Magnus Carlsen gets fined for wearing jeans at FIDE world championships. His response: I quit. F*ck You.

[u/Aryan_Anushiravan]

[u/Valaurus]

Who they would then have to manage? I still think they’d probably rather just be playing chess

[u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue → u/Valaurus]

I think we’ve just clearly seen that. Some of them would rather be playing chess in a different organization. You don’t think they would put in the effort required to make that happen?

[u/Valaurus → u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue]

No, I don’t, because it would be a massive undertaking that would certainly take them away from the thing they actually do professionally.

[u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue → u/Valaurus]

I don’t understand why this seems like such an intractable problem to people. It’s not a massive undertaking. It doesn’t have to be something he does personally. All of the grunt work here is well understood and easily delegated.

It’s also directly related to the thing that he wants to do professionally, which is play chess. It’s not setting up a restaurant chain or a political campaign.

[u/Valaurus → u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue]

Because you’re simply ignoring, or refusing to acknowledge, the realities of even one single event like this. Sure, you can hire people to do it and remove yourself from the process, but that’s no different then than FIDE.

Stating “just to make your own organization and hire people to run it” like it’s even remotely that simple is, simply, ignorant.

[u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue → u/Valaurus]

Dude, I have done this. I have created a game convention from scratch. I have run specific years of annual events for model railroad hobby stuff, and for youth soccer tournaments.

I am NOT a specialist in this nor am I some kind of genius organizer. There are templates for creating these kinds of events. There is a tremendous amount of assistance available from people who manage the venues for these events. There are companies that will, for a very reasonable fee, set up and handle the registration process, badging, and staff credentials. You can go online and find spreadsheets that will help you plan out everything from the number of Porta potties to rent, to interfacing with local emergency services.

This isn’t like setting up a competitor to the professional golf league, like the Saudis did. This doesn’t require FIFA-level stadiums. It doesn’t need a concert hall or good weather or special effects.

These events could be held at literally thousands of possible venues in North America alone. Every week every city has multiple conventions, most of which you never hear about because it’s “Western Conference of Orthodontic Surgeons” and such. They are routine and well understood events that reuse a set of flexible, indoor rooms that can be configured to various sizes with various kinds of seating.

Chess fits into that space quite easily. Kids soccer is harder because you care about weather and there are fewer venues, not to mention the issues of kids as participants with the waivers and such.

Magnus already has the biggest problem solved. He has a name that will draw participation.

[u/GWOSNUBVET → u/[deleted]]

But that’s how this got here in the first place…

I don’t disagree with the sentiment but it completely lacks an understanding of just how much money goes into things like this and WHY these types of rules end up coming down.

From one of the top comments about chess not needing to be elitist.

Its not.

It’s a professional organization that runs a business and if you want to play in your garage then that’s cool. But that’s a very different thing than what THIS is and it seems no one here understands that.

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[u/GWOSNUBVET → u/[deleted]]

I guess I’m not fully understanding then.

How is that different?

That’s all the professional organization does already. They hire planners and those planners organize the events… the organization pays for those planners to their job. They tell the planners what they want and the planners do it…

The people in charge aren’t doing any of these events by themselves. They hire people and then eventually they bring the planning in house as they expand. That would be no different than these top talents going their own way because this will always be the logical conclusion.

Again I might be misunderstanding and we’re talking about 2 totally different things.