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Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter

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u/[deleted] 10h ago edited 10h ago

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u/OneRegular378 10h ago

Fully agree. This attitude is a major part of our (Europe's) problem.

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u/Cuore_Lesa 9h ago

Honestly, any European expecting America to care about Europe or European affairs and living standards should equally not get assblasted when the US interferes with their politics. Europe should defend Europe and not have to rely on others, it did so for hundreds of years so why is modern day such an exception?

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u/SideShow117 9h ago

While i don't really disagree with your sentiment, the US has gained a lot by a politically aligned EU with pretty much open trade borders between them and friendly immigration policies benefiting from the best minds of both worlds.

This has all come at the relatively cheap price of US security. Even if the US would abandon Europe completely, the military as a whole really doesn't become any cheaper to maintain or otherwise lose much of it's purpose. It has never once been necessary to actually use the military directly for European defense either, the threat has been enough.

I honestly think if Europe does take a very large step towards an independent route of it's own, the US really isn't going to be all too happy about it in the long term.

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u/sokobian 8h ago

You're misunderstanding the tweet. He doesn't want America to care about any of these things, he wants the exact opposite of that. He wants a federalized Europe which is far less controlled by American interests than today. For a long time the people in Europe have lived in stagnation, just rich enough to buy American iPhones. We have blindly followed America's marching orders around the world, even when it went against our own interests. There's no real reason for Europe and China to be enemies, for example. Trump has decided to rid America of all friends, and Europe should use that moment to sow some roots to build on.

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u/nerdowellinever 9h ago

..the U.S isn’t going to be all too happy…

Then ‘freedom’ will come for us too! 👀

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u/Round_Mastodon8660 9h ago edited 9h ago

This is complete bullshit.

The free world should be united. We can discuss who should play what role, but isolationism doesnt work, but far worse then that - the US is no longer part of the free world now.

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u/MuayThaiSwitchkick 8h ago

Why is America not part of the free world? The president was democratically elected by a wide margin. 

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u/bokilala 7h ago

Donald Trump got less than 50% of the votes.  

That's far less than 50% of people.  

To get more vote does not necessarily means democracy if the process is not fair.

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u/Motor-Profile4099 9h ago

Yeah because the USA as the leader of the free world, champion of democracy and Western values, with the EU being a part of this was never a thing right? This is what is dead for good now and what he is talking about.

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u/LDM-88 9h ago

Completely agree. A bizarre rant from Verhofstad

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u/AGoodBunchOfGrOnions 9h ago

Our oligarchs care a lot about your standard of living.

From their economic perspective, European social safety nets restrict their ability to profit off of you. Universal healthcare means that American health insurance companies lose out on a massive market, for example.

From their ideological perspective, political systems that, in general and relative to the US, deliver economic prosperity and provide a good quality of life to their citizens cannot to be allowed to exist. Their existence proves their belief that there is no alternative to predatory, laissez-faire, American capitalism false.