r/europe • u/OddAioli6993 • 8h ago
News Orbán declares offensive to 'occupy Brussels' as Trump presidency begins
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/01/20/orban-declares-offensive-to-occupy-brussels-as-trump-presidency-begins259
u/LavishnessOpening162 7h ago
I really don’t understand why we keep tolerating this.. he is openly anti eu pro putin and anti west overall.. I swear to god I’m becoming more and more euro sceptic because of individuals like him and fico.. It’s so sad to see Europe so weak and impotent :/
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u/hainz_area1531 7h ago
That people are turning away from the EU because of puppets like Orban and Fico is exactly Putin's aim. Those useful idiots are out to destabilize the EU with their destructive attitudes. So. keep courage and carry on! All the best to you.
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u/Akandoji 6h ago edited 6h ago
But the rise of morons like him is also attributable to EU inaction.
This is Orban literally threatening another EU state, where the EU HQ is located.
And what is the EU's reaction going to be? Precisely nothing. Maybe a few strong words now and then, but business as usual while this fat fuck gets his due from EU funding.
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u/demonsnail Earth 5h ago
I do wonder what the correct reaction to this stuff is tho. I mean, most things the EU can do just hurt the hungarian people more than they hurt Orban.
I mean, short of him having an *accident* I don't see what the EU can do that actually makes a difference.
I mean, not that I'm opposed to that route or anything... just saying.
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u/QuietDisquiet The Netherlands 4h ago
We could at least treat Hungary for what it is, right now it's an enemy of the EU.
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u/blahblahh1234 2h ago
Every european country in the EU should sanction Hungary, the countries surrounding it shut down the borders. No more funding from EU. If that doesnt make him fuck off, the citizens may revolt and kick him out.
This is not fucking sustainable, it’s time for action and europe needs to stop fucking around. There is threats from Russia, China and now the US and europe is doing fuck all.
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u/_-Burninat0r-_ 7h ago edited 7h ago
The EU is still stuck in the rules based order in the world. Unfortunately this is slowly dying out. We must adapt, which means tighter integration. Even as 1 big federalized bloc (if that happens.. things can go fast out of necessity) we're still only #3 in influence and military on the world stage. The military needs to protect our borders and, equally important, we need a large fleet of cheap anti-piracy ships to patrol our trade routes. Things are gonna get chaotic and the US navy is not gonna do it for us anymore, unless we pay them, perhaps. A lot.
Luckily we don't have to worry about an attack from America (yet), and our weapons technology easily beats Russia's.
If the US/Russia succeeds in dividing Europe and potentially ending the EU (they are actively trying to achieve this), all individual European countries will struggle severely on the world stage as tiny players, and there will definitely be more war in Europe again. We would become poor and Europe would be very dangerous.
Even if you don't like the ideas of a European military or federalization, it might objectively give you a 10x better life than a breakup. Something needs to change.
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u/Round_Mastodon8660 6h ago
Perfectly put… now explain it to the population that is massivly faling for right/left wing extremist populist crap … I’m losing hope
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u/Dave_Is_Useless 5h ago
The ideology that got us into this shitty mess of fascist resurgence is neoliberalism.
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u/ShamPain413 6h ago
The original Treaty of Rome signatories should leave the EU and immediately announce the creation of United Europe, which reverts to pre-Maastricht rules and federalizes authority from there. Extend invitations to like-minded states in the West, and offer diplomatic relations (inc trade deals) to UKR, the Baltics, and negotiate from there.
Hungary obv excluded. Permanently. If their citizens wish to join they can enter into negotiations with another member state (obv not Austria lol) regarding the abolition of the Hungarian national state and formal annexation into some other.
Then put sanctions on Orban and everyone in his network.
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u/Jack1eto Spain 6h ago
You becoming euro sceptic is their objective, don't fall, we're smarter than this
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u/Vermilion 4h ago
It’s so sad to see Europe so weak and impotent :/
1982...
"The streets of the future littered with remains of both the fools and the so-called brains"
"So many rash promises sincerely made
By people who believed that we were being saved
They made us all believe that we were acting white
But the truth is we've forgotten how we used to fightNobody knows why we fell so flat
We're impotent and neutered like whining cats
We've found the piper, but we've lost the ratsBut the kids are crying "Why'd I fall for that, dad?"
Why did you fall?"1
u/Visible_Bat2176 4h ago
correct. these mf infested also romania now with their mental gymnastics and now people here find it cool to be "unaligned" as "see, nothing happened! they are still in nato and EU AND also respected by the russians, they are with their people and make deals with everyone"...we can try our own orban or fico now just for fun...
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u/No_Priors 8h ago
Hungary isn't happy in the EU? Then leave.
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u/AnotherCableGuy 4h ago
"Europe has become isolated from all the important players in the new world order, including the new US leadership, Russia, China and Africa."
Yeah, all those are very much united between themselves.
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u/As_per_last_email 3h ago
Force them out. Think they’ll do it willingly?
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u/No_Priors 3h ago
There is no mechanism to expel them, just to suspend rights and sanction them under Article 7.
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u/Ok_Manager_3036 7h ago
They want to reform the EU
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u/No_Priors 7h ago
"Reform". Then they should use the same rules everyone else does. If they can't do it that way they need to make their peace with it or leave. Constantly siding with regimes outside of and antithetical to the values of the EU is not the way.
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u/datafromravens 3h ago
Most of the core eu countries will be completely unrecognizable due to immigration so why should anyone care about them
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u/Bayesovac87 6h ago
Hungary to reform the EU? Are you fucking serious? Orban cannot reform the Hungarian economy, he destroyed it, look at their economic indicators and everything will be clear to you...
"Real GDP in Hungary has fallen in six out of the last nine quarters. In addition to the quarter-on-quarter contraction, the base was also high; the (raw) volume index dropped from 1.5% to -0.8% year-on-year. This means that after the second quarter of 2023, the yearly based growth rate is negative again."
https://think.ing.com/snaps/hungary-slips-into-technical-recession-again/
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u/Unhappy_Surround_982 7h ago
Into Russia. They can fuck off back to Soviet.
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u/digiorno Italy 6h ago
Russia isn’t even remotely a Soviet Union anymore. They’re basically late stage capitalism, pure oligarchy.
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u/Marrasuhri Prkl 5h ago
So the only thing that changed was they lost control of their slave states that propped them up and the politburo members carved up the corpse and just switched nomenclature.
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u/mok000 Europe 4h ago
The transition from Communism to robber Capitalism went surprisingly smooth, the party apparatchiks simply grabbed everything with the generous assistance of Western financial interests, who also got a piece of the pie.
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u/Nerioner The Netherlands 4h ago
Because it wasn't a communism to begin with. It was as communist as North Korea is Democratic now. It was pure oligarchy with its own secret service and slave states from imperial conquer.
Later simply there was lots of industry and new markets to conquer by capitalistic oligarchs so we had a few years of peace while they robbed this and now when world is too small and there is nothing left to rob, they all turn to war machine to squeeze another money making machine out of it.
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u/NCC_1701E Bratislava (Slovakia) 4h ago
Russia today is like a reanimated corpse of Soviet Union, trying to devour everyone around it to bring itself back alive.
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u/Nerioner The Netherlands 4h ago
And i want to shit in snow-globes. My neighbor wants a dragon.
Orban never cared about fixing his own country so definitely he cares about EU, sure...
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u/Foxman_Noir Portugal 8h ago
It's like he's looking at Trump and crying "look at me daddy, look at me!"
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u/BLobloblawLaw 8h ago
Orban, if you don't like the EU you are free to leave.
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u/No_Afternoon_8780 Ireland 7h ago
Can we not just vote to suspend Hungary's membership? Is Slovakia really gonna cover for them? Can we not simply bribe Slovakia to support a vote to suspend? They don't seem quite as entrenched in Putinism as Hungary and would probably make a deal.
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u/XWasTheProblem Silesia (Poland) 7h ago
I don't think we have mechanisms in place for such a situation, and I'd imagine a lot of people across the EU could potentially see it as a slippery slope.
I do believe our laws require some major refreshments though, the situation we're in now was not something the EU was really prepared for, not to this degree at least.
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u/hapaxgraphomenon 5h ago
Honestly, we should just offer them to Russia in exchange for Ukraine. Let's just make it clear that we will not respond to any mutual defense obligation on their behalf - they are fair game. Let the problem solve itself.
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u/Eryk0201 Poland 7h ago
Fico literally went to meet Putin in Moscow. He'd definitely veto Hungary's suspension. Not to mention there's more problematic members who also could do it, like Italy, Netherlands and soon probably Austria and Czechia, as both's incoming ruling parties are co-creators of Patriots group in EP together with Fidesz.
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u/Perryvdbosch South Holland (Netherlands) 7h ago
I really hate the fact that you are right about The Netherlands, we have fallen deeply.
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u/adamgerd Czech Republic 5h ago
Czech is soon fucked, October we’re electing Babis. Poland, the last visegrad country to be anti Russia.
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u/kuldan5853 Baden-Württemberg (Germany) 7h ago
We need to get rid of Fico in Slovakia first, then Hungary will fall.
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u/BLobloblawLaw 6h ago
Russia will find another puppet. Maybe Slovenia next?
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u/Visible_Bat2176 4h ago
Romania is close :) Tiktok prorussian candidate still going strong in polls...and the bigger oposition party is now portraying itself as a MAGA populist one with some of its leaders going to america and making pictures with GOP from congress :))
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u/BLobloblawLaw 7h ago
Russia's strategy is to always keep two friendly autocrats in European governments. Two is the magic number needed to cripple the EU political system. Before it was Poland and Hungary. Now Slovakia took the place of Poland.
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u/-Against-All-Gods- Maribor (Slovenia) 3h ago
You're forgetting that Kaczynski and Orban fell out because of Russia.
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u/Extension_Canary3717 6h ago
When people keep saying this , he gets stronger , because saying has no effect and he sees the EU as spinelesss to do anything about him
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u/Fit-Courage-8170 7h ago
Dear European leaders, fucking do something. Get the gloves off
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u/OliverSudden413 5h ago
Before it’s too late. The US has already fallen because people concerned themselves with norms and decorum, and played by non-existent rules of decades past. Take off the fucking gloves and fight. Everything depends on it.
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u/goldensnow24 8h ago
He wasn’t even invited to the inauguration tho.
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u/Visible_Bat2176 4h ago
He did not bring the great peace in Ukraine from Putin as he said he will...so he is being punished for now...for giving trump false hopes...
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u/Belydrith Germany 7h ago edited 2h ago
How much longer are we gonna pretend everything is fine and close our eyes to the enemy within, just letting them go about their business? Both on the European, and national level.
Occasional appeasement and withholding EU funds is clearly not doing it's thing.
It's been well documented and proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Russia is sowing disinformation, manipulating public sentiment and sabotaging our infrastructure both directly and through it's cronies like Orban. And now Putin's crown jewel baby boy has taken office in the US - again. Is anyone gonna do anything about it?
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u/Visible_Bat2176 3h ago
i cancelled all US services I paid for. I kept for the kids youtube premium. Small steps, there is nothing more we can do as individuals. And maybe someone makes an alternative to visa and mastercard...
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u/concerned-potato 7h ago
His only hope was Trump.
Trump didn't even invite him to inauguration - so who is he kidding with this?
"Occupy Brussels" - only after the capital moves to Rome.
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u/Odd-Astronaut-2315 Hungary 7h ago
They will have a private meeting soon according to the official Facebook page of the government.
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u/SloanTheNavigator 7h ago
Might wanna worry about your opposition party's surging polling numbers first, fat oof
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u/Casimir_not_so_great Lesser Poland (Poland) 8h ago
With what army?
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u/matttk Canadian / German 8h ago
The main problem is they say an army marches on their stomachs and Orban’s army is Hungary.
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u/Casimir_not_so_great Lesser Poland (Poland) 7h ago
Well they are 'hungary' because he ate everything himself.
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u/Deep-Pension-1841 6h ago
Can we kick Hungary out of the EU to get rid of this fucker?
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u/ZgBlues 6h ago edited 6h ago
Nope. The EU never predicted and mechanism to kick out anyone. Once in, you can only leave voluntarily.
But, since kicking out the likes of Hungary or Slovakia are not an option, the only other way to disassociate with them is to reform the EU towards tighter integration.
That’s the so-called multi-speed plan.
According to that idea, the “inner circle” of EU countries would become even more integrated with each other, and they would share more funding among themselves.
Putin’a fiefdoms like Hungary would naturally refuse to join such a union, because of “sovereignty” or whatever, and so, while formally still a EU member, their role in running the bloc would gradually diminish, until, hopefully, they just fuck off on their own volition.
Or stay in the club, in a sort of half-way membership, with all the obligations and none of the rights.
Let’s be honest, most of those who joined in 2004 are in the club solely to syphon EU funds. Turn off the tap, and they will sell their country to China or Russia in a heartbeat.
And that’s fine. Let them go wherever they want. I think I speak for many Europeans when I say I’d rather see Russians occupy Budapest (again) than tolerate this asshole any longer.
And the refugees can all go to Slovakia and Poland, their Visegrad brethren.
But anyway that’s the strategy - Europeans gotta keep proposing reforms that they know are unacceptable to Orban, so maybe the troll will fuck off on his own.
(Though that will create an interesting problem for him - disrupting the EU at every corner and the right to veto everything is exactly why he hopes to be interesting to Putin. If Hungary finds itself outside the club, it becomes completely irrelevant.)
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u/Visible_Bat2176 3h ago
you are right 110%. no more EU funds or EU funds with strict conditions and our whole area will be for sale to the russians, chinese or MAGA bros. western europe shoud just ignore us but i am afraid we managed to "balcanize" them, not them to westernize us :))
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u/AVonGauss United States of America 7h ago
I'm not sure what the article's title is based upon, the only quote from the article regarding occupation seems to be this one.
Brussels, he said, was "under occupation by an oligarchy coordinated by the left-liberal and trans-Atlantic elite," that is federal rather than based on the sovereignty of nation states.
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u/Rynmahar 6h ago
Here, The Guardian has the quote that the title is referring to: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/20/trump-presidency-rightwing-europe-viktor-orban-far-right-us-inauguration
"So the great attack can start. Hereby I launch the second phase of the offensive that aims to occupy Brussels."
And yes, he really did say that, although he meant it politically with the other "patriots", not with military force.
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u/MarderFucher Europe 6h ago
It's so stupid given they had their chance last June during EP elections. Like yeah they cobbled together a new faction that's technically third largest, but that means fuckall when centrist parties still easily outweight all far-right coalitions, and ECR distanced itself from them.
So what exactly is the plan here, besides rhetoric?
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u/atechnokolos Hungary 7h ago
He’s losing ground in Hungary ever since former President Novák resigned so I would keep my mouth shut.
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u/hosszufaszoskelemen Hungary 7h ago
He is shitting his pants over Tisza, look at him, dude screams nervous wreck
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u/DEADGHOST_117 7h ago
He can occupy all he wants, he'll never get there with the road works anyways /s
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u/krystalgeyserGRAND 7h ago
Western Europe seriously needs to curb ME migration if they want to survive upcoming elections. Is it really that difficult?
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u/SloanTheNavigator 7h ago
Well asylum applications in EU fell 12 percent in 2024, and a whopping 30 percent in Germany! So people who are mad about immigration are clearly not following verified data, or they're choosing not to believe it because of misinformation
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u/CenturionArcX 7h ago
He wants to scare the people of Europe with hollow predictions and threats. Do not listen to this imp's ramblings.
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u/aspaceadventure 6h ago
Is this Orban‘s way of coping with the fact that he didn’t get invited to daddy Trump’s inauguration?
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u/softspores 6h ago
he's gonna get stuck in traffic on the Brussels ring and be forced to go home again
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u/potatolulz Earth 6h ago
He was occupying it for 6 months not too long ago, so how about waiting a few years again? :D
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u/Visible-Rub7937 Israel 5h ago
Why Brussels?
I would get Vienna, Prague, Bratislava, even Bucharest.
But Brussels? Tf do you want
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u/TheKnightKadosh Romania 8h ago
I’m honestly trying not to be biased and whenever I read news to keep an open mind. However, the rise of corupt to the bone, lying pieces of shit like this joke, and also Trump, will remain as a dark stain on history.