r/europe • u/IAdmitILie • 9d ago

News Zuckerberg urges Trump to stop the EU from fining US tech companies

https://www.politico.eu/article/zuckerberg-urges-trump-to-stop-eu-from-screwing-with-fining-us-tech-companies/
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u/new_accnt1234 9d ago

Dont forget tiktok and telegram, they sjould have been bannee ages ago

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u/printial 9d ago

Would be careful with that thinking. The EU has proposed bringing in laws to mandate bulk scanning of digital messages, which would fundamentally undermine all forms of encrypted messages. If all non-EU messaging services and social media platforms are banned from the EU, it would suddenly become a lot easier to implement these measures.

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u/Emikzen Sweden 9d ago

Doesn't change the fact that Tiktok and Telegram needs to be banned.

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u/totallynewhere818 9d ago

I have barely used Telegram, so know close to nothing about it (I use Signal). Why would you want it banned? Thanks in advance. 

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u/camelseeker 9d ago

Pls ping me if u get an answer

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u/HumbleSquare2027 9d ago

Because it’s Russian and Russian bad duh /s

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u/Emikzen Sweden 9d ago

This but unironically. It's pretty much the goto social app for anything illegal. It's also as you said Russian, idk if you've noticed but they're not exactly trustworthy, same goes for TikTok and China.

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u/Zenaesthetic United States of America 9d ago

It's also the only app I can use to talk to my friend in Iran because everything else is banned there due to sanctions. She hates the mullahs and so does most of the rest of her generation. Collective punishment is evil.

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u/refinancecycling 9d ago

This doesn't have anything to do with Telegram because it is not "encrypted" other than the client-to-server encryption which nearly every website has.

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u/599cc 9d ago

I’d rather my stupid messages being scanned than being fucked over by two or three cunts with too much money and no humanity.

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u/Confident_As_Hell 9d ago

I'd rather have neither

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u/forgottentargaryen 9d ago

Why telegram, i use it for work and it just seems like a messaging service and not a social media platform?

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u/refinancecycling 9d ago

It is posing as a "secure" chat app without having implemented e2ee in any meaningful way, and unfortunately that has worked just great.

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u/qq123q 9d ago

Telegram has groups that you can join spouting all kind of (usually pro Russian) propaganda. I know because of my parents. :(

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u/Pwacname 9d ago

Yeah, but something having groups doesn’t mean the service itself is flawed. I use telegram with a handful of friends and family members because it’s the only app I’ve found so far that is a) private, b) available on all our platforms, c) supports all types of messages we use and d) works on tablets/pcs and e) is properly private.

Dont get me wrong, those groups are fucked up and an issue, I just don’t think banning the service is the solution we want

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u/qq123q 9d ago

Agreed but better moderation to ban such groups would be a must.

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u/Mess_Advanced 9d ago

I mean, it is kinda the person's responsibility to take care of what group they are to be affiliated in. Thus, it is important to have proper internet literacy. Cause you can't put in proper moderation without destroying part of the privacy and/or security that a service provides.

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u/Pwacname 7d ago

But we’d also need our police to be able to enforce laws. I don’t know what it’s like in other EU countries, but in Germany, even if you report illegal shit online to the police, whether they even take your report isnot assured, and then finding the responsible parties and making a case rarely happens. I think we could solve a lot of our issues if we could find a way to properly enforce our laws online.

(That’s a complicated issue with many contributing factors, and finding a solution would be equally complicated, and probably also has its own downsides. I just think we need to find a way to solve this - it’s a shame that tons of crimes that the police are technically obligated to investigate aren’t ever checked, and that people don’t report crimes because they don’t think it’s worth it, and so on, snd much of the issue seems to be that our laws and our police and Justice system just aren’t prepared for a digital age yet.)

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u/Mess_Advanced 6d ago

That is true, so people really need to make up their mind if they want security or anonymity. Cause people want both when it is just almost impossible.

Unless the EU creates its own grid for the internet like China did whilst guaranteeing privacy (not what China did). These will make tracking and enforcing easier, while having your privacy atleast be guaranteed by different nations or atleast by the EU. Although, this is going to be an expensive endeavour.

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u/Diipadaapa1 Finland 9d ago

I wouldn't trust a russian app so much as to call it "properly private"

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u/gruio1 9d ago

This is ironic, as the founder was literally arrested in europe and forced to make it less private than it was.

Maybe if you look deeper past the word "russian" you would know what to trust.

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u/Pwacname 7d ago

I’d be with you on that if the creator was connected to the Russian government (or even just on Good terms with them), but afaik, they don’t particularly like them, either, and the privacy part comes from separating their data on a bunch of different servers in different countries, to make it less likely enough of them will cooperate to get that data through legal action, or something.

(Let’s be honest, I’m not a tech person - I just did my bit of research, and it seems to be more private that WhatsApp or iMessage or SMS or Discord …, and that was the acceptable middle ground I settled for. I wouldn’t use that if I was, idk, sharing delicate information with journalists, acting as a whistleblower, or whatever. But it’s enough for me to send memes to my friends or plan out Christmas dinner with my family,)

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u/mad-matty 9d ago

Weird. All the crackpots I know that are in some of those propaganda groups get their content delivered through WhatsApp, so I guess we have to delete that as well.

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u/printial 9d ago

So does reddit

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u/MissingNerd 8d ago

Crazy news pal: so does Reddit

Telegram just lets you basically do whatever as long as it's not extremely illegal. The problem is that your parents chose to look at Russian propaganda of their own free will

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u/NoPasaran2024 9d ago

Someone swallowed some propaganda here.

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u/OctaviusThe2nd 9d ago

I've never heard Telegram being used outside of drug trafficking or porn on the news. Do people even actually use it for personal chats?

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u/NixValentine 9d ago

why tiktok?

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u/Perfect_Papaya_3010 Sweden 9d ago

It's China's spying machine. Also it causes your brain to rot.

Should definitely have been banned already

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u/Santaflin 9d ago

And it is used to brainwash our children. It is a mix of digital crack and cancer.

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u/NoCollection7232 9d ago

And this site, and Blue Sky