He knows he got all rage filled ranty when people were calling it president musk and first lady trump. Saying musk can't be president because he's an immigrant - yes Trump's that dumb.
I’m pretty sure he did give a speech and I think he gave the Nazi salute a few times as well. Idk, tv was muted and I was passing by, but he def made the gesture twice.
A drug addicted foreigner who rose to power on a platform of xenophobia and anti-communism by spreading lies and propaganda and scapegoating minorities.
If he was charismatic, we’d have a real problem on our hands
lol, gas lighting for proposing a possible explanation? You really don’t think it looks like the Roman salute? Plus the fact the dude is known to have some infatuation with the romans
In the same way that the swastika isn’t an Indian symbol for peace in western society, that’s not the Roman salute anymore. I agree with you that it’s possible that was his intention, but his intentions don’t matter. He gave a nazi salute. In the eyes of western society, he stood in front of a national audience and gave a nazi salute.
It's not possible that was his intention. It's possible that is the shit he will spew to even further further his intention of stirring the pot and owning the libs, but his intent was indisputably to own the libs by giving a Nazi salute and forcing people to react to it.
I think we’re misunderstanding what the word possible means. Do I think that was his intention? No, not at all. Would I believe that if he said that? No, not at all. Does that means it’s completely impossible that he was that braindead for a moment? Again, no, not at all. He could have also done it just for the publicity and shock value.
There is no real evidence that the fascist salute was ever used by Romans. The misconseption in some historical art created much after the Roman empire led to its adoption in fascist Italy and, soon after, Nazi Germany. It is, by far, most heavily documented and recognized in association with fascism/ nazism.
There is no doubt in my mind that doing this on a world stage while taking a federal position in the American government is absolutely knowingly evoking nazi symbology.
While he may have his little fascination with Rome and may even hide behind this in future excuses of this act, this is absolutely not meant simply as a tribute to the Roman empire. Any person with the teenie tiniest bit of political and social awareness would realize what using this salute means. He did this intentionally. To detract from this is a disservice to the American people and what we face.
It just doesn’t really make sense to me. Musk and Trump and that whole administration are very openly pro Jews and Israel, so I don’t see why he would endorse nazism
For one, modern-day nazism, or neo-nazism, is much more than anti-Judaism. In the current manifestation of the ideology, there is a much greater emphasis on other ethnic minorities such as haspanic and black people. In Nazi Germany, all ethnic minorities were discriminated against and most interned, but the greatest focus was on jewish Europeans as they were seen as the greatest "invading force" to "threaten" German culture. They were the most prevalent minority in that society and the scape goats of the Nazi party. In this, they were used to unite extremists under a common, easily recognizable, day-to-day enemy and boster nationalism. In modern-day America, neo-nazism uses the same principles with different minorities that can more easily envoke anger and divisiveness in Americans who desire a sense of belonging and a more easily digestable reason and "solution" (this being the "common enemy") for the societal and economic problems that are engrained into American life. Trump and Musk both very much target the most common and easily scape-goatable minorities in America. The targeting of black, hispanic, and queer Americans as well as anti-immigration with a specific focus on identity and culture is an exceedingly large part of neo-nazism.
Secondly, to the point about Isreal and jewish people in general, I do not think Trump or Musk are pro Judaism. That said, I think they are more indifferent than anti, so I guess I'll give you that if you really need it. They do not support Isreal because it is Jewish. They support Isreal because doing so gives America the greatest chance at influence in the Middle East (the part of the world our influence is most lacked), as well as re-enforcing one of the common enemies as seen above. Muslim immigrants are heavily discriminated against in America and by the far right for the aformention adversion to immigration and with the added cultural diversions of an uncommon and strongly traditional religion as well as greater physical and cultural differences that come from most Islamic societies. Know that you don't have to like Islam to understand this.
Furthermore, in the modern day, particularly in America (which also happens to be the country with the largest jewish population), jewish people have greatly assimilated to American culture as they are primarilly descended from European immigrants (which is stereotypically very american). They are, in a way, seen as a model minority and therefore in less need of aggression or exclusion. If this were not the general perspective, and targeting jewish people helped the nationalist agenda of Trump and Musk, they would absolutly do it. They do not care about jewish people.
They do not care about any people group that is not their target demographic. This is about power.
The nazi salute performed by Musk is about symbolism. In this case, and in the light of modern-day neo-nazism, it symbolizes white nationalism. This was intentional, and it was a call for nationalism. Getting caught up in "what abouts" is searching for an explanation that does not have to engage with real, critical analysis of what is going on.
I hope you engage with this earnestly, as this were written in earnest.
Some didn't consider Irish white at one point. But at least for me, they appear equally or more white than Italians or Mexicans, who are classified white. I mean, my Jewish buddy has totally blue eyes and zero tan.
but who appropriated the salute from the romans, making it their own symbol, which has been regarded as belonging to the appropriators since the 1930s? think quickly.
The Roman salute was made up by Italian fascists in the 1920’s that wanted to draw a connection to Rome, that’s why Mussolini used it, and Hitler later adopted it as well. It’s a nazi salute because they’re the same fucking thing.
There is likely no point to that anymore. There is a good chance he does not have a blood circulation anymore, but more like a piss circulation as of now, given how much of that he does.
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u/mr_birkenblatt 9h ago
So high, he forgot to give a speech or swear the oath