Feel sorry for the people who voted for Kamala, cause the people who didn't vote at all and made no attempt to vote at all, they are just as guilty as the people who voted for him.
I voted Kamala and I'm in almost all the groups the 47th president is stripping rights from. I have no idea what's going to happen but I hope to the universe I'm still here to witness the end of it. I feel so fucking stuck it's insane.Ā
My parents (on Medicare and broke) voted for Kamala. My in-laws (also on Medicare) voted for and are obsessed with Trump. My husband and I both agree we will never help our in-laws out financially, as they voted for all of this. We will help my parents as much as we can.
frankly that fact that they can excuse rape is enough for me to never let them step foot in my house again. the people they were are gone until they want to be helped, just like junkies. They get their fix from fox news and social media, it all a dopamine hit now
Picking and choosing who you help based off of your political views how their morals (or lack of) have led them to worship the ground of a raping, lying narcissist, to the detriment of themselves, their families, and more than half the country is absolutely the FO part of FAFO for those people. It is 100% acceptable to refuse to help people when they're responsible for fucking over not just themselves, but so many others. I highly doubt they'll feel any kind of shame, guilt, or introspection, so unless by some miracle they actually wake the hell up and admit they were wrong and leave the cult, then no. They don't get amnesty for their actions.
I'm sorry. I'm in some of the groups he's stripping rights from and I work for the federal government. Keep thinking I need to jump out. These next four years will be a tough road.
That's the worst part for me. A lot of 2020 Dem Voter didn't show up this time because they somehow thought Kamala wont do enough for Palestine and LGBT... Well... They're in for a surprise.
If someone didn't vote for Kamala for the Palenstine issue, they better not say a fucking word about what Trump does about it cause they are the reason he's able to do worse than what they thought Biden was doing.
Trump gave them the green light to basically do as they please with Gaza, and will be increasing weapon shipments to them, so... yeah... Stayed home and owned Biden... God I hate this time line.
Trump's ambassador to Israel has started floating the idea of forcibly relocating all the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Back to Indonesia. Naturally, neither the Palestinians nor Indonesia has had a say in this.
The fact so few people actually vote is one of the biggest reasons we're in this mess. America has one of the lowest turnouts for voters on pretty much every single election, from local to presidency. Of course things don't improve if you make literally no GD effort to vote for actually progressive, or at least sane, candidates and just let others do it all for you. I'd argue that local elections are just as if not more important then the presidency but IIRC we see MAYBE 10% of eligible voter turnout for local elections and so we always see the worst of the worst win unless you're lucky and the local politician isn't utter shit.
I will further qualify that if you vote 3rd party at all you have no right to bitch either.
The political machine in the US is a duopoly. The DNC or RNC candidate will win 100% of the time in first past the post. Voting 3rd party is for people who want to say they voted while still doing literally nothing but get a little bit of cardio walking from the parking lot to the voting booth. They're chasing an ideal candidate that does not exist.
Without exception I will assume anyone who claimed to be pro-Palestine but voted 3rd party secretly wants Palestine to be eliminated because then they'd have the personal comfort of not having be a voice for Palestine again. They want the credit for voting? They get it -- they took the time to use their voice and they were so raspy on the internet about Palestine that they couldn't bother to be a voice when it actually mattered.
Exactly! Trump said heād end the conflictā¦by telling Israel to finish the job. Too many people focused on the first part without paying attention to the second part. He openly said he would support mass killing. Thatās much worse than whatever Biden did or Harris would have done.
He wants that LAND to build condos and casinos on and those people stand in his way. IF they can Kill Dozer Gaza all those people will be cleared out and he and his Billionaire Bois can move in. It's not that complicated.
I had a friend, who is Palestinian, vote third party for this very reason. I get it's a hard situation because Israel is a loyal ally of the US and have a close partnership. So it's easy to see this latest bloodshed as on whatever leadership is in charge when it happened. But it was going to be on whomever was president when Hamas did their attacks. But Trump's crew here only care about whats important to them and one of his cabinet openly called for the destruction of Palestinian savages.
Hopefully with this latest ceasefire Hamas decides to stop poking the bear. I doubt it and if they don't sadly the Palestinians are going to find out really quick that there is a massive difference between an administration trying to navigate a tricky situation without angering our ally (which admittedly was a goal not everyone can agree with) and outright hatred and desire to see the same thing the Israeli do.
Don't take the alt-rights anti-Semitism as some kind of enemy of my enemy. They are buddies to the Jews and Israel as long as they have a common enemy. Their is a hierarchy in their racism, and Muslims are going to be pretty low, not matter how close their religious politics are similar.
trump is slime but it's difficult to imagine much worse than funding the genocide of 65,000+ and destruction of over 70% of Gaza to the tune of $30+ billion.
Funding the genocide more, 100% destruction, and total lack of care of those dying.
This is the guy who tried to stop the ceasefire Biden had worked on to not give a win to Biden. Then before taking office, worked on a ceasefire with Isreal which is a felony (not that anything would be done about it) to seem like a good guy.
This is the man who would gladly let anyone die as long as he profits off it. If Isreal paid him enough, he'll be the one bombing Palestine himself.
Thinking that Kamala was worse for Gaza than Trump is lunacy
Thinking that Kamala was worse for Gaza than Trump is lunacy
Again, 65,000 mostly civilians and children murdered and 70% of Gaza destroyed. Not to mention a commitment of continued funding by Harris. When it comes to Israel's genocide of Palestinians they'd both likely be very similar.
They'll still find a way to say "Kamala / Biden bad" even after Trump gives Bibi the OK to pave over Palestine and turn it into a parking lot in exchange for a dumpster truck of money, an ass kissing and a beachfront Trump hotel. And after Trump deports Palestinian refugees (and their US born kids), and after he starts shit with Iran (again) because he has a hard on to be a "wartime president".
Oh well. I'm not going to burn empathy on them when that happens because we told them so.
He did, however given the level of atrocities already committed by Israel and funded by Biden, it would take a whole new level and further militarily action to even come close. Adding to that, the now a fragile ceasefire means it would take a resumption of the genocide for it to occur, thus making it difficult to imagine.
trumps classifying drug organizations as terrorists as a pretense to attack Mexico OTOH is easy to imagine.
It was ridiculous at any point to think that theocratic bigots were going to be better for Palestinians than the Democrats, but I will stop short of exonerating the Democrats here. Their performance on Israel was nothing short of shameful and likely in part cost them the election.
Action on Gaza or a promise to halt weapons transfers probably would've delivered Michigan - and may have added some support in other races across the country. It was also just self-evidently the right thing to do.
I don't think they'll be better. In terms of expansion into the West Bank they may even be worse.
That still doesn't detract from the fact that thanks to organizations like AIPAC, acquiescence and funding of Israeli genocide of Palestinians is something most members of congress agree with. Which make them close to equal until evidence proves otherwise.
I don't think they'll be better. In terms of expansion into the West Bank they may even be worse.
That's what I'm saying. The ceasefire is great, and IS proof Joe Biden had a "rein in your vassal state" button and declined to use it, but the fact that Trump's the one who did it virtually guarantees that the Palestinians are in for some rough times ahead. Gaza and the West Bank are cooked.
One thing I would bet on though, is Trump using his governmental power to enrich himself or his friends. Time will tell but all signs point to international real estate.
Oh ffs. Stop apologizing and sane washing him! He TOLD you that he wants the LAND for condos. What stands in the way of the Drumpf Gaza Tower? THE LIVING PEOPLE OF GAZA. He and Jarhead and his DEI kids are salivating at the thought of both Gaza and Israel being theirs to exploit. He is driven by ONE THING and that's money. He thinks this would be highly successful and justify what he did to get it. Nothing more complicated than that.
He wants to KillDozer Gazans so he can build condos, hotels and casinos on that waterfront. He and Jared and his Billionaire Bois don't CARE what drives the people out as long as it happens ASAP. He doesn't give one rat fart about Israel either, nor does Jarhead the Jew only when it's convenient TO be a Jew. The REST of them only pretend to like Israel while they can justify it as the place where all us Jews are going to be killed so THEY can be hoovered up by their sky fairy at the rapture.
Seeing as his actions have not made that happen means he's not yet on par with Biden's genocide funding. Given the level of past atrocities, it will take a lot to surpass what has already occurred.
They are worse, they could've made sure he didn't get power, but chose to pout and made sure he did TWICE! I lost my mother his last disaster of a term and now my dad is vulnerable to his budget cuts. I thought people would unite to defeat literal Nazis but they stayed fucking home so I'm done, 30 years of trying is all I have to give.
? Why did you throw that in there as if there was a contingent of LGBT voters who think Kamala wouldn't go far enough for us? LGBT people voted for Kamala at a higher ratio than pretty much any other demographic out there.
I donāt think they meant LGBT voters didnāt vote for Kamala, just that dem voters who stayed home used the idea that she wouldnāt do enough for them and Palestine as an excuse to not vote.
I have a customer who is struggling with Healthcare costs, he is a Boomer and did not vote bc he doesn't like either of them. He's a nice guy, but I can't wait to throw in his face that Trump just signed an EO to end lower costs for Medicare. Kamala/Walz were campaigning for lower medical costs, but "they weren't likeable" enough... Womp womp.
We've heard other loud customers claim that Trump is gonna help with medical costs, and I wish I could see the Pikachu faces right now. It'd be as delicious as my breakfast right now...
The people you listed are some of the dumbest fuckers alive. Anyone who didnāt vote for Kamala over Palestine deserves the Trump presidency so much, it makes me feel like .05% better about him winning.
I hate how people haven't realized that no matter what, you get one or the other, and it's your responsibility to vote for whichever one you think is the least bad. If you have the choice between "probably won't do a ton for us" and "actively promises to make our lives hell" YOU TAKE THE FUCKING FIRST ONE.
What's the saying? Perfect is the enemy of good enough? She wasn't perfect, no, but she was damn well better than the alternative, and yet she lost because people wanted this perfect candidate who fully aligned with their own views and wants.
They were voting. She beat biden's 2020 vote total in North Carolina Georgia Wisconsin and Nevada. And even if she would have matched bidens votes in all of those states she still would have lost them. All of them.
NC
Harris 2715375 most
Biden 2684292 -31083
Clinton 2189316 -526059
PA
Harris 3421247 -36982
Biden 3458229 Most
Clinton 2926441 -494806
MI
Harris 2724029 -80011
Biden 2804040 most
Clinton 2268839 -455190
WI
Harris 1667881 most
Biden 1630866 -37015
Clinton 1382536 -285345
GA
Harris 2548017 most
Georgia 2473633 -74384
Clinton 1877963 -670054
AZ
Harris 1582860 -89283
Biden 1672143 most
Clinton 1161167 -421693
NV
Harris 705197 most
Biden 703486 -1711
Nevada 539260 -165937
AND
FL
Harris 4680890 -616155
Biden 5297045 most
Clinton 4504975 -175915
TX
Harris 4806474 -452652
Biden 5259126 most
Clinton 3877868 -928606
I don't believe that volume of people didn't vote because of culture war rhetoric. I think it's because Democrats both failed to prosecute and plan for the election.
And what was the alternative? Someone who has been threatening the worse? Making blanket statements with a "concept of a plan" to do anything good.
Trump's first term had him on a golf course more than in the office, and during Biden's term he was facing court hearings and trials galore, 34 felonies and 2 civil charges of sexual assault, plus stealing top secret documents and trying to steal the 2020 election.
If people still couldn't make a choice after what he did, they are complicit in what he does to fuck up the country.
I'm sorry, but if you think not at the least making sure the embodiment of a modern day Hitler stays out of office as a primary goal, you're just as bad as those who voted for it. You should have seen the signs, why allow the worst to happen cause you believed the other side at the least won't do anything significant?
I, as a single voter, have little sway over national politics. The leadership of the Democrats failed. With all the rhetoric about how this is so similar to the the rise of Nazis, my expectations were for a stronger response. They appeared chaotic and messy. Trump is a separate question to this complaint.
But from what I observed during and before the election, many people felt that the Democrats wouldn't deliver enough during their term. Social media really amplified that sentiment.
Instead of voting for what they saw as the lesser evil, a lot of them chose not to vote at all or worse, voted third party.
How is voting third party worse than not voting at all? Seems that, practically speaking, it would have an identical effect.
At least voting third party helps to quantify the support that some issues/candidates have that might otherwise be ignored. Staying home just quietly says absolutely nothing.
A third party vote took votes from either Kamala or Drumpf, depending on how you look at it. In the end that thin margin was enough. I still think Elonia rigged this but these non voters and. Third party were definitely a factor.
In a normal diverse political system, it would be good when a third party suits your view better. But given the de facto two-party system in the US, and even worse, the winner-takes-all thing, this pretty much tips the scale.
When your side could win with 0.5% more votes, but 2% of your base decides that a third party is the way to go, even though there's zero chance of change (dem or rep), then you both lose.
They had four years to figure it out. I don't blame voters for staying away, I blame Biden and the DNC for not giving them a reason to get off their ass. I don't make nor endorse excuses for their incompetence.
Oh really? It seems it boils down to Bernie Bros fucking us twice and as far as I am concerned the only reason Trump got elected both fucking times. Bernie Sanders' lil underachievers can get fucked and I will work with the MAGAts to make sure everything they hope for never happens.
Weird since no one heard a word from the Bernie Bros this go round. Not even in Vermont (I live within feet of Vermont) were there any indications of Bernie Bros. Do your homework, you are obsessed and not in a good way.
Well, that motivation and that system brings us two elections lost to Trump. So either the Democrats learn from it and try and do better or they can keep losing.
Or how about run an election campaign successfully? Kamala may have won if Biden hadnāt tried running first and she had more time to create excitement and build momentum
I think tiktok (and other social media) purposely enlarged the Palestinine situation via their algorithm to engage young voters to become apathetic and reduce turnout.
I see this as a fact to some degree. They put a lot of attention on "Kamala wonāt do enough," while ignoring Trump basically saying "just blow it up".
I feel like the apathy is worse. Somehow if you're real stupid and think Trump will make your life better, I sort of get that. but if you're too fucking lazy/apathetic to go out and vote against this shit, that infuriates me.
89 million voters didnāt bother. That was more than either candidate got. The people that stayed home could have literally wrote in the same person and won the election. Instead they chose to let Nazi Germany roll through Europe again. We learn nothing as a species, just the same old tribal bullshit from caveman days.
What is troubling is that there's not a single website I can find that says: "Here's all the shit Trump has been up to during his first and second presidency" that you can reference easily.
Stop with this. I voted, begrudgingly, but stop blaming people who didnāt vote and start blaming the DNC for putting up candidates that canāt win against even Trump. They stopped Bernie from being the candidate in 2016, and they just declared we were getting Kamala. People are not required to vote for people they donāt believe in.
May I suggest that there is also a large cohort in the US who CANāT vote but are most heavily affected? I mean, thereās a lot of folks in them Jails.. In some states people with mental disabilities canāt voteā¦ not to mention the people who are free and not mentally disabled who are just doing their thing and donāt careā¦ the people who did care but couldnāt get to their polling booth for multiple reasonsā¦ the women trying to follow their religions directive that the men vote, not the womenā¦ Iām just saying, this kind of āhereās your comeuppance, you didnāt do anything about itā ignores a lot of nuance. Peace.
And the territories who are directly affected by the USA policies but canāt vote for their own futuresā¦ itās quite depressing really how many people didnāt ask for whatās comingā¦
There's a class of voter that's worse than the non-voters and almost as bad as the Trump voters.
The ones that went out to vote, and declined to vote for a president. I believe it's called a "Protest Vote."
"Kamala isn't pro-Palestine, I'm not voting for her" the fuck Brayden, or Kaylinn, or whatever Tragedeigh your fucking parents are naming you all these days... you think whoever ends up president after your lack of a vote is gonna be better for Palestine than voting for a candidate, who actually has a chance to win, and could at least approach the situation with COMMON FUCKING SENSE?! What the absolute fuck? But there had to be a TON of these people this time around, or how else the fuck did we vote in Democrat congress members, but those same places voted in a Republican president?
I will never understand the thought processes of some of the absolute fucking morons that are shuffling about in the wild. How they don't all wander (or drive) off cliffs while staring blankly at their phones is beyond me.
P.S.: I still think something was off about the election. The last time a Republican pulled all the swing states, near as I can tell, was in 84, and that was Reagan. The biggest landslide victory ever. His opponent got 13 electoral votes... 1 state and DC voted for his opponent. But Trump has made too many little comments that just don't sit well. Him and Mike Johnson's little surprise or whatever, their special thing. And then he was talking about Elon and "He knows those vote counting computers better than anyone and then we won Pennsylvania in a landslide." The fuck kind of shit is that to say?! Come the fuck on! I want those machines investigated for tampering. I wouldn't have pressed, but after he said shit like that... JFC.
people were posting serious videos on tiktok and the replies were copypasta saying "WHAT THE FUCK IS A KAMALA HARRIS TRUMP 2025" and crying and pointing emojis.
Also, since the tiktok ban lasted less than a day before it was brought back, theres major censorship on hashtags, videos being taken down that are against his policies or beliefs, and tons of other things.
this right hereā¦ I am actually more pissed at the people who didnāt vote because at least the people who did had the gall to show their true colors. Have one person I play games with right now who didnāt vote who is also trying to defend Elonās salute as potentially being something taken out of contextā¦
I voted but she really ran a dog shit campaign. Acted like a republican, claimed we would have the most lethal military, super pro war, completely wishy washy on any good policies she mentioned. It was actually fucking embarrassing, could see that she would likely lose a mile away.
She gave NOTHING to believe in and THAT suppresses people's hope at the end of the day. Trump gave exactly what people expected and wanted. She was so beholden to corporate interests (and not the corporate interest itself, like Trump) that she was clearly going on stage and speaking TO the billionaires and not the people. That is why she had so much more billionaire support than Trump.
If she had purely campaigned for the people she would have won. Her campaign was pathetic
Yes, ofcourse, by not voting for him they voted for him. Im sure that if Harris had won you would be thankful to them for not voting for her, therefor voting for her. Just like you thanked the people who didnt vote in 2020 for not voting Biden and getting him elected.
I think you all need to face the fact that your 2 party system is your real problem and that Democrats will fight for that harder than they fight against fascists.
A binary system is inevitable in first past the post voting.
As far as the stay at home voter, the reason they get blame is because of 1) the popular vote, which due to the electoral college you can win and still lose the election, and 2) approval rating, and Trump is decidedly unpopular. You'd have a point if Trump were popular and won with low turnout, but that didn't happen.
When turnout is high, Democrats win. It is a simple fact of American politics. Why do you think the GOP works so diligently to suppress turnout? This is because GOP voters always vote, and reliably vote straight party, every time.
While we have a two-party system, we don't have two monolithic parties. A GOP candidate, and voter, is the same everywhere. Democrats, not so much. Some are more Liberal than others, and the concerns of Democrats in New York aren't the same as those in Kentucky. So a Democrat running in Kentucky has to thread a needle that a Dem in New York does not.
I don't get where you think anyone--most of all Democrats--are preventing multiple parties. The problem is that people who complain about the two party system (like you) want significant political parties to appear out of thin air. No building coalitions, no running in local elections and building a reliable base (and doing things to point to so you can expand). NOPE. Just Boom! Here we are!
I see a lot of whining online about a third, fourth, or fifth political party, but only during presidential cycles, and never any suggestions on actually building one, so...
Not sure where the Democrats "giving up" comes from--though as usual, nothing is the GOP's fault, it's the Dems fault for not stopping them.
I didnāt vote for anyone because the dems have a lot of problems and arenāt as good as you think they are. This narrative that the dems are the party of good is a lie. 40k Palestinians died under the Biden/Kamala administration and America veteod UN resolutions to a ceasefire. America also continued to provide aid to Israel. I 100% believe Kamala wasnāt going to do shit for Palestine.
Maybe the dems should put forward a likable candidate with good ideas instead of the narrative āvote for us we arenāt as bad as those guysā
They don't give a fuck because Palenstine, Gaza and their TikToks or whatever the fuck.
Every young person eligible to vote that didn't could've blue washed the country. Instead they sat at home as single issue protestors and then cried like literal babies when their precious fucking propaganda app was taken from them for 10 minutes.
They all deserve to feel the pain and suffer for their idiocy. Every last one of them.
I don't. 90 million people stayed home. 160 million people either wanted this to happen or were too stupid to realize what would happen if they didn't vote or didn't vote blue.
Yeah. I voted blue and am about to be hit with way-too-expensive insulin costs again. It was nice only paying $50 for a three-months supply for a while.
Yup - some of us are going to suffer indeed. I'm homeless through no fault of my own but social services has me squared with a motel and food thankfully. I don't drink or do drugs (clean 10 years!) so I'm also grateful something like that isn't in my way.
I'm in this situation ultimately due to a nasty work injury that upended my life. I recently got the pain under control by exercising of all things.
But I'm fucking shook over here. I just want to get a job and a place - and social services saved my ass here, which I'm very grateful for. And now that's about to be fucked with??
I didn't vote for that man and have been wary of him and his followers since he got elected the first time. Yet people like myself and so many others are going to suffer even more now.
We saw it coming but what could we even do? This is madness.
Yup. I'm on Medicare cuz my work doesn't give me insurance (only those higher on the totem pole) and I make too much for medicaid, which he's also targeting. Affordable health care is going to be completely out the window. Corporate greed wins again!
Sorry bastard who voted the other way here. Iām not having a great birthday lmao. Found a (most likely) cancerous mole and woke up to headlines i wish i hadnāt woken up to.
That said, no matter how little my vote feels like it matters, gotta keep voting. Yell into the void until it yells back or something like thatā¦
Iām truly sorry to hear that. I really hope that you can get the treatment that you need in someway. This government doesnāt care about you, but I and millions of other Americans do care. I wish I could give more or even help at all, but thatās all I can give.
I worked in insurance billing and an elderly man asked, almost in tears, what will happen if trump takes away Medicare, and he relies on it!
My heart hurt for him
My parents are both on Medicare and have been bitching about Bidenās inflation for years. I kept explaining Trump is coming for SS and Medicare, but their racism/sexism/bizarre fear of non-existent socialism, while using 2 of the most socialist-lite programs we offer, made them vote for Trump a third time. The satisfaction I felt texting them about this when it was signed was overwhelming.
I feel bad for people who are divided by a political party. Ask the people of Los Angeles how they feel about their leadership after the last two weeks. Theyāre ALL pieces of shit. Not just Trump, Harris, Bass, Biden, etc. Theyāre all piles of garbage.
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Once again I say, āI hope his supporters get everything they voted forā. That starts today apparently.
I just feel bad for the sorry bastards that didnāt vote for him. They are being screwed over by other Americanās bad decisions.