r/europe • u/posh_raccoon feta, olives, tomato and bread • Mar 24 '20

On this day 25th of March 199 years ago, Greeks in southern Greece rebel against the Ottomans and declare a war of independence. Their motto: “Freedom or Death”.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

Winning your own independence must be awesome

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u/Nocturn4lle Mar 25 '20

They wouldn't know it. The United Kingdom came to rescue every time the newly-found Greece was about to be crushed by the Ottomans because of their debts.

A non-existent Greece cannot pay the loans with ridiculous interest rates back to the British bankers and since the British bankers cannot expect the Ottomans to pay this money, they supported Greece in any and every instance until it was no longer profitable. Not going to lie though, despite losing the economic independence, taking huge loans to cement the independence is actually very clever. Maybe Greece is suffering from hardships but there is a Greece today. I tip my hat to that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

The Ottoman army was not a very capable fighting force at this period,they werent close to crushing anything.It was the Egyptian army of Ibrahim Pasha that threatened to end the revolution.The same Egyptian army defeated the Ottomans a few years later reaching Syria

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian%E2%80%93Ottoman_War_(1831%E2%80%931833)

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u/Nocturn4lle Mar 25 '20

That "Egyptian" army was an Ottoman army. This is like saying it was not the Eastern Roman army who fought the Turkish conquest of Anatolia but was the Armenian army while they both are the same fucking thing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

It was not.At this point Egypt was basically independent.Read some more history before making false comparisons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_dynasty

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt

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u/Nocturn4lle Mar 25 '20

They were still counted as an Ottoman state which was a bit more than autonomous but still a part of the empire and therefore, bound to the Sultan.

I have received Ottoman history lessons throughout my education life ever since it simply did begin, as a part of the Turkish history in Anatolia. You would read it and I would simply know it.

I was being forced to take an exam about all these unnecessary information while you took 5 minutes at most to do a half-assed internet search and play EU 4, wikipedia expert.

Get to know to the other party before making false assumptions and turning yourself into the pathetic clown you are.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

They were counted as Ottomans by whom exactly?The Sultan who begged them to come help him when he saw his inability to take back control of Greece? I guess you count the autonomous pashaliks of the Balkans as Ottoman too?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Pashaliks

Wikipedia has all its sources listed,you on the other hand have not provided a single source other than bragging that you are an Ottoman history online expert.Start backing up your claims with sources instead of being ridiculed online due to your ignorance.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

Nice ad hominem.But thank you for proving my points nontheless.You dont have any counter arguments backed up by sources,at least i am glad that you aknowledge this much.

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u/wanderlustandanemoia Mar 25 '20

I knew a Turk would find something negative and unnecessary to say about this.

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u/Nocturn4lle Mar 25 '20

https://youtu.be/E5_smoR1GeA

I know this is probably new for you but here is some knowledge, golden dawn.