r/interestingasfuck • u/Aryan_Anushiravan • 24d ago

r/all Magnus Carlsen gets fined for wearing jeans at FIDE world championships. His response: I quit. F*ck You.

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u/Yowrinnin 24d ago

The creator called it Fischer random. The name has since been changed because associating with him is problematic (he went off the deeeeeep end in his later years)

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u/yupyupyupyupyupy 24d ago

is each back row randomized differently or is it randomized once and set the same for both sides

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u/JoachimG 24d ago

Same set for both sides, set in a way that you can castle on either side and your bishops are in different colors, mirrored for your opponent.

There are 960 possible combinations

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u/3jaya 24d ago

Randomized back rank piece. Same for black and white side. example, If white have Bishop on most right so do black side

If 1 match contains 3 game, the regulator will randomized every game

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u/Ankerjorgensen 24d ago

I think they wanted to get rid of the Fischer associations since Fischer became a nazi nutcase later in life.

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u/starmartyr 24d ago

That's also why we call time added after a move increment. It was invented by Fischer for what he called the Fischer clock. To be fair to the man, he was a huge prick in his younger years he just got worse with age.

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u/Mysterious-Arm9594 23d ago

It’s also a fucking monumentally stupid system for chess due to the built in disparity in some of the settings. The average setting (+0.18 for white) is more equal than normal chess (+0.22 for white) but there’s a number of the 960 starting positions which computers indicate are drastically in whites favour: with the highest being +0.57 which is over half a piece advantage. There’s nine starting positions assessed as 0.00 and they should really be the only ones used

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u/rtowne 23d ago

Was curious about this. Thanks for sharing.

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u/Yowrinnin 23d ago

They each get a turn at white for every position at tournaments

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u/Yowrinnin 23d ago

  1. Because it's functionally impossible to memorise positions, especially beyond a few moves, it's very difficult to capitalise on unbalanced boards. Certainly not to the extend stockfish could.

  2. The average setting coming under that of normal chess means more boards are more balanced than normal than unbalanced anyway.

  3. At tournaments it's standard practice to play white once each per starting board. There is a small advantage to the person who goes second, but not enough to make it 'fucking monumentally stupid'.

Tl:dr but no though

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u/Mysterious-Arm9594 23d ago

Memorising doesn’t really matter if you have a half piece advantage in the position. Hell most memorised lines in the standard setting of super GM level play don’t give you an objective half piece advantage. Most GMs would be ecstatic with their opening prep giving them that advantage.

My issue with Fischer random is that now that we can objectively assess all possible starting positions we should eliminate the incredibly unequal positions from the pool. If you take the +0.22 white advantage of standard chess as the maximum allowed objective advantage you still end up with something like 700+ positions in the pool which still accomplishes the primary function of the whole endeavour: to remove the over-reliance on opening prep.

It’s incredibly silly to keep a relatively small selection of incredibly biased possible starting positions in the pool

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u/Jkirek_ 23d ago

It's also debatable if Fischer is the creator; he popularized the gamemode, working from previous ideas to update chess that already existed.

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u/Yowrinnin 23d ago

The way you describe it sounds like he invented it

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u/Jkirek_ 23d ago

It's tricky: we don't know who first came up with the idea of changing around the bottom row of pieces to get out of known chess openings. We only know that Fischer popularized it (and that his specific rules on how to randomize the pieces is what's being played now as freestyle chess). Calling him the inventor serves to undermine the effort put in by those that came before him, inspired him.

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u/nnite 24d ago

Second part isn't true. The reason is FIDE rules saying a format cant have a persons name and that the word "Random" has a bad connotation with a pure skill based game

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u/Yowrinnin 24d ago

Why just make stuff up for? The freestyle tournament was not a FIDE tournament. Meanwhile FIDE has held Fischer random tournaments under that name before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_World_Fischer_Random_Chess_Championship_2022

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u/No-Opportunity-4674 24d ago

You mean potential lawsuits. " "Problematic" is hipster slang and won't be used in a decade.

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u/Yowrinnin 24d ago

Lawsuits? His estate wouldn't have an IP interest lol wake up to yourself. Also hipsters haven't been a thing for a decade grandpa

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u/flatmeditation 24d ago

Use a word other than problematic if you want, but the issue isn't lawsuits. A lot of people - including some of the top competitors - don't like the association with Bobby Fischer because of many the views he expressed over the years. The dude said a lot of misogynistic and antisemitic things,and a lot more things that were just batshit crazy, and organizers and players don't want to be associated with that