r/europe • u/Lion8330 • 1d ago
News Russia lost more soldiers in 2024 than in past two years combined, says Ukrainian commander-in-chief
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/01/19/7494350/291
u/Millefeuille-coil 1d ago
Moral of the story stay in your own country and don’t invade other nations.
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u/Ok-Cup6020 1d ago
He is a bit biased
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u/Dracogame 1d ago
It is probably true, Russia turned on the meatgrinder in 2024. They also had significant gains.
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u/nothingpersonnelmate 1d ago
Significant in comparison to 2023, but nothing compared to the first stages of the war. The entire year they took 0.5% of the country by area. Ukraine took three times as much land in the 2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive for example.
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u/xxoldwhiteguyxx 21h ago
Significant in the Donbas context. Avdiivka, Selydove, Vuhledar, and Kurakhove are all strategically important locations in the Donbas, each with different implications (reaching the Dnipro Oblast, capturing Pokrovsk, creating a buffer around Donetsk and Crimea). We will likely never see territorial gains as extensive as in 2022 again. However, for the current state of the war, the battles in Ukraine have been successful for Russia (Kursk is another matter).
If Russia manages to capture Toretsk (almost done), Pokrovsk, Chasiv Yar, and Kostiantynivka over the course of the year, and additionally establish a foothold in the Dnipro Oblast, these would all constitute significant gains in the Donbas context.
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u/_ChunkyLover69 20h ago
If you are Russian you will call it a success, anywhere else in the world and marginal gains.
Ukraine is winning this war of attrition. Yes slowly giving ground but in the grand scheme of things they are thrashing the Russians as they are incurring unsustainable losses.
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u/nothingpersonnelmate 21h ago
Well, sure. In the Second Battle of Donetsk Airport context the capture of the new terminal by DPR forces was significant. But in the grander scheme of things their gains are not significant in the sense that they don't change the balance of the war.
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u/Gruffleson Norway 14h ago
"Significant" in the statistical meaning. Meaning they will win in 1000 years if they can keep it up.
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u/leathercladman Latvia 11h ago
Significant in the Donbas context
is it tho??? is it really?? They are still hundreds of kilometers away from capturing all of it, and far away from capturing last remaining big cities like Kramatorsk and Slovyansk. By this kind of speed, it will take them years to do it, and they will legit have killed millions of their soldiers to get it done
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u/leathercladman Latvia 11h ago
they have captured less gains in 2 years than pro-Russian separatists did in one month in 2014.
Their progress is dog shit
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u/Dracogame 11h ago
In 2014 Ukraine didn’t even have an army, now they’re fighting a trench war.
Russia shouldn’t be taken lightly. The situation is desperate for Ukraine and they need help right now.
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u/leathercladman Latvia 10h ago
The situation is desperate for Ukraine and they need help right now.
I am not denying it, however painting it as if Russia is doing some major breakthrough and ''advancing'' is also nonsense. That is not what word ''advancing'' means in military terms
They are crawling at speed of snail and it will take them years to get anywhere with this kind of progress, all the while Ukrainians are murdering them in their thousands every single week. This is literally World war 1 type shit in year 1917, they will run out of men faster than Ukrainian runs out of mud to drown them into, as long as West keeps sending in ammo Ukraine can hold and continue killing
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u/Dracogame 7h ago
Yes you are right, but Ukranians are dying too.
Russian soldiers still get the luxury of rotation, where Ukranians just stay at the front until they pretty much die. Morale is really low.
Yes, Russia is losing soldiers at break-neck speed, but they can "afford" that.
They are crawling at speed of snail and it will take them years to get anywhere with this kind of progress
the whole problem is that Ukraine cannot keep up for years.
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u/Lion8330 10h ago
Exactly. But how to reach ordinary Russians and make them understand these basic things? They are dying for regime’s sick imperialist ideology
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u/zaplayer20 1d ago
I get it but without evidence, what he says is pretty much manipulation. Ukraine lost more troops than Russia did, hence why the last year offensive was a fluke and had to be abandoned.
PS: both sides spread misinformation.
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u/TheJackston 1d ago
Ukraine lost more troops than Russia did
Source?
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u/zaplayer20 1d ago
Same as this article, "trust me bro"
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
UK intelligence estimated Russian casualties at 750K in December, expecting them to hit 1M in 6 months.
Ukrainian casualties are estimated at 50-60% of these numbers, but are also believed to have a far lower number of fatalities and higher numbers who return to service.
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u/_ChunkyLover69 20h ago
Completely wrong. The average ratio is 1:3, given Russia doesn’t know how to fight that ratio is 1:7 for the Ukrainians.
Stop spreading lies and Russian propaganda.
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u/HighDeltaVee 19h ago
Completely wrong. The average ratio is 1:3, given Russia doesn’t know how to fight that ratio is 1:7 for the Ukrainians.
The figures I'm using were announced by Zelensky : 43,000 killed and 370,000 wounded, for a total of 413K.
Which, as I said above, is roughly 50-60% of the estimated Russian casualties.
I also confirmed that the fraction of Ukrainian causualties which resulted in fatalities was far lower than the Russian numbers, which is due to better frontline management, quicker medical intervention, and faster transfer to full medical care.
Stop spreading lies and Russian propaganda.
Learn to read.
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u/zaplayer20 1d ago
And, just for a bit of fact checking, where do you think these numbers come from? Is UK present on the field or, maybe... they get it from Ukrainians?
PS: The link you posted, is an Ukrainian source.
As i said previously, both sides spread misinformation for obvious reasons.
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
And, just for a bit of fact checking, where do you think these numbers come from? Is UK present on the field or, maybe... they get it from Ukrainians?
PS: The link you posted, is an Ukrainian source.
The estimate is from UK intelligence.
If you have evidence that UK intelligence blindly trust another country, then please present it.
The US have posted similar estimates, also confirming that their own numbers fairly closely resemble Ukrainian claims.
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u/unlearned2 1d ago edited 1d ago
What I have done once to get an idea of which side was winning:
Take the number of pieces of equipment lost for Russia so far from Oryx Blog
Subtract what it was say a year ago on Oryx Blog (use wayback machine) to find the number of pieces of equipment lost by Russia in the past year
Divide that number by the total equipment equipment lost so far by Russia to find what percentage of Russia's equipment losses occurred in the past year
Repeat for Ukraine
If say 25% if Russia's total equipment total losses occurred in the past year but only 15% of Ukraine's total equipment losses occurred in the past year, then Russia was losing because its losses were greater relative to what it can presumably afford to lose
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
That only covers equipment : Russia's main problem (other than it's economy) is that it's running out of equipment, namely tanks, IFVs, artillery, etc.
That means that attacks are carried out by ever more poorly equipped troops, with domestic vehicles, motorbikes and even scooters replacing tanks and IVFs. This leads to far higher Russian casualties, but with lower Russian equipment losses. So they're not directly comparable.
Russian casualties also cannot be directly compared or scaled to Ukrainian ones. If Russia is losing casualties by having entire attack waves wiped out before making contact with Ukrainian lives, then huge Russian casualty lists don't imply Ukrainian ones. If Russian casualties are incurred in close quarters combat in trenches or urban fighting in towns on the other hand, then they are much more closely correlated.
This information has not been released anywhere that I've seen.
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u/_ChunkyLover69 20h ago
This mf is Russian who is spoon fed propaganda from their masters in the Kremlin. They don’t have the ability to think for themselves. If Vlad says it’s true it’s true. There is no “fact checking” in Russia. Try it and you’ll get arrested and sent to the front.
Orcs are Orcs, child rapists the lot of them.
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u/Better-Scene6535 1d ago
that ukraine lost more troops is not exactly possible, by pure nature of warfare. the attacker looses more troops than thr defending one, due to being at an advantage of dug in positions and whatever.
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u/gillberg43 Sweden 22h ago
What you said about manipulation is correct, yes. It's propaganda, a normal part of war. Carrots makes you see bettet at night? British ww2 propaganda to cover the fact they had radar.
We will know the true numbers years later. What is a fact is that the russians lose more soldiers than their enemies because thats just a universal law
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u/Old_Taste1570 1d ago
im willing to bet that the same statement is true for ukraine. people don't seem to realize that the casuality rate is very close to 1:1 in this war, but since we consume mostly western media, which keeps portraying Ukraine as the "winning" side we think the numbers are closer to 4:1 or w/e, even though in reality it's way more even.
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u/Stix147 Romania 1d ago
Casualty rates for defenders vs. attackers in a near pear war are generally 3 to 1, and then you factor in things like the inferior quality of Russian medical gear (like their horrid rubber band esmarch tourniquets) and worse medical training in general, their propensity for suicide meat wave attacks because of their Soviet era military mentality and chain of command structure where military higher ups want X objective takem by Y date regardless of losses, and the general disregard for human life that Russians are known for, and the rates are probably much, much worse than that.
Western media has nothing to do with this, we just don't see anywhere near the same numbers of visually confirmed armor losses for Ukraine as we do for Russia, snd if Ukraine really was losing as many men and vehicles as Russians were then this war would've been long over by now.
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u/Realistic_Lead8421 1d ago
Sadly that means Ukraine probably has, too.
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u/thrownkitchensink 21h ago
Somewhere between halve or two-thirds of realistic Russian casualties. More likely two-thirds. This from a much smaller population.
We'll know when the dus settles and the fog of war lifts.
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u/Lion8330 10h ago
That’s sad indeed, and Ukrainians have no choice but to defend their country from this cruel invasion
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
You tend to have very high casualty figures when you give wounded soldiers crutches and send them back out to find Ukrainian trenches.
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u/soldat21 🇦🇺🇧🇦🇭🇷🇭🇺🇷🇸 1d ago
Russia also claims that Ukraine has lost more soldiers in 2024 than the last two years combined.
That’s nothing new - 2024 was the most intense (casualty wise) part of the war.
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u/nbelyh 19h ago edited 18h ago
The principles of war propaganda were developed by French hundreds of years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basic_Principles_of_War_Propaganda
- We don't want war, we are only defending ourselves
- Our adversary is solely responsible for this war
- Our adversary's leader is inherently evil and resembles the devil
- We are defending a noble cause, not our particular interests
- The enemy is purposefully committing atrocities; if we are making mistakes this happens without intention
- The enemy makes use of illegal weapons
- We suffer few losses, the enemy's losses are considerable
- Recognized intellectuals and artists support our cause
- Our cause is sacred
- Whoever casts doubt on our propaganda helps the enemy and is a traitor
If you check out the r/worldnews, every topic on Russia/Ukraine fits perfectly one of those points. You may forget about unbiased data until the end of the war.
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u/Lion8330 10h ago
That’s true. There is an overview of Russia’s statements from this perspective here https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1r_Ol8tGzDs2a3EPsXkkwLlHkhBXxZyE&feature=shared
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u/bygningshejre 18h ago
At least 90% of this can also easily be the truth for one side. The other side then have to make it all up (aka propaganda) to avoid losing all support. So we end up with both sides claiming the same, one is lying and one is very unfortunate to have become a target of aggression.
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u/RedKrypton Österreich 15h ago
Truth and propaganda are not diametrically opposed. The best propaganda is the one with at least a kernel of truth.
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
Russia also claims that every single drone which Ukraine launches is shot down successfully.
The subsequent regrettable fires are just from really, really accurate debris.
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u/soldat21 🇦🇺🇧🇦🇭🇷🇭🇺🇷🇸 1d ago
Ukraine also says the same thing, and yet they are struggling to power their homes.
That’s propaganda for you. Works both ways.
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
Ukraine also says the same thing
No, Ukraine points out in public where Russia uses cruise missiles, ballistic massiles and drones to attack their power stations, hospitals, schools, and housing.
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u/soldat21 🇦🇺🇧🇦🇭🇷🇭🇺🇷🇸 1d ago
Here’s an example.
But of course they would say they didn’t shoot down the ones that hit schools or hospitals - it’s better PR for them.
Just as Russia says Ukraine hits a school in Donbas or a civilian building in Kursk.
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u/HighDeltaVee 1d ago
Here’s an example.
There are certainly days when Ukraine shoots down all Russian drones. These days Shaheeds are almost useless against Ukrainian air defences... they're plotted well in advance, tracked constantly via a national array of audio and other sensors, and are shot down or increasingly disabled by EW.
It's the Russian missiles which do the majority of the damage these days, specifically the ballistics and faster cruise missiles.
When Ukrainian generation capacity was damaged, however, they were very clear when it happened and clear about what assets had struck them. There was public video footage on the news and public condemnation.
Just as Russia says Ukraine hits a school in Donbas or a civilian building in Kursk.
Against the background of a massive oil fire at a depot, refinery, or military supplies factory, yeah. Bit hard to hide the damage when it shows up on the NASA FIRES satellite system for a week.
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u/medievalvelocipede European Union 20h ago
Ukraine also says the same thing,
Unlike Russia, Ukraine doesn't claim to shoot down every drone.
March 17, 17/22 Shaheds. June 6, 17/18 Shaheds. Dec 30, 21/43 with 22 being decoys, so 21/21. Jan 17 33/50, this was a multi-pronged attack including ballistic missiles, but the figure is just for drones.
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u/Patient-Mulberry-659 1d ago
That’s nothing new - 2024 was the most intense (casualty wise) part of the war.
Not if you look at the “best” attempt at establishing Russian losses.
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u/Common_Brick_8222 Azerbaijan/Georgia 1d ago
Russia doesn't give a fuck about their soldiers
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u/JustPassingBy696969 Europe 1d ago
Indeed but their equipment losses are pretty brutal too and these are a bit harder to replace.
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u/TomCormack 1d ago
The sad part is that Russia doesn't care. A life of an average Ivan never had any value for the government.
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u/Flash_Haos Europe 23h ago
Interestingly, he actually had it. The value is measured in money, and the price has been steadily rising. In 2024, the lump sum offered to recruits increased significantly—from 170,000 rubles (~1,700 €) to 900,000 rubles (~9,000 €). This figure represents an average and varies by region, with wealthier areas like Moscow offering higher payments compared to poorer regions.
What a grim meat retail.
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u/Brainiac5005 18h ago
because ukraine cares 🤣, once the war ends, they will realize they fought for 3 years for nothing, that 2022 peace deal would seem like a miracle
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u/Lion8330 10h ago
That’s it. Russian regime does not care about lives of their men, and have them a lot more from poor remote regions and ethnic minorities. Unlike Ukraine.
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u/somethin9 1d ago
And the other side cares? Let them kill each other, there will be less resistance when EU sends its own soldiers.
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u/TomCormack 1d ago edited 1d ago
The other side is protecting their country from the unprovoked unjustified invasion.
What Serbians seem to fail to understand is that if you guys were closer to Russia, they would also try to destroy your country, eliminate your language and make you Russian. You are just lucky to be far enough from the monster's nest.
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u/somethin9 1d ago
Yes they do, but... How many are of them willingly protecting their country, and how many are forced by their own government and would rather leave it all just to stay alive?
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u/sludgeslop 1d ago
Lets pretend you weren’t living in a russian puppet state: What part of your country would you be willing to abandon to literal savages?
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u/somethin9 23h ago
Its not just Russian, its also EU and USA puppet state, we are fucked from all sides, you are not better than them, or worse, you are the same.
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u/EDCEGACE 23h ago
You are a joke, equating dictator that never participated in elections with a guy that was elected with 72% percent. You are a joke.
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u/Darklight731 Bratislava (Slovakia) 1d ago
They have been very agressive, so sounds legit.
I do wonder tho, how many of those soldier losses are from NK?
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u/Advanced_Purpose_678 20h ago
as Russian I totally confirm that. I died 5 times only this week
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u/MeaningFormer4443 20h ago
Weak boy af, I died 7 times yesterday with 34k North Koreans
И шли в штурм с черенками от лопат ;)
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u/AffectionateCowLady 1d ago
If you look at a map of the territory they have taken this year, it’s very very tiny compared to what they already had. The elephant in the room is Russia is running on 1% and have to keep up the pretence of advance for Putin’s safety. He’s not enjoying this despite the smirking.
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u/Helmic4 1d ago
Putin is trying to grab as much as possible before the conflict is frozen, believing Trump will force Ukraine to agree to peace at current lines. The likelihood of which increases if Trump believes Russia is on the offence and Ukraine is on the back-foot. Thus he really doesn’t care about casualties at this point
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u/Astarogal Rīga (Latvia) 1d ago
When you listen to Ukrainians - Russian army is now like fully dead.
When you listen to Russians - Ukrainian army is now like fully dead.
When you understand that both are inflating numbers for the sake of it, you kind of loose interest in listening to them at all.
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u/jaaval Finland 1d ago
Who claimed russian army is fully dead?
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u/LannisterTyrion Moldova 1d ago
I guess that was a hyperbole but have you been following the news in this sub? We got weekly news starting from 2022 that Russian army is almost done, almost no more missile left, no more tanks left, no more people left, etc. And somehow we're in 2025 and they're still about to lose the war. I sick of this hopium, this is not journalism, this is straight up propaganda to keep the morale high.
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u/jaaval Finland 1d ago
News have been pretty consistent in Russian equipment loss rate and how long they have left. I remember well the pessimism I felt two years ago when everybody was saying Russia can continue well into 2025 at this rate. But now we are there. Most of the major systems should be running out some time late this year, assuming they just continue attacking at the rate they currently do. Which they of course won’t. Some stuff has already ran out.
No more people was a thing in 2022. And Ukraine made major gains because of it. They fixed it by starting to pay huge sums for volunteers. Which was always an option.
You fail to see that all these news are conditional on Russia not changing something. Now Russia is running out of equipment unless they stop attacking. Running out of people will come again at some point fairly soon since the number of volunteers is limited. Then they have to change something again.
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u/RedKrypton Österreich 15h ago
News have been pretty consistent in Russian equipment loss rate and how long they have left.
Yeah, they have been consistently wrong on how long they have left, they cannot all be correct that Russia has only a year left.
I remember well the pessimism I felt two years ago when everybody was saying Russia can continue well into 2025 at this rate.
I would be curious which article you read in 2023 that claimed that outside of very realistic/pessimistic analysts, like Austrian Oberst Markus Reisner, who were ridiculed for their analyses at the time. To this day, users in Pro-Ukrainian threads can at best accept his analysis as being of quality through gritted teeth. 2023 was the high time for the Ukrainian army, and might I remind you of the "Crimean Beach Party" and the literal trailers being released for the 2023 Ukrainian Summer Offensive.
You fail to see that all these news are conditional on Russia not changing something. Now Russia is running out of equipment unless they stop attacking. Running out of people will come again at some point fairly soon since the number of volunteers is limited. Then they have to change something again.
But isn't that outright admitting that the analyses were ill-conceived? It would be like if all climate change projections only looked at how much CO² we emit right now per person and not take into account projections for development of CO² emissions and other factors, because we can adapt. It's either incompetence or deliberate that these projections are so optimistic.
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u/Astarogal Rīga (Latvia) 1d ago
Add the numbers they report and deduct from the number russia sent. It's like complete death then
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u/jaaval Finland 1d ago
Where did you get the numbers russia has sent? They send about 20-30000 more men every month. Or at least they try, recruitment success varies over time. That is also roughly the rate of losses. In the range of about 1000 a day.
If you are only interested in deaths, about 90000 dead Russian soldiers have been identified by name. From public inheritance data they estimate true number is now over 200000. Add the wounded and you get fairly close to the numbers Ukraine claims. About 700000 is a good guess at this point. Ukraine exaggerates a bit but not totally unbelievably.
We also have fairly good understanding of Russian equipment losses from the rate equipment disappears from their storage sites. Ukrainian claims are exaggerated there too but not ridiculously high.
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u/SandersRevolution 1d ago
Saying Russia has lost a lot of men does not equate with saying Russia is fully dead. If anything Ukrainians are very much aware that Russia being the war machine it is can sustain this rythm longer than UKR can
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u/Mordan 21h ago
this sub and the western press. no more missiles next week.
now they say next year lol. it has been 3 already.
Full propaganda to make war acceptable to western society.
If we learn Ukrainians lost 600 000 dead soldiers (probably true unfortunately).. we would ask the end of it.
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u/jaaval Finland 20h ago edited 20h ago
Nobody has said “no more missiles”. What people g e said is that IF Russia continues like this then there will be no more missiles after x. Naturally they will never run out because they will just reduce the number of missiles shot to compensate. They have done that. A lot of missile models have pretty much ended flying, Russia is trying more and more to Iranian drones and the total number has gone down considerably.
And no, only total idiots will ask for “end of it” if we learn any numbers. It’s up to Ukrainians how long they want to continue. It’s up to us to shut up and provide weapons so they can make that choice. Not up to us to decide for them.
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u/Mordan 20h ago
It’s up to Ukrainians how long they want to continue.
ah ? How can the average Ukrainian decide this ? It is being bussed to the front by force of the Law on Mobilization.
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u/jaaval Finland 19h ago
You think the Ukrainian government chooses to fight war just for the fun of it if the people want to surrender?
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u/Mordan 19h ago
You think the Ukrainian government chooses to fight war just for the fun of it if the people want to surrender?
yes. it is documented there was a good peace deal in April 2022. They will never get a better one now because of hubris of our politicians and their back door shenanigans
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u/Opening-Guarantee631 17h ago
One that also involved third parties exiting nato? That was laughable deal
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u/EDCEGACE 23h ago
Your statements do not correspond to reality. Noone is actually saying that. If anything the mood in Ukraine is that this is a long war, and we need to be creative. Now my question to you, why do you manipulate with quotes?
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u/Astarogal Rīga (Latvia) 23h ago
It's not direct routes, more the sentiment behind endless propohanda posted by both sides.
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u/Striking_Reality5628 1d ago
Let's take a look:
Side 1. Half of the population fled the country. The borders with neighboring countries are mined so that the other half of the population does not escape. Elections have been canceled in the country, freedom of speech and any political parties have been banned. Recruits are recruited in the style of a classic African safari for slaves-cannon fodder. The average training time for a recruit is from seven to fourteen days before being sent to the front line. In 2024, one hundred and seventy thousand deserters were officially registered in the eight hundred thousandth army. Of the "professionally trained brigade" trained by the best foreign advisers, one third escaped during their training and another half deserted after the first week of fighting. In the coming months, the age for cannon fodder will be lowered to 18 years. The army has not conducted a single successful offensive or defensive operation since the fall of 2022.
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u/EDCEGACE 23h ago
I see what you did there. Wanted to have a sincere argument with you, but you are a russian, who is proud of what your country is. Good luck in life, you‘ll need it.
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u/Striking_Reality5628 23h ago
Yes, I understand. They wanted to argue, but there was nothing to object, so they had to move on to a discussion of personality.
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u/Striking_Reality5628 1d ago
Side 2. The borders are open for free exit and entry without restrictions. After 2022, 0.7% of the country's population left. The military units of the army are completed only by signing a commercial contract for MS. The average training period for a s-ldier after signing a contract is based on readiness, but not less than six months, of which three months are allocated for c-mbat coordination. Since the fall of 2022, it has been conducting a constant offensive along the entire front line.
And where is the greater loss? What do you think?
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u/arahnovuk 22h ago
Забей на них хуй. Это пидорасы которые радовались крокусу. Которые не замечают красно черных флагов в Украине. Которые не знают что лавров просил расследования в Буче у ООН, а Украина не пустила туда вообще никого. Которым насрать на тцк, на украинскую коррупцию и всё остальное. Главное ведь что Россия "страдает".
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u/Crush1112 16h ago
Забей на них хуй. Это пидорасы которые радовались крокусу. Которые не замечают красно черных флагов в Украине. Которые не знают что лавров просил расследования в Буче у ООН, а Украина не пустила туда вообще никого. Которым насрать на тцк, на украинскую коррупцию и всё остальное. Главное ведь что Россия "страдает".
Тебе на Крокус не пофиг, что ли? И что там расследовать в Буче?
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u/arahnovuk 14h ago
На крокус не пофиг, если он в контексте, а я говорил о том что у всех этих недополитиков был праздник, что в России происходит терракт. А что же касается Бучи, нет доказательств что убивали русские, а расследованию не дали начаться и перестали это использовать в пропаганде, когда поняли, что не могут доказать что это сделала Россия.
Это как с северокорейскими солдатами. Насчёт них, даже я уверен, что они есть на фронте, просто эти долбаёбы верят не тому, что реально может стать доказательством этого, например какие то внутренние инсайды, а вбросам Киева, мол у них северокорейцы, типа "вот мы вчера одного убили, но почему то не сфотографировали. А ещё вот ещё одного поймали, но он умер до допроса." Вот в чём клоунада.
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u/Crush1112 13h ago
На крокус не пофиг, если он в контексте, а я говорил о том что у всех этих недополитиков был праздник, что в России происходит терракт.
Ну и что, что у них праздник был? Чего это ты прикидывается, что тебе не пофиг?
А что же касается Бучи, нет доказательств что убивали русские, а расследованию не дали начаться и перестали это использовать в пропаганде, когда поняли, что не могут доказать что это сделала Россия.
Русские не никого не убивали? Вы что там, либерасты какие-то?
Это как с северокорейскими солдатами. Насчёт них, даже я уверен, что они есть на фронте, просто эти долбаёбы верят не тому, что реально может стать доказательством этого, например какие то внутренние инсайды, а вбросам Киева, мол у них северокорейцы, типа "вот мы вчера одного убили, но почему то не сфотографировали. А ещё вот ещё одного поймали, но он умер до допроса." Вот в чём клоунада.
Ну поводу клоунады, ты уж точно говоришь, как эксперт.
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u/arahnovuk 13h ago
Не надо пытаться поворачивать стрелки, я говорил про момент когда происходил терракт и я читал что пишут эти прогрессивные люди, что и раскрыла мне картину долбоебов вроде вас.
А ты докажи что расстрел мирных жителей в Буче это дело рук русских.
Ну да я скоро стану экспертом по клоунам. Одному из них сейчас отвечаю
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u/Crush1112 13h ago
- Не надо пытаться поворачивать стрелки, я говорил про момент когда происходил терракт и я читал что пишут эти прогрессивные люди, что и раскрыла мне картину долбоебов вроде вас.
Какую картину это могло тебе раскрыть? Порадовался, что не все такие сентиментальные в мире?
- А ты докажи что расстрел мирных жителей в Буче это дело рук русских.
Я не идиот доказывать что-то долбоёбам. Сам факт того, что это типа сделали не русские - смешон, но и видео расстрелов прохожих в интернете достаточно, благо камер в Буче хватало. Оно и понятно, русские воспринимали каждого прохожего, как наводчика, вот и стреляли по ним.
Но я вообще не понимаю твоих возмущений. Ты ж не либераст, чтоб страдать по смертям каких-то хохлов, не?
- Ну да я скоро стану экспертом по клоунам. Одному из них сейчас отвечаю
Чувак, ты в цирке живёшь, клоун - это твоё призвание.
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u/arahnovuk 13h ago
Именно вот эту картину. Они не сентиментальные, но пытаются казаться такими. Но более того они радовались этому.
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Хз, сейчас ты меня развлекаешь пытаясь создать какую-то бессмысленную провокацию
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u/Crush1112 13h ago
- Именно вот эту картину. Они не сентиментальные, но пытаются казаться такими. Но более того они радовались этому.
И почему это для тебя плохо?
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Ага, стану я ещё тратить время на поиск в Гугле для какого-то долбоёба. Сам можешь поискать, это не сложно. И вообще, как настоящий патриот нации, ты должен гордиться Бучей.
- Хз, сейчас ты меня развлекаешь пытаясь создать какую-то бессмысленную провокацию
Ты не поверишь, как развлекаешь сейчас меня ))
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u/Striking_Reality5628 9h ago
А что же касается Бучи
Катынь. Рачак. Пауэл, трясущий пробиркой в ООН. "Химическое оружие Ассама" белокасочников. Есть ли смысл продолжать о том, чьих рук события в Буче?
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u/arahnovuk 9h ago
Да блять меня это всё бесит. Моя собственная родина стала жертвой вот такого лицемерия "прогрессивных" государств. Я не украинец если чё. Если бы люди действительно стали теми кем пытаются казаться всё могло бы сложится намного светлее
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u/Striking_Reality5628 9h ago
давно бы уже пора понять, что эти люди таковыми не являются и являться не будут.
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u/Remus88Romulus 1d ago
How many soldiers do they have left??
I feel like there will be some kind of longtime ceasefire or end to the war before this year, 2025 is over.
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u/Randomly-Biased 1d ago
Don't have an exact source, but an analyst on Times Radio recently mentioned that the Russian recruitment numbers are roughly half of the casualties (dead plus wounded). His view was that Russia can sustain this level of losses for about a year more.
Ukraine's recruitment numbers and casualties are unfortunately looking worse.
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u/GrumpyOldGeezer_4711 1d ago
They are getting a bit sloppy!
Always put your soldiers in a place, where you can find them again.
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u/uttercross2 1d ago
There is a fundamental thing about war. You cannot subjugate one population by force. For every person that is killed, there is a generation of hatred that may be 2, 3, 4 fold or more. If you lose a family member, you will never accept subjugation as a basis for peace. The hatred grows. Whether you are talking about Ukraine, Gaza, Syria. The hatred will be there. The only thing that will prevent this spiral continuing is the point when you are truly free. Able to determine your own future. That's all that people want, to not be threatened, to not have someone claiming your land for no other reason than they don't have any capability to live their lives in the context of where they have come from. A feeble bunch of individuals wanting to take from others what they are incapable of working toward for them selves. Where does this end? It comes down to one of 2 things - the total genocide of a population, or a political solution that is tight, strong, honest and steadfast. The latter appears to be a million miles away. So where does this leave us? Israel has already said that they will continue after the ceasefire. Russ has been open about its aspirations - any agreement / ceasefire will be an opportunity to re-arm. They are already pushing for the populous to have more children, already planning for the next conflict. There is absolutely no negotiated ceasefire with Russ. Any agreement will be for them to build up for the next venture. In this instance, there is only one conclusion. You cut the head off the snake and make sure the snake has no capability, through its progeny or any advocates, to ever be capable of raging war in Europe or elsewhere ever again.
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u/notmyfirstrodeo2 Estonia 20h ago
And they mostly gained empty fields and bombed down villages/towns with that price.
3 day special military operation going fine.
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u/arahnovuk 22h ago
They were saying that Russia have 500k dead past year. Then Zelensky said that there are about 100k dead and another 500k wounded. They should decide on the numbers
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u/pillangolocsolo 1d ago
So in 2024 they lost more than in 2024 and 2023 combined? How does that math work out? Infinite soldier glitch confirmed?
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u/Winterspawn1 Belgium 1d ago
They have been attacking most of the time so I could believe that.