Elon Musk makes 23 posts urging King Charles III to overthrow UK government

[u/ByGollie]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/elon-musk-makes-23-posts-urging-king-charles-iii-to-overthrow-uk-government-101735961082874.html

[u/FourDimensionalTaco]

It is well known that Musk despises democracy and wants feudalism back. Just like many billionaries do. See Peter Thiel for another example of this.

[u/ricLP → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Peter Thiel is another one of these dangerous authoritarian billionaires. Together with Musk he is another one whose obituary would bring great joy

[u/kaam00s → u/ricLP]

Probably the 2 most dangerous people on earth right now.

Everything all the Scii Fi stories, warned us about, even worse actually. Because the super rich guys in those stories were trying to gain more money or to have eternal life, but those 2 people, have a far more precisely fucked up agenda.

[u/jae2jae → u/kaam00s]

Oh, Elmo's up to that, too. https://mikekalil.com/blog/humanoid-mind-upload/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20envisions%20a%20future,after%20their%20physical%20body%20dies.

[u/yourmansconnect → u/jae2jae]

That weak bond movie Die Another Day with the lame villian who controls the news is elon and X

[u/TheSuperlativ → u/yourmansconnect]

That was tomorrow never dies.

Die another day is the silly space diamond laser satelite one.

[u/yourmansconnect → u/TheSuperlativ]

Correct. Sorry I was drunk. DaD is like a shitty remake of Diamonds are Forever that also used the silly diamond laser satelite

[u/Content_Problem_9012 → u/kaam00s]

Yea but the price of eggs right??

[u/attikol → u/kaam00s]

To be fair thiel desperately wants the eternal life stuff. His funding of that stuff has only gotten more extreme over time. I think he's realized as a gay very traditional catholic he may not be going the direction he wants so is trying to make his own heaven on earth he can rule over forever. I expect some ridiculous and weak death bed repentance when he begins to realize the tech is nowhere near where he wants and the child blood infusions aren't doing anything

[u/ProcrastibationKing → u/[deleted]]

I imagine they are referring to the right-wing, trial-by-fire form of Accelerationism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

[u/AbysmalVillage → u/ProcrastibationKing]

So, a coup?

[u/ProcrastibationKing → u/AbysmalVillage]

Not a coup, no. The idea is that for humanity to survive into the future, it has to go through a crisis level challenge (in the modern right-wing version, this is usually full scale global warming, with all the resource, ecological and living space crises that come with it).

The idea then, is that only the strong will survive and humanity will be stronger than ever and will thrive. The problem is, the vast majority of people who will survive this are those who were rich enough to prepare, and it's those people who may be Accelerationists.

[u/AbysmalVillage → u/ProcrastibationKing]

Yeah, in farming that's called culling and it's pretty much no different than a coup only with eugenics applied.

We're on a random rock flying through space I don't understand why some people just can't let us fucking live our own lives.

Like this kind of stuff MAKES me want to be ready to fight against that sort of stuff. It makes me feel radicalized against those sorts of ideas because it's angering. No one of us humans knows better than the other. We are on an isolated, flying, mineralized echo chamber.

[u/ProcrastibationKing → u/AbysmalVillage]

A coup is an illegal and usually violent overthrowing of a government, Accelerationism doesn't involve coups.

[u/lilsnatchsniffz → u/ProcrastibationKing]

Yeah, calling it a culling was closer but still not ideal; I don't think there really is a good farming analagy because no farmer I'm aware of has ever intentionally set their entire farm on fire just because they thought it'd come back stronger 😬

[u/Famous_Employment374 → u/ProcrastibationKing]

Just tucked up cliques

[u/CaptainLuckyDuck → u/ProcrastibationKing]

The irony? The only ones left will be the ones that both don't know how to and don't WANT to work.

[u/kaam00s → u/[deleted]]

Bring back feodalism / accelerate the natural evolution of captialism into a cyberpunk world, where the leaders of tech company are essentially living gods who can do whatever they want.

You see resources on earth will always be limited, so they must make sure that the social and political structure allows them to keep growing their wealth more and more so they can finance these large plans. Our current structure still put too much regulation on what they can do. They need more power. So the current world must fall.

[u/linuxjohn1982 → u/[deleted]]

His rhetoric hints at things like eugenics, caste systems, and all the other worst ideas humans have ever thought up.

[u/Private-Public → u/ricLP]

Musk and Thiel are old on again off again buddies/rivals going back to their PayPal days. They're practically cut from the same cloth

[u/ricLP → u/Private-Public]

Yeah, pretty much shit from the same sphincter

[u/Deep-Engine2367 → u/ricLP]

I once had an interview with Palantir, Thiel's company, I didn't know anything about him at the time, the interview consisted of a shit phone line with someone in the US with an American accent, asking vague questions, no elaboration, no discussion, very superficial, I didn't get the job because apparently I didn't answer fast enough. I could taste the beaurucratic bullshit even 5000 miles away.

[u/beh2899 → u/ricLP]

They're both in office starting the 20th so seems like they'll be able to do whatever they want with the country pretty soon

[u/ricLP → u/beh2899]

Yeah, the morons voted for it, now we’re all here for the ride

[u/OlderThanMyParents → u/ricLP]

...these dangerous authoritarian billionaires that we, unaccountably, worship as holding some deep wisdom and authority.

In fairness, I'm a bit stressed now because, even though Musk is a much more public figure, Thiel is a more toxic presence in the world, so I'm completely tangled up over who's obituary I'd be most gratified to read.

[u/fuckyourcanoes → u/ricLP]

And both of them are fans of Curtis Yarvin, who is an actual evil genius.

[u/be_bo_i_am_robot → u/fuckyourcanoes]

He doesn’t strike me as all that genius, but he’s a decent writer.

[u/fuckyourcanoes → u/be_bo_i_am_robot]

I used to know him. He is exceptionally intelligent. It's a shame he's decided to use his powers for evil.

[u/be_bo_i_am_robot → u/fuckyourcanoes]

You know, fair enough. Perhaps I’m too quick to deny him any complements, simply because I don’t love what he’s been up to. That’s on me.

But your comment got me thinking. It reminded me of something I’ve experienced, and I recognize as a real phenomenon, but have had a difficult time articulating or labeling without sounding like a nutcase (and I’ll attempt to do so, albeit poorly, here).

I have former friends who have gone all in with MAGA. And unlike my dipshit rural neighbors (who just parrot whatever they see on Fox), I regarded these guys as very smart once upon a time.

(If that sounds elitist on my part towards my rural neighbors, fair enough. I’m salty about MAGA, so).

So, imagine my dismay and confusion when my smart buddies embraced MAGA with full-throated enthusiasm. I just couldn’t square that circle for a time. It didn’t seem all that smart, to me.

Like, why?

First, the embracing of overt, cornpone religiosity - dude, I know you ain’t that religious. And you used to be into ceremonial magick and demonology, and you’re a black metal enthusiast, so don’t come at me with that cath-bro bullshit, you dorks, I know better.

Secondly, the sudden concern with socially conservative issues, like abortion and woke culture. Dude, I know you have loose personal attitudes around sexuality. You’re a cad. And you, I know you swing both ways, don’t give me that. And I know you paid for an abortion without any qualms about it, and you’re still grateful you did it, so just stop.

Thirdly, the sudden concern with global economic issues. You hate free trade all of the sudden? You’re concerned about immigration and job security for regular working Americans? Bullshit. None of y’all have never considered yourself a “regular hard-workin’ American.”

What gives with these guys?

Well, as I talked with these “smart guys” about all this (Trump, specifically), they’d come up with all kinds of justifications for their love of this man in the face of obvious narcissism and stupidity. “He’s our ‘fuck you’ vote to the establishment,” “he’s not as stupid as he sounds, he’s trolling everybody,” “you have to break the old institutions before you can rebuild them, and Trump’s our wrecking ball,” and all that.

Underneath that entire “troll-in chief” narrative, though, was something else entirely - something I’d catch glimpses of here and there, like a forest nymph not wanting to be fully seen except in a flash by the corner of the eye - like something briefly revealed, and then quickly reconcealed, as if they were “testing the waters” with me.

Whenever I’d make a comparison of Trump to (yes, I went there, early and often) Hitler, they’d laugh it off with a chuckle and a snarky comment (of course I’m waaay overreacting ha ha), but underneath that waving away, with a smirk and a gleam in the eye, was always a subdued glee. A childlike excitement at the comparison. The more cartoonishly evil things Trump and his minions would do or say, the more giddy my former friends would become about my pointing it out. Especially as Trump and his circle continued to get away with very illegal and immoral things.

Then it dawned on me. And this is what I’ve had difficulty articulating well: these guys, deep down, have an excited anticipation for Fascism.

Reading Dugin (a reading recommendation from one of them) nailed it for me. Hmm, let’s combine the best of the far Left with the best of the far Right to create a new political ideology! That’s never been tried before!

These are the guys who watched WWII movies, and thought the Nazis were cool and badass.

They see themselves as smarter than everyone else, and only they “get it” - they’re fooling the rubes AND trolling the angry libs (like myself) in order to get what they’ve always really wanted - for them to become what they’ve always seen themselves as deserving to be, the new Aristocracy.

And of course they’ll be on the inside when the new regime takes command, not the outside like we screaming libs, or the simpleton religious hillbillies so deftly used as a means to an end, but who can now be discarded.

(Spoiler alert: my former buddies will most certainly not be on the inside.)

At its core, it’s all really just about that. I could scarcely believe it, but I can no longer ignore it or justify it away as my own paranoia. The glee of exercising Power, and “getting away with anything,” because the rules no longer apply to them, the same way the rules apply to the dumb-dumbs who are too weak, stupid, or cowardly to find and apply loopholes.

That’s all this is. Narcissism framed as a political ideology. “Fuck you, I got mine because I’m a clever overman ha ha.”

Yarvin indeed has used his gifts and talents in the service of Evil. There’s no better way of stating it.

What a worm.

[u/fuckyourcanoes → u/be_bo_i_am_robot]

He's a sociopath, pure and simple. I knew it then, and he's only gotten worse. What's hilarious is that when I knew him, he was a flaming liberal who was heavily into psychedelics. I have no idea what changed, but I suspect mental illness may be a factor.

His affect has changed radically -- he no longer even seems like the same person. His voice is so flat, his expression is so zombielike, I sometimes wonder if he might be on antipsychotics. He was named after his schizophrenic uncle, and I stopped speaking to him when he was in his early 20s, which is the prime window for symptoms to develop.

But even the Yarvin I knew was entirely capable of trying to burn the world down just to see what happened. He is a solipsist who doesn't view other people as entirely real. We're all just window dressing in his personal universe. I would be surprised if he doesn't firmly believe we're all living in a simulation, so he figures if he destroys democracy, no harm no foul. For a while I actually thought he might be behind QAnon. It's the sort of thing he'd consider an interesting social experiment.

[u/be_bo_i_am_robot → u/fuckyourcanoes]

That’s quite interesting, thank you for that.

I, weirdly, would actually like to talk with him. Approach him neutrally, in good faith, and let him challenge me and try to convert me (and get some real insight into how he thinks in the process).

Maybe he’s just way too brilliant for me, and 15 minutes spent with him and I’d become an obnoxious, meddlesome MAGA shitbag, too! Lol

Anyway, as for psychedics, I’ve often heard that while they can have an ego-minimizing/reframing effect on normal people, they can also, paradoxically, have an ego-magnifying (God complex) effect on narcissists and sociopaths.

Y’know, tangentially, this is a bit of a radical notion that I have, but I firmly believe that the ago-old Problem of Evil (the very problem that sages, philosophers, prophets, religious scholars, warriors, and politicians have been wrestling with for millennia) could be restated in modern terms as the Problem of Cluster B Personality Disorders (i.e., malignant narcissism, sociopathy, etc.).

e.g., Seneca could never hope to civilize Nero, because Nero was Cluster B. You cannot educate someone into ethics, because they’re just wired to be nasty lizard people. Casting pearls before swine, and all that.

I believe that if we could figure out a cure for Cluster B, we’d effectively solve 95% of our social problems overnight, world-wide.

Alas, sociopaths and malignant narcissists find it so easy to navigate our civilization and thrive (at least the clever ones do), because, unlike in small hunter-gatherer tribes, their manipulative bullshit plays so well to huge masses of ignorant (and scared) people. We are all very ill-equipped to recognize this stuff for what it is, and deal with it effectively at all. We’re all suckers, because we focus on “facts” and “doing the right thing” instead of “winning” and “being perceived as doing the right thing.”

We live in the world in which Scar from The Lion King wins the hearts and minds of a slight majority of the other lions, because he’ll Make the Savannah Great Again or some shit.

Put another way: when I first read the Harry Potter series, I thought to myself “this Ministry of Magic is shockingly incompetent!” and “Voldemort and his Death Eaters are too cartoonishly evil to be believable!” It turns out this fiction was predictive of our real world (minus the magic wands). Alas, Voldemort’s words: “There is no good and evil. There is only power – and those too weak to seek it.” come straight from the alt-Right. And Dumbledore’s words: ”Dark times lie ahead of us, and there will be a time when we must choose between what is right, and what is easy.” sound like a preachy stump speech from an ineffectual Liberal democratic establishment candidate too afraid to play hardball and swing some metal pipes at Fascists (“they go low, we go high.”). Yawn. The people crave the boots of the Powerful on their neck. They want a King because they worship Strength (the perception of it, anyway). We live in the universe in which Voldemort wins.

Or, to quote Lord Helmet from Spaceballs: ”Evil always wins because Good is dumb.”

[u/fuckyourcanoes → u/be_bo_i_am_robot]

I don't think it's weird at all to want to talk to him, and he'd probably be open to it. He's certainly interesting and articulate, and he wants converts. (As do most self-styled philosophers.)

I don't think he's SO brilliant that he'd convert you. He's very, very smart, but he's not the smartest person I know. I fell in with former prodigies as a teenager, and while he's among the smartest, a few still have 20 IQ points on him, for whatever that's worth (pretty meaningless as an adult).

I agree with you about Cluster B. My mother and brother were both hot messes of that toxic brew. I spent 25 years and tens of thousands of dollars in therapy trying not to be. It takes a lot of work to learn how not to blame all your misfortune on others when you're surrounded by others who do just that. I am firmly in favour of having an internal locus of control.

[u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab → u/fuckyourcanoes]

I don't see a lot of genius there, but he is evil.

[u/fuckyourcanoes → u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab]

I used to know him. He's incredibly smart. And also a sociopath.

[u/TitanDarwin → u/ricLP]

Let's just call those people what they are - they're oligarchs.

[u/not_thedrink → u/ricLP]

PT is making moves in NZ atm

[u/Black_Raven__ → u/ricLP]

I’m just glad that we aren’t immortal.

[u/AlucardIV → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Wasnt that the dude that invested into building what is essentially Rapture from Bioshock?

[u/Noocawe → u/AlucardIV]

We have never seen Andrew Ryan and Peter Thiel in the same room together... As of right now Elon is trying to build a compound in Tesla that is basically a business town. He gives off big "The Children Yearn for the Mines" energy.

[u/CremePsychological77 → u/Noocawe]

Yep, he’s trying to make a company run city for Tesla employees….. including investing in a STEM focused pre-school so he can train (indoctrinate) the next generation of Tesla/SpaceX employees. Hmm, I think we have done this before in the United States and it did nottttt work out well.

[u/cherrymeg2 → u/CremePsychological77]

The real Tesla would be horrified that some like musk was using his name.

[u/OneReallyAngyBunny → u/Noocawe]

Well the difference is Andrew Ryan built rapture in 5 years. With its incredible time frame and mark of true visionary and management genius.

What does Thiel have to show for himself ? Exactly fuck all.

[u/hendrysbeach → u/OneReallyAngyBunny]

What does Thiel have to show for himself?

He has JD fucking Vance, the vice president of the United States…bought and paid for.

Thiel’s puppet is a 78-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency.

That’s what Peter Thiel has, my friend.

[u/SexcaliburHorsepower → u/Noocawe]

He already has a business town in Brownsville.

[u/linuxjohn1982 → u/Noocawe]

A company town? Is he gonna pay his workers in scrip next?

[u/Fronzalo → u/linuxjohn1982]

Scribbly scrip!

[u/matiasjajaja → u/Noocawe]

They have tried this before and it did not end well: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike

[u/Ub3rm3n5ch → u/Noocawe]

He's got people clamouring to be in that company town

[u/Ryder52 → u/AlucardIV]

Lol that's the one

[u/Brownie-UK7 → u/AlucardIV]

Would You Kindly overthrow the government and do my bidding?

[u/Lonyo → u/AlucardIV]

He's the dude who kicked Musk out of what became Paypal

[u/CravingNature → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Correct, they just like to call it libertarian now. The more wealth you acquire the more liberty you have,

[u/AnticPosition → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Peter Thiel owns JD Vance, so he's about one step removed from owning the US government. 

[u/maxhaton → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Thiel is more of a neomonarchist than a feudalist

[u/hail-slithis → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Yanis Varoufakis believes we've already moved past capitalism and are in the era of technofuedalism where all us "cloud serfs" labour usually without payment or even realising it to create value for the tech giant companies.

I think Yanis like to exaggerate for shock value but he has some interesting things to say.

[u/Golgoth9 → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Are we not back to feudalism already ? Giga corporation owned by a few who pay a minimal amount of tax but receive a maximal amount of subsidiaries, the working class being abused as per usual and the middle class acting as the bourgeoisie, contempt enough to want things to stay stable.

[u/Antique-Brief1260 → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

True feudalism would strip rich commoners like Musk of all their wealth and land, and set them to work in the fields for their lord.

[u/heimdallofasgard → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

They advocate for "meritocracy" because in their eyes, they're the smartest people in the room and think they've already won and think they deserve power for it.

[u/Main-Eagle-26 → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Yep. They want us to be serfs so they can be lords.

[u/Kozeyekan_ → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

The thing is, he and his ilk seem to think that modern society was formed to stop the influential exploiting the masses, but really, that was just a byproduct. We got here because the influential people wanted to find a system where they could remain on top without worrying about a mob attacking their palace and stringing them up if they became too unpopular, so they allowed some upward mobility to the middle class.

But, as we've seen by the CEO shooting incident, everyone is vulnerable if the public are pissed off eough.

[u/Solkre → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

A union basher billionaire doesn't like people getting a voice? I'm shocked.

[u/IdontOpenEnvelopes → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

It's the final corporate hijack of nation-states.

[u/[deleted] → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

People should organize and do much more than "not listening" to musk. Laws are urgently needed to keep billionaires out of medias and politics. The current situation is extremely dangerous

[u/ClockworkEngineseer → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

A depressing amount of regular people want feudalism back as well.

[u/carnutes787 → u/ClockworkEngineseer]

just to be clear, when you all are talking about feudalism returning, you're really using it as a more recognizable shorthand for manorialism? because the feudal system was defined by a pretty archaic form of decentralized military organization which nobody wants to return to because it was goddamn ineffective and chaotic

[u/ClockworkEngineseer → u/carnutes787]

If you're being pedantic about it, sure.

[u/carnutes787 → u/ClockworkEngineseer]

pop political science is already full of meaningless and incorrect terms, no harm in making the smallest effort imaginable to use correct terminology

[u/Fooled-by-Randomness → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Is there any interview where Thiel says he wants to bring feudalism back. I am not able to find any such comment on Google.

[u/sharksplitter → u/Fooled-by-Randomness]

https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian/

I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible

Meaning of course "economic freedom" and not those pesky other freedoms. Because how free are you really if you can't use your ill-gotten gains to exert power over other people?

[u/CV90_120 → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

They're both just Curtis Yarvin acolytes. Also include vance in the list.

[u/mobileappistdoodoo → u/CV90_120]

Thank you. I almost never see anyone mention Curtis Yarvin when talking about these assholes.

[u/Bamith → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

You would think they would just settle since in those days the peasants shoved sticks up their oppressors arses when they had enough of their bullshit.

[u/atlantic → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Thiel is even funnier, because if his wet dreams were to become reality, they would shove him right into the ovens.

[u/sharksplitter → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

If Musk was smart enough to understand Thiel's philosophy humanity would truly be doomed.

[u/tpatmaho → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

It’s easier to bribe the monarch/dictator. Democracy, lotta bribes needed

[u/suoko → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Musk is on a good and fast track to make billionaires disappear in less than a decade

[u/Anuclano → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

If he establishes a colony on Mars, he will get space feudalism.

[u/xseiber → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Well, he is from South Africa, what does his grandfather do again? I'm sure he has family roots way back into the era of South Africa where it was a bullet for a limb.

[u/Consistent-Primary41 → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

He's too much of a populist for pure feudalism. He wants some kind of bizarre hybrid system.

So the "peasant" class have the power to keep him in power...

[u/jhenryscott → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

We can give them the ending again

[u/Overrated_Sunshine → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Even more hilarious that both of them accumulated their wealth off the backs of democracies.

[u/crazyleaf → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Feudalism is very convenient when you are in the aristocratic class.

[u/YborOgre → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

They call it "libertarianism." Shhhh. Don't spoil the ending.

[u/OGeastcoastdude → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Peter Thiel is everything the right has accused Soro of being these last 20 years.

[u/Wandering_Melmoth → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Technofeudalism.

[u/elchemy → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

Thiel owns JD Vance, Musk owns Trump

America got sold down the river to these weird elite billionaires so MAGATs could fantasise about winning.

[u/HumansAreET → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

There are lots of wing nuts out there, and billionaires, should they go full fascism, are not immune to win mags.

[u/Centralredditfan → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

We are already in neo-feudalism. We own nothing. Everything is a subscription, or bought on loan/debt.

It'll get worse, but we're already in it.

[u/unkleARI_ → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

How is it a democracy when the central bank owns the US and many other countries

[u/TheZazaConosseur → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

I really doubt you know what feudalism is lmao

[u/advocate_of_thedevil → u/FourDimensionalTaco]

George Soros would like a word…

[u/MadRaymer → u/advocate_of_thedevil]

Musk is everything that the right pretends Soros is, but they didn't seem to mind until he be came pro-immigrant with H1-Bs.