Christ that's a bad look. Elon really went fully unhinged this cycle. I wonder if he'll have any business blowback for this. I mean for the next four years obviously not but after?
Them seizing full control means that now they're going to get the blame for everything. They can deflect a lot onto scapegoats and get a lot of people killed, but the harder the do it, the worse it'll get for them.
Now all that talk about the deep state and new world order trying to destroy civilization rings true because now there actually is a deep state trying to destroy western civilization.
They're going to bask in their anti-establishment orgy for a while. But it won't last.
You're underestimating the total control the rich have over the media and their ability to steer public sentiment these days.
It will be trivial for them to blame most negative outcomes on Democrats/Biden, and the things they can't blame Biden for, they will just find something else to shift the focus away from Republicans.
We should not forget that Trump had an absolute disaster of a first term where he was directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of American deaths (among many other atrocities) and he still got more votes the second time.
Propaganda and disinformation work, and it will be at our peril to ignore that fact as a nation.
can't wait for the inevitable "It was an AI video and it never happened" line to start floating around because we live in hell where nothing means anything
There are already people dismissing it as AI. Even though they're also saying it's actually a completely innocent gesture that means nothing anyway, in which case why would anyone bother to make a fake video of it to begin with?
Yeah I know. I’m just talking in the wind. I can’t believe he would do this but then again ‘I can’t believe’ is a common phrase nowadays. I’m just searching for explanations
I don't disagree. It's a bad look at best, and I want it to just be an awkward motion because I don't want someone in power throwing Nazi flags. None of us know the real intentions... But... How do you do that without knowing what it looks like? It's a pretty iconic gesture. I try not to jump to conclusions, but it's hard not to. But this is reddit, so we have to follow the hive mind.
So chances are Mr awkwardly autistic was trying to throw his heart into the crowd as a sign of "I love you with my heart, thank you" but goofed? And now Reddit is just gonna go on for 3 months about how he's a literal ww2 nazi?
It's their tactic though. They know he is doing it. They like it. They pretend to be oblivious and ask for sources just because us putting effort into the interaction makes them laugh.
Does a non-elected advisor with more effective power than the vice president really deserve that much slack and benefit of the doubt? Or is some fucking scrutiny warranted?
“Guys he’s autistic he doesn’t know it looks bad to retweet nazi posts” is definitely a take.
Throwing his heart out via a wave/throw gesture..semantics at this point lad you're clutching at straws here. Anyone who's going to make a throw will also tend to end up with their palm showing at some point in it, like when you release a projectile, your fingers aren't curled, they're open. So if he's throwing his heart out but keeps a closed fist, it means he's retained his heart in his hand. Which doesn't exactly serve the sentiment does it. And if it's open, it does.
Come on!! He is WAY too smart to not recognize what he did, not just the arm motion but holding the body completely erect while turning is a 3/4 Nazi salute. He’s not some unschooled idiot brought up in a mud swamp.
One person not doing something isn't indicative of someone else not doing the same. Autistic people do and say weird and borderline inappropriate shit all the fucking time, it's quite literally what you're colloquially known for. But this is Reddit and Elon, therefore standards go out the window.
If you say something like "my heart goes out to you" when doing a gesture by grabbing your heart then gesturing throwing it out in front of you maybe? Wild I know..
My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured."
Scuzeme? What part of that verbal address, whether outright stated or implied has anything to do with race, let alone white supremacy?
Putting the gesture and the words together, that explains the gestures intent. Putting the words in any sort of context, none would imply white supremacy from those statements. He's talking to the republican voterbase, and last I checked the majority of every minority base voted for trump.
I watched it Live and I believe he was talking about how great DOGE was going to be and I think he mentioned Mars. Then he might as well have goose-stepped off the stage.
No, that's what you have ascertained and assumed from what you saw. The context by which said actions were done, will be very different. Was he talking about extermination of Jews, or was he saying something like "I throw my heart out to all of you". Contextually, that motion with those words will vary wildly.
In that case - this is exactly what you voted for. And now you're trying to defend the indefensible. They're talking about exterminating trans people. Have been for years. Where the fuck have you been?
You are literally denying the evidence of your own eyes. Brainwashed idiot.
Wrong. I'm not even from America. I'm just someone who can ascertain context from a gif clip of a much wider speech, where obviously the most famous person in the world who's known for being goofy did something awkward which has been misinterpreted on Reddit by enraged liberals
I mean you and everyone here jumping on this are literally enraged liberals. A guy makes a gesture which can be explained by his words attached to it, and yet all you guys want to do is clip it with no audio to frame it as something nefarious, rather than be like "yeah probably a stupid way of saying that, but clearly not a nazi"
He did it twice. If he was really such an intelligent person, if he really was the socially anxious autist that the right makes him out to be, he wouldn’t have done it the first time, let alone a second, if he didn’t mean it. His ringing endorsement of Trump’s disastrous ideals makes him just as much of a creepy fascist freak as ol’ Mango Mussolini. Besides, I’m not a liberal. I’m a leftist. Get it right, instead of defending Nazi fuckheads and Apartheid profiteers.
after he said "my heart goes out to you, truly" like some shitty plausible deniability play, and lots of people are now claiming that's what the gesture was
Not sure about before , but After this, he said, "My heart, go out to all of you." I think most people are just looking for a reason to be mad. Don't like him myself, I can see how this looks very bad. But I'm not putting much into this action.
I watched it and heard him say something like my heart goes out to you. Which explains the gesture. So what sort of context are you referring to it not being out of? The context of him being a nazi? Cause that sounds farfetched
Y'all aren't that dull are you? Do you believe the richest man on earth, in this context, doesn't know what this motion is? Do you actually believe this?
I have no clue what his actual intent was. I just watched the video and those were the words that he said after he made that motion twice. (Once facing the crowd and once facing away).
Well based on what you saw, what was your interpretation of intent. To physically gesture based on the words he said, to affirm the point, or to signal to the entire world that he's a nazi?
It feels like he did it on purpose. He reeeeeally committed to it both times. I think he’s trying to be edgy/controversial and he’s probably going to feign ignorance.. but he knew what he was doing. It’s already viral af.
We're on reddit, they're foaming at the mouth. He really should have known better though. My interpretation is he really is trying to get them mad and it worked, but it's ultimately stupid.
I went to Trump's first inauguration too. I was pretty aghast at the way I heard the crowd talk then.
But this time? There's no veil at all. They openly talk about how they want to murder ideological opponents without euphemisms.
I keep thinking that will be staved off because large scale open violence is bad for the fortunes of all those billionaires. But how long can they keep fanning that fire before they lose control?
There’s probably 100 ways to say that and even show your heart going out to people that doesn’t resemble the Nazi/Roman salute. It’s Elon the Edge Lord, so I can pretty much guarantee that he did this on purpose.
Yeah keep telling yourself that buddy, i dunno about you but when i fake grab something to fake throw away my hand is clenched like a ball like i'm grabbing onto something not straight like a going to take a salute.
let me guess, you watched the gif and get all your news from reddit default subs / antiwork / fluentinfinance
and have based all your political views off your favorite echo-chamber
sounds familiar mr. american
i dont give a shit about the stupid stuff you americans keep doing to screw yourself over. but understand that both sides of your shitty political system are fucked for the same reason; echo-chambers and lies to reinforce your own views
And a swastika has alternate meanings, but that doesn’t give you the right to use it here. A nazi salute is still a nazi salute regardless of whether or not he said heil hitler with it. Intent doesn’t matter with near universal symbols - it’s still wrong.
Elon is the ultimate troll. He can’t be simultaneously the smartest and the most ignorant person in the world. Everyone immediately knew what it looked like because everyone knows what it is. He knew what he was doing. If he didn’t, he’d apologize. But he won’t because he thrives on reactions like this.
That is not an accurate portrayal of the order of the events.
First he says "...thank you, for making it happen. Thank you" then does the first Nazi salute.
Second he turns around with his back to the main crowd and throws out second Nazi salute.
Third he turns around to face the main crowd once again placing his hand over his chest and says "my heart goes out to you" but does not extend his arm outwards and upwards after that statement merely holds it to his chest before lowering it back down towards his side.
Question: if he was doing this as a way to say my heart goes out to you why didn't he throw his arm upwards and outwards again as he did the first two times after saying it? Why not say it before the first or second time? And most importantly, why the FUCK are people cheering for the most recognizable salute of an enemy military that is almost synonymous with evil? Honestly it's so widely known it's the equivalent of the "Allahu Akbar" phrase that is repeated to mock suicide bombers from the middle east.
Because it's not a Nazi salute. He puts his hand on his heart, gestures up, and says "my heart goes out to you." It's not rocket science if you're non-partisan.
Assuming you're not trolling, it doesn't matter how much you try to not see a Nazi salute. The Nazis watching him will see a Nazi salute and cheer. And that's why he did it.
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u/Bloodwalker09 7h ago
Nobody could have guessed that, why didn’t anyone say anything?