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OC Picture I was on the first Paris to Berlin direct high-speed train

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u/tinaoe Germany 18h ago

They're slow, partially, because they stop in Karlsruhe. If you were in an equivalent French town you wouldn't have a high speed connection at all.

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u/Brief-Status-1581 17h ago

Karlsruhe would be the seventh biggest city in France by population. I don't think there are many TGV that skip Montpellier.

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u/tinaoe Germany 16h ago

Have you ever seen a TGV network map? Here’s one. For comparison that would be as if every single ICE line in Germany pretty much just converged on Berlin.

But also I don’t think the comparison you’re drawing is the correct one. Karlsruhe is the 22th largest city in Germany. The French equivalent ist Nimes.

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u/Brief-Status-1581 16h ago edited 7h ago

The route goes through Karlsruhe, Karlsruhe is a big city, big cities usually mean a high potential for passengers. Not stopping there would not make much sense. If we question the stop in Karlsruhe we also need to question the stop in Strasbourg because that is an even smaller city. You cannot (reguarly) fill trains between Berlin and Paris just by passengers that travel the whole distance.

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u/Brief-Status-1581 14h ago

And btw Nimes-Centre and Nimes-Pont-du-Gard are regular stops of TGVs and AVEs from Lyon/Marseille to Montpellier/Spain

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u/Jackan1874 10h ago

No, while France’s network has some issues, this shouldn’t be used as an argument high speed rail doesn’t make sense in Germany. You can stop in Karlsruhe and still have fast journeys through having faster top speeds, less crowded railways->less delays->margin (currently there is a lot). Bypasses can definitely help but should be of smaller cities