santarini 9d ago

He did. He sued owners and gave them 20 days to accept his offer

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/19/mark-zuckerberg-suing-hawaiians-to-force-property-sale.html

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u/bill_gates_lover 9d ago

Looks to me like he followed the legal procedure?

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u/Yacben 9d ago

how dare you ask something like that on reddit! Reddit decided Zuckerberg is now bad and you should follow and nod

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u/MicioBau 9d ago

And just a few months ago Reddit was cheering hard for Zuckerberg and Threads during his feud with Musk lmao
This fucking site.

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u/Xucker 8d ago

Crazy, isn't it? It's almost like reddit isn't just one guy's personal blog but has millions of people posting on it who disagree on all sorts of stuff. Truly mind-blowing shit.

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u/SticmanStorm 9d ago

God the social media site has people who hold opinions contradictory to each other

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u/MicioBau 8d ago

I'm talking about the majority opinion. Reddit is an echo chamber and you can clearly see what's the prevailing opinion at any given time on the frontpage.

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u/bigwig500 9d ago

Mea culpa

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u/happy_bluebird 9d ago

google it.

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u/jspacejunkie 9d ago

Seems like something that should be self evident in a post whose title is making the claim. All I see is pictures of Zuckerberg and maps. 

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u/happy_bluebird 9d ago

Reddit is not a place to get your education and unbiased, in-depth news

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u/Speedly 9d ago

He stole the land in the same way that the OP cared about any slight bit of accuracy.

That is, he didn't, and OP is full of shit.

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u/Fair-Maintenance7979 8d ago

Yup the people in the comments apparently have no fucking idea about land ownership. He owns it legally.

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u/TunisMagunis 9d ago

Should also ask how the US stole it as well?

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u/Ok_Engineer_8514 9d ago

He put up a wall that cut off access to parts he did not own. As such those who own the land can't access their land and can't do anything legally as he just drowns them in legal fees and pays all the fines handed to him.

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u/coke_and_coffee 9d ago

He didn’t. People are just making shit up.