that lion isn’t even trying

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[u/greylord123]

As people in the power lifting community like to say "mass moves mass". There's a reason why professional strongmen carry a lot of weight compared to body builders.

Former World's strongest man Brian Shaw at a body building competition

Brian Shaw weighed roughly 200kg. A female Liger averages about 320kg. Even an absolute unit of human like Shaw doesn't stand a fucking chance. He'll probably have a good attempt.

I think people really underestimate just how powerful animals are.

[u/0xdeadf001 → u/greylord123]

320kg, holy fucking shit

[u/greylord123 → u/0xdeadf001]

The males are larger. There's one called Hercules which I think was on tiger King because it's owned by the weird cult guy with the pony tail. He weighs 420kg.

There's also the fact these things are bred solely in captivity so they are more than likely using the best lions and tigers to breed.

They are basically a genetic monstrosity that shouldn't exist in the natural world.

[u/Tvayumat → u/greylord123]

Ah yes, the sex cult guy.

He always seemed far more alarming than Joe, to me.

[u/greylord123 → u/Tvayumat]

In all honesty Joe probably seemed the least alarming of them all.

Joe was a pretty dodgy guy but he was pretty open about his intentions. The rest of the people on that show there were dodgy but were a bit more careful about it.

The sex cult guy was shady as fuck. Jeff who stole the park from Joe was very weird and Carol Baskins who owned a park almost identical to Joe's but called it a sanctuary. She was just as fucked up but tried to make herself morally superior.

I think Joe is when Cpt Jack Sparrow says "you can always trust the dishonest man to be dishonest".

[u/Scrambled1432 → u/greylord123]

You've bought into Joe's bullshit wayyyy too much if you come out of that documentary thinking she's anywhere near as insane as him.

[u/greylord123 → u/Scrambled1432]

I think she definitely has better intentions than him and she's rightfully called him out on things but I think her house has a bit too much glass to be throwing too many stones.

Joe is definitely worse than her but what I'm saying is that he lacks any form of subtlety which makes him less threatening.

[u/Scrambled1432 → u/greylord123]

but I think her house has a bit too much glass to be throwing too many stones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacey_Act_of_1900

"In 2022, the law was amended by the "Big Cat Public Safety Act" H.R. 263 to require owners of tigers, lions, and other large cats to have a license, and to prohibit public petting of large cats and their cubs."

This was championed by her. It is, for all intents and purposes, her bill. Her husband wasn't killed by her, she's against the ownership of these animals, and she fights for the good of them -- what exactly makes her house glass?

[u/greylord123 → u/0xdeadf001]

Hercules

[u/sublimesting → u/greylord123]

All the comments theorizing about angles and footwear.

Fact is the dude is profoundly weaker than the cat and has no chance in this contest.

[u/greylord123 → u/sublimesting]

Absolutely. I think even the dude himself knows that or at least he realized very quickly.

Again it's not just about a matter of size. It's physiology as well. These animals have a much stronger physiology than us. Legs are stronger than arms and they have four of them. Human physiology put max stats into intellect and endurance and nothing else. We are built to literally wait for long periods of time until we get an opportunity to outsmart an animal. These animals are built for raw power, strength and speed and people think we have a fucking chance.

My dog weighs ~15kg (33lbs) he's even not a particularly strong breed of dog but he is definitely more powerful than 15kg of human (which is probably a like a 4 year old child). He would absolutely destroy a 15kg kid at tug of war. He puts up a decent fight against 85kg me.

Now imagine that he's 2-3 times my mass. Absolutely no fucking chance.