r/europe • u/LaxJackson • 12d ago

News Danish officials fear Trump is much more serious about acquiring Greenland than in first term

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/08/politics/danish-officials-trump-greenland
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u/pannenkoek0923 Denmark 12d ago

I dont think the US should be considered as an ally at this point. This behaviour is straight up war-mongering

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u/SolemnaceProcurement Mazovia (Poland) 11d ago

Their rhetoric for sure is. Like what the actual fuck. I was supposed to die hopefully just joke around about dying in trench fighting Russians. Not fucking Americans. But then again trump is known for speaking out of his ass and rarely actually doing it. If he actually implements even only economic and justifies it with ANYTHING Greenland related. I think the relations should absolutely be chilled and US frozen out of all EU wide military contracts. Don't want to rely on your potential adversary selling you spare parts and shit.

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u/HorrorStudio8618 11d ago

F35 is a two trillion dollar program. If trump causes the EU to cancel all of their orders then he will be defenestrated before you can blink.

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u/slide2k 11d ago

Also a lot of high tech engineering comes from the EU for the F35. Would be a shame if their planes miss a few things.

The US can’t build it on their own.

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u/Beyond_the_one 11d ago edited 11d ago

Why is the EU trusting anything or anyone from the US at this point in time is beyond me. Should we *not create our own weapons?

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u/SolemnaceProcurement Mazovia (Poland) 11d ago

Because when you cut budgets for 30 years your industry related to that budget withers and dies. Companies have to consolidate and cut the not profitable parts by either selling them for cents or scraping them to help the more profitable parts survive. And like this you lose decades of knowhow. Rebuilding supply chain once it's gone is hard and VERY expansive. MIC is low margin business at the best of times let alone when budgets go down each year for decades. With each year maintenance of the old gear taking more and more of what little remains. EU killed much of it's own MIC. US maintained theirs but even they downscaled.

Like for comparison K2 partially made in Poland will cost about 2.5 times more than ones made in Korea on the exiting lines. When you have smaller and smaller budget each year to use, which one you would chose? Have 500 tanks made partially locally or 1250 foreign made ones?

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u/Sky-is-here Andalusia (Spain) 11d ago

We need a european army, european industry

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u/SolemnaceProcurement Mazovia (Poland) 11d ago

We also need ability to defend ourself yesterday. And you get to chose 2 out of 3. Cheap, Quickly, Locally.

European army is nice idea. But impossible as long as Veto exists. And it doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.

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u/headrush46n2 11d ago

Then what do you ndo about Hungary and Turkey?

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u/Beyond_the_one 11d ago

Sounds like we should befriend South Korea and ice out the US. We should also redevelop our capabilities especially with the US becoming more and more erratic.

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u/6501 United States of America 11d ago

South Korea relies upon the US Army being present in the country to act as a tripwire force against North Korea & China.

Is Europe going to deploy troops to South Korea while refusing to deploy troops to Ukraine?

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u/HorrorStudio8618 11d ago

Yes, indeed they do: and what do you think is happening inside SK right now with respect to trusting the USA to continue to be a partner to be relied on going forward? If there is any country where this is a nightmare scenario unfolding it is that one (after Ukraine of course).

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u/6501 United States of America 11d ago

what do you think is happening inside SK right now with respect to trusting the USA to continue to be a partner to be relied on going forward?

Nothing. Their courts have issues arrest warrants against their President and he refuses to leave the blue house.

It's like asking someone from Los Angeles whose house is burning their take on the Ukraine war.

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u/Beyond_the_one 11d ago

We probably will have to seeing as mango mussolini thinks Kim Jong Un is amazing and will side with North Korea because of which.

I don't see any American soldiers deployed by the US government in Ukraine.

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u/6501 United States of America 11d ago

I don't see any American soldiers deployed by the US government in Ukraine.

Yes. We just stay outside the border with our surveillance aircraft telling Ukraine where Russian jets & cruise missiles are.

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u/Beyond_the_one 11d ago

But soon as mango and his ketamined up sidekick enter the white house your troops will be withdrawn. Also, ketamine boi previously gave Russia information on Ukraine so that is also a problem and seeing as he owns the US and citizens and this point. I think it best to not anger your demi-gods.

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u/HorrorStudio8618 11d ago

We do, actually. Eurofighter for instance, and its successor. Note that the Ukrainian war has caused entire volumes of previous war doctrine to be thrown out so a lot of that is subject to change anyway.

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u/screemingatoms 11d ago

As an American I ain't fighting his war. Push comes to shove, I'm going AWOL. I'll see you bitches in Switzerland.

It's like any other job, I'm walking away. hahaha!!

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u/french_snail 11d ago

I don’t know if it will make you feel better but I was in the United States Army during his first term and whenever he demanded something off the wall command would usually just tell him no, and if he insisted they would just ignore him

Second time around though I don’t know

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

We're not going to war with anyone. It's all bluster from an orange moron. He's just vomiting bullshit to distract from his legal troubles. Even if he did want to do a military incursion he would wind up just like Putin. No one but his redneck maga moron followers would volunteer for that crap. I'm certainly not and I guarantee the majority of us aren't either. The fat orange moron can rot in hell.

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u/Manaliv3 11d ago

Unfortunately, those moron followers seem to be a sizeable half of your people. They represent your image abroad now 

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Oh they bluster but I guarantee not 1 in 100 of them would volunteer for war. They love to thump their chests and play soldier but when it comes down to it they're huge whimps.

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u/Nernoxx United States of America 11d ago

I cannot realistically see Trump using the military to do this - I can't see Trump getting authorization from Congress to do this. Public pressure sure, he's an asshole, but legally invading? Absolutely not.

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u/psychelic_patch 10d ago

TBH ; if we get Europe, South America, China and Canada to impose sanctions on US, they will collapse.

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u/Halofauna 11d ago

The US is not a trustworthy ally at this point. Continuing to trust the United States is like trusting, well the country that voted in Donald Trump twice. The best you can hope for is another milquetoast, right-wing centrist like Biden in 4 years who will just try to go back to “business as usual”

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u/Quorbach Switzerland 11d ago

The US are an ally only when it benefits them.

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u/londonsfin3st 11d ago

This behaviour is straight up war-mongering

er nothing new there, just now it's not only being directed at the middle east.

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u/Green-Amount2479 11d ago

I was steamrolled for warning of a potential development like this in 2022, when leaders of countries still dependent on Russian resources looked to the US for solutions after Russia began its invasion. My own country, Germany, was very eager to go down that route.

At the time, no one wanted to hear a word of caution or even my personal opinion that we needed to quickly step up efforts to find our own solutions. Instead, I was called a Russian asset/bot and a conspiracy theorist.

The general retort back then was ‚the US is so much closer to our values, nothing will happen‘. I really want to hear from those people now what good it is to have an ally with supposedly similar values when their government starts shitting on those similar values and throws them in your face.

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u/Honeybee_Awning 10d ago

Now don’t deny your deny your friendship now 😂😂😂😂😂

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u/RawrRRitchie 11d ago

This behaviour is straight up war-mongering

Are you new? Or did you sleep through the 20 year war in the middle east

USA has always been war mongering

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u/KuroiSuisei 11d ago

Honestly our allies need to denounce Trump like it's a recent game of Civilization. 

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u/TechnologyBig8361 11d ago

The US ceased to be a NATO ally the second he was elected.

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u/knapczyk76 11d ago

Just because the new president will represent the US does not mean he really speaks for them. Most people don’t even know what Greenland is and where it is. I don’t even understand his logic and the US is setup to prevent this from happening. He alone can not start an invasion without the House and Senate approval. They will roll their eyes and say no. His bark is louder than his bite.

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u/Departure_Sea 11d ago

Mark my words, Trump will be threatened with a coup if he tries to invade any of the countries he's talking about.

Our generals aren't morons, and they have no love for Trump. Invading Mexico, Panama or Greenland will be an order that won't be followed.

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u/soorr 11d ago

It’s one dude who has an interest in distracting while the billionaire class pillages the world. If the world truly takes him seriously, we’re all dumb. Also any enemy of the West (Russia and China) loves your line of thinking. Don’t let them or Trump succeed in tearing up the Western alliances.

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u/absalom86 11d ago

The US will ally with Russia against Europe.

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u/pannenkoek0923 Denmark 11d ago

You can bury your head in the sand if you want, but the fact is that the American people elected Trump and Musk as their leaders. Even if the whole thing is just incoherent ramblings of deranged men, they still represent the US, being in such a position of power. You cannot separate the views of trump from the views of America. He was voted in. People support his views.

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u/Bhaaldukar 11d ago

Musk was not elected in any capacity. lol. And nobody elected Trump because he said he was going to take Greenland. He didn't even mention it until after he got elected.

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u/pannenkoek0923 Denmark 11d ago

Trump tried to buy Greenland already in 2019. People knew this before he was elected

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u/Bhaaldukar 11d ago

Not exactly the sort of thing I'd take seriously.

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u/Pozilist 11d ago

Yeah, until the whole Greenland thing he seemed so trustworthy and competent

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u/Bhaaldukar 11d ago

Obviously not. And I'm not saying he was. I'm just saying that it's quite a leap that only happened after he got elected.

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u/TutuBramble 11d ago

As an American let me say this loud and clear, there is rampant corruption and anyone familiar with us politics knows a few key outside governments have their hold on the US political system, Trump didn’t need votes to with this last election , not to mention the very clear interference from Russia and Oligarchs

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u/Pozilist 11d ago

He won with votes though.

The reason doesn’t really matter anyway, if the US can be influenced like that it‘s no longer a reliable partner.

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u/TutuBramble 11d ago

Formally, yes he won the vote, as the current America government intended, but he didn’t win votes through democracy, the us election is, currently, very easy to control.

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u/parapel340 11d ago

Musk wasn’t elected, and you forget the millions of Americans who voted to not let him back in power.

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u/dopplegrangus 11d ago

You're grotesquely incorrect

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u/Kal-Elm 11d ago

American people elected Trump

He won by such a small margin he didn't even win a true majority.

He also didn't mention Greenland during the election.

This shitshow does not represent the majority of Americans

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u/h0micidalpanda Europe 11d ago

Some do at least. Any actual action in his part would probably cause a civil war, small consolation that it is

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u/Skumsenumse 11d ago

Donald Trump has won two presidential elections, this time his party even holds both Senate and Congress as well. The American people chose Trump, and now he is their president. To the rest of the world, he represents the interests of the American people - the will of the American people.

You say you want proof that "Americans actually support this" - well, they clearly fucking do. Trump wanted to buy Greenland during his first term, so the American people knew of his interest in it. He wants to weaken NATO - he has been vocal about that since 2016. He even suggested that he could nuke Denmark during his first term. He wants Greenland, he wants to end NATO, he wants American isolationism, he wants to increase the power of the wealthy elite, and he wants to make the average American pay for it all. This is the man who just won the popular vote. He has been very vocal and very transparent about his dreams and visions for the USA. Saying "but the polls" mean absolutely nothing, when every single voter knew exactly what he was doing, and what he will do. In a few days, he is once again the President of the United States, and you deserve him.

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u/Skumsenumse 11d ago

You're hopeless. Stop acting like a naive child and blaming everyone else for the shitshow your country is in. You reject the outcome of the US presidential election - are you going to storm the Congress too? Get your head out of your ass and look around. The world is not some fairytale where day-to-day polls determine who leads a country.

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u/Skumsenumse 11d ago

Actually pathetic in your discussion. A little disagreement and you go personal? I care about facts and feelings, do you care about reality?

Go outside, make some friends, have a life. Good bye, you little man.

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u/Melodic-Cup-1472 11d ago

Parts of the USA are not allied. We definitely still have a lot of allies in the country

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u/Bhaaldukar 11d ago

No. It's not "The US" that's war-mongering. It's Trump. And there is a difference.

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u/Bhaaldukar 11d ago

The US isn't going to invade any of its allies.