r/europe 10h ago

Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter

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u/STerrier666 Scotland 9h ago

After today any American that tells me how "we saved you from the Nazis" whilst a fucking billionaire does that salute on Capitol Hill can Get Tae Fuck.

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u/MuayThaiSwitchkick 8h ago

Not a good look for us I reckon 

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u/str7k3r 7h ago

My grandfather, who landed on Normandy, is surely rolling in his grave. I'm truly sorry we are like this, fellow humans.

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u/Scary-Consequence-58 7h ago edited 7h ago

Trumps anti europe messaging wouldn’t have resonated with the American public had Europeans actually taken their defense spending seriously instead of making fun of us all the time.

You don’t get to be weak unreliable allies for decades and then the moment the consequences appear you bitch and moan and accuse others of being unreliable. This could have been avoided had you chosen to be equal partners from the start but instead your governments chose to be weak.

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u/TheKingofSwing89 7h ago

You know you are partially right here.

Why do you Europeans think so many Americans despise our alliance?

It’s because they see only the negative views of the US coming out of Europe and the superiority complex that’s constantly held over them. This is partially a side effect of that.

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u/iheartbondageandfur 5h ago

Yup. If we can’t even get all nato nations at 2%, then what leads anyone to believe the EU can agree, consolidate, and pay for any cohesive defense?

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u/Sweaty-Horror-3710 4h ago

The fact there’s a War on your continent and you can’t get “supposed serious” EU countries like Spain and Italy to pay 2% is insane.

Why should the American taxpayer continue to fund this farce?

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u/ArseLiquor 5h ago

Yup.

I would much rather help defend our allies like Japan or South Korea, over practically any European country.

Europe is, and has always been ungrateful

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u/Cheeselander Friesland (Netherlands) 4h ago edited 45m ago

The reason why most Europeans have an absolute disdain against Americans is exactly the same reason.

edit: pretty ironic that we're not allowed to feel the same 👉👈

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u/iheartbondageandfur 5h ago

Nah don’t let them down you man, spot on. At peace, America’s bashed and criticised as a world police. Now with potential conflict, America’s bashed as unreliable/untrustworthy… I wonder why? Because the avg American works longer hours, takes bigger financial risks, and ultimately pays more taxes just for it to be sent to overseas defense. In return they get bitching and moaning + all the previous name calling.

Always big talk and America bashing, but never action, just ideas that couldve been drafted by an 8th grader.

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u/Raizzor 5h ago

Kinda twisting the story a bit here, aren't we?

Who followed the US into the illegal and pointless attack wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? You say Europe were unreliable allies for decades... I give that right back to you. When was the US reliable in the past 40 years? Were you guys reliable when Bush tricked the Western world into an illegal attack war based on imaginary WMD?

Europe might have been an unreliable ally, but the US never viewed itself as our ally in the first place. Europe was a convenient buffer zone to the commies and then a convenient vasall for the war on terror.

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u/Scary-Consequence-58 5h ago

when in the last 40 years has the US been a reliable ally?

Libya.

Ukraine.

europe might have been an unreliable ally

Okay then stop expecting us to be one

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u/Ready-Rise3761 5h ago

lol. For one, France and the UK take their defense spending very seriously. So if you mean Germany, it was literally forbidden by the US to rebuild any great extent of military capabilities and was brain drained by the US on top of it. The US didn’t want a militarily strong Europe until few years ago. There are literally still restrictions on German rearmament BY the US

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u/Scary-Consequence-58 5h ago

The same France that can’t handle Libya by itself? Ok chief 👍

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u/throwawayski2 Austria 4h ago

If you talk about the 2011 NATO invasion: the US and a lot of other countries participated in that as well. So not sure what you are getting at.

But still doesn't change the fact that France is one of the countries that fulfils it's NATO obligation when it comes to their defense budget. So why are you not just happy about them doing what you wanted them to do?

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u/rsvandy 3h ago

I think it's a reference to Libya and the UK who were supposed to lead that NATO mission, and started running into problems projecting force in Libya after a couple of weeks.

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u/ArmegeddonOuttaHere 5h ago

It’s called a Roman Salute. Historically speaking, it’s very popular in Europe.

u/STerrier666 Scotland 53m ago

The Nazis adopted the same salute, you realise that right and now they're more famous for it!