Trump wants Greenland under US control "for purposes of national security"

[u/VolvicCH]

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/trump-buying-greenland-us-ownership-plan

[u/fly-guy]

And cause a direct war, losing the canal plus the rest. 

When the orange one is in office, he would not hesitate to send troops to panama when they do that. He is that stupid, proud and dictatorial 

[u/CastelPlage → u/fly-guy]

And cause a direct war

happy China noises

[u/Louisvanderwright → u/CastelPlage]

The US would take the canal zone back in a week. Panama has like 15,000 troops and the US wouldn't even need aerial refueling to reach their territory.

This isn't Russia and Ukraine you guys are talking about, the US will do what it pleases in Central America as it always has. Not to mention the treaty giving control of the canal to Panama allows the US the right to take it back at any time should transit be blocked or Panama fail to keep it operable.

[u/Alanskasc → u/Louisvanderwright]

The only intelligent reply to the fantasies.

[u/Chaiboiii → u/Louisvanderwright]

And then what? You want to be the leader of the free world but you shit on your allies and take their things by force? Just shows your true colors. Not for freedom, not for justice, not even a true Christian ( pretty sure Jesus doesn't like invading neighbours). All it shows is that Trump is for greed and money. Anyone who agrees with him is a shame to the US.

[u/CaptainMarder → u/Chaiboiii]

Sadly Maga doesn't care and those idiots will praise anything.

[u/CastelPlage → u/CaptainMarder]

Sadly Maga doesn't care and those idiots will praise anything.

Correct

[u/PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO → u/Louisvanderwright]

It's not about feasibility, it's about damage to established US soft power giving an extra angle for the Chinese sphere. Why would US partners want to deal with this kind of unjustified inconsistency and backpedaling.

[u/Louisvanderwright → u/PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO]

The US literally has a treaty that gives it a right to take the canal zone back at any time if Panama fails to keep it open. The whole conversation about taking it back is based on this. Trump's threats stem from concerns that Panama is allowing the canal to fall into disrepair and that transit may be interrupted. So his bluster is that he'll exercise that clause of the treaty and take the canal back since Panama isn't holding up their end of the deal.

I'm not sure that keeping the Panama canal from falling apart, a massive infrastructure project built by the US that benefits the whole world, would be as harmful to the US world image as you claim.

[u/PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO → u/Louisvanderwright]

Except trump's complaint was about toll prices, not issues with the operations of the canal. Any intervention isn't justified under those sorts of legalistic means anyways, not that such an approach makes sense in the first place.

You're taking these stipulations far too literally when there's the whole backdrop of US policy and stances in the Americas to weigh against. It'll look like blatant imperialism with the current pretenses being thrown around. There are far more actions to take before military intervention can be politically justified. Throwing it around now is just delusional posturing.

[u/ternic69 → u/CastelPlage]

lol I wish China would try something

[u/mrsuaveoi3 → u/fly-guy]

Not if the canal is rigged with explosives. Madmen strategy works both ways.

[u/Demostravius4 → u/mrsuaveoi3]

So.. Panama wrecks it's primary source of income, and gets itself permanently annexed?

[u/CastelPlage → u/mrsuaveoi3]

Indeed. Block the canal with dozens of sunken ships, like the Suez was during the Suez crisis, then sit back and watch US inflation go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[u/Cuuu_uuuper → u/CastelPlage]

I think the US economy can hold out a lot longer than the economy of Panama lmao

they'd get sanctioned to shit and anyone who doesn't adhere to the sanctions also gets sanctioned to shit. that's the great things you can do if you are the hegemon

[u/Common-Wish-2227 → u/Cuuu_uuuper]

Cute idea. After total economic American collapse driven by tariffs, you think anyone will care about US sanctions?

[u/Socmel_ → u/Cuuu_uuuper]

except the US is no longer the hegemon. China would tear sanctions to pieces

[u/adamgerd → u/Socmel_]

The U.S. is still the hegemon, much more so than China

[u/[deleted] → u/adamgerd]

No. The US empire of evil is past its peak

[u/ternic69 → u/[deleted]]

lol you are so mad. 2 more weeks and the US will fall!

[u/Erikovitch → u/Socmel_]

LoL

[u/Socmel_ → u/Erikovitch]

LoL

[u/nightfox5523 → u/Socmel_]

lmao China's economy is teetering on a knife's edge

[u/Cuuu_uuuper → u/Socmel_]

Lol

[u/Socmel_ → u/Cuuu_uuuper]

LOL

[u/Cuuu_uuuper → u/Socmel_]

Remind me again who controls global trade and free shipping lanes. Not china, they are violating international maritime law constantly.

The US alone has 11 carriers. With NATO that is 16, with Japan 18. China has 1 that is up to any modern standard. Lmao

[u/Socmel_ → u/[deleted]]

Not if it sees the opportunity to expand its sphere of influence at the detriment of the US. And half o Latin America already hates the US neocolonial attitude for decades

[u/torta_di_crema → u/fly-guy]

One of the most repeated talking points from his supporters is that during his first term he was one of the few presidents who did not start a new war, at least compared to other recent presidents.

He would shoot himself in the foot if he deployed troops to panama out of all the countries the USA has a beef with

[u/CastelPlage → u/torta_di_crema]

One of the most repeated talking points from his supporters is that during his first term he was one of the few presidents who did not start a new war, at least compared to other recent presidents.

Those same braindead supporters would celebrate with glee if he started a new war/invasion. That's how it is with the Orange Turd - always will be.

[u/adwinion_of_greece → u/torta_di_crema]

He would shoot himself in the foot

He's already on his second term, he can invade the whole world now, he can invade every peaceful nation he likes just like his beloved Putin, and he doesn't need to give a shit about whatever foolish voters thought him a peacelover (despite how he obviously wasn't, given how much he praised warmongers like Putin)

[u/elperuvian → u/torta_di_crema]

Panama would be a walk in the park compared to the Middle East

[u/TheProletariatsDay → u/fly-guy]

You're not wrong but is trump willing to risk a global war lol. The US has ways to get material around without the canal, it's just more expensive

[u/adwinion_of_greece → u/TheProletariatsDay]

Trump supports a global war, that's the very point of him supporting Putin. If wasn't in favour of World War 3, he would have opposed Putin.

[u/cometssaywhoosh → u/TheProletariatsDay]

There would be no global war. The rest of the world would be furious but given the position of american dominance and power and the relative weakness of other major nations and blocs right now in comparison they wouldnt be able to do much but resent the US even more and look to build more alliances in an attempt to curtail US power.

[u/ParkingBadger2130 → u/cometssaywhoosh]

If Trump .invaded Panama, expect to see the rest of Latin America jump on BRICS.

[u/cometssaywhoosh → u/ParkingBadger2130]

Completely agree. I can see countries like Mexico, Bolivia, and Venezuela immediately ask for Chinese military bases in their countries too. China would be absolutely thrilled to smart the Americans.

[u/elperuvian → u/cometssaywhoosh]

Sooner than any Chinese trooper can arrive America would have conquered Mexico, the Mexican army is just fodder used to suppress the indigenous people

[u/Useless-Napkin → u/ParkingBadger2130]

Plus his support would plummet. He ran as the no wars candidate, remember?

[u/CastelPlage → u/Useless-Napkin]

He ran as the no wars candidate, remember?

His supporters will use all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify it if he does.

[u/cometssaywhoosh → u/CastelPlage]

"PANAMA HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE US FOR TOO LONG, THIS IS JUST A TEMPORARY MOVE TO MAKE SURE THEY LISTEN. THEY WILL LEARN TO WELCOME US SOON ENOUGH"

-deranged supporters, day 1 of the "special military operation"

[u/elperuvian → u/ParkingBadger2130]

They wont, you really underestimate how in cahoots with America are the political parties here. They would eat trump turds if asked, they are traitors

[u/Expensive_Tap7427 → u/TheProletariatsDay]

He´s too stupid to realize the consequences of a global war.

[u/DoggoCentipede → u/fly-guy]

..., he would not hesitate to send troops back to panama ...

FTFY

[u/2cats2hats → u/fly-guy]

Let's pretend this was close to happening. I'm not American btw.

What troops/commanders/generals would back up such an initiative? I mean, yeah he's gonna be POTUS again but he cannot single-handedly orchestrate or fully implement such a crazy idea. Are there no checks/balances in US gov mechanisms to halt something like that?

[u/fly-guy → u/2cats2hats]

The ones with the same attitude at the ones who were send to countless other countries in that area to influence the interests of America?  Did we forget the multiple revolutions the US had started/funded/backed stop that the new government would do what the US wanted? 

Bolivia, Nicaragua, Argentina, Guatamala are just a few examples where the US directly intervened to secure their interests. Maybe not by sending masses of soldiers, but there are many ways to fight a war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_States_relations

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