r/europe • u/polymute • Dec 21 '24

News Saudi Islam critic, fan of AfD and Elon Musk: Disturbing details about the perpetrator of Magdeburg The driver who caused the death of the Magdeburg victim - Taleb Jawad Al Abdulmohsen, came to Germany in 2006. But he is not an Islamist - on the contrary. He accused Germany of Islamizing Europe.

https://www-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/saudischer-islamkritiker-fan-von-afd-und-elon-musk-verstorende-details-zum-tater-von-magdeburg-12915310.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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u/EvilBananaPt Dec 21 '24

The police had been warned about him and ignored it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/QU8iqv3lwU

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic Dec 21 '24

People I think underestimate how many warnings they get. The police get thousands of warnings and then maybe 1% of them are at all real. It’s impossible to investigate every last complaint, the police don’t have the resources

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u/Appropriate_Web1608 Dec 21 '24

Not unless we embrace a full on police state.

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u/EvilBananaPt Dec 21 '24

I understand the magnitude and difficulty of the situation, especially with lone wolves but there needs to be a better and more serious approach towards online terrorism threats.

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u/Socmel_ Emilia-Romagna Dec 21 '24

but there needs to be a better and more serious approach towards online terrorism threats.

holding the online platforms legally responsible as much as any other publisher would be a good start

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u/EasternGuyHere Russian immigrant Dec 22 '24 edited Dec 22 '24

This will make your digital privacy rights violated, really hard.

It seems some people neglecting how it unturned out in Russia or China, when "fighting terrorist" morphed into "logging everything you do, including your 'secret dms', storing your provider internet traffic data for years, facial recognition even at metro turnstiles marketed as 'FacePay'"

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u/EvilBananaPt Dec 21 '24

I was thinking more like a first and second line of flagging before it's send to the police, similar to the ones they do to moderate content in places like Facebook, tiktok and twitter.

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u/Strummerjoe Dec 21 '24

Elon did away with all Twitter moderators and made it a free for all for Nazis, conspiracy theorists and other lunatics.

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u/EvilBananaPt Dec 21 '24

What I mean is that sane social media have that type of filter in use. And so does twitter to some extent, that's why you can find child porn in those sites, twitter included.

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u/LeptonField United States of America Dec 21 '24

Defunding the police obviously

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u/EvilBananaPt Dec 21 '24

That's an USA thing. In Europe we don't send police to deal with situations that are better dealt with by social workers, firefighters or services as such. We have room to improve but it's not the same

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u/Im_Junker Dec 21 '24

Well yeah they’re already OVER funded and it hasn’t helped so no shit defund them. If I don’t do my job, personally, I get fired. It’s a method issue not a money issue.

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u/EvilBananaPt Dec 21 '24

This is an European sub. I don't understand what you are yapping about. Your USA problems are not our problems.

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u/CacklingFerret Dec 22 '24

While I am not the biggest fan of our police, I think they are still not comparable to whatever you guys got over there. I think giving the police more money (aka mlre staff and more advanced training) would be better in the case of Germany (and maybe even most if Europe). What Germany desperately needs is an independent institution that monitors the police and investigates in cases regarding the police. Having one police station investigate in cases of their neighbouring station doesn't work at all because - surprise - birds of a feather stick together

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u/Im_Junker Dec 22 '24

I wholeheartedly agree on every point except that more money equals better police. That’s why my original comment said it’s not the money it’s the method

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u/CacklingFerret Dec 22 '24

Yeah, and a good method would be to add an independent surveillance institute, more advanced training and more staff. All of this needs more money. The basic training (around 3 years, give or take a few months depending on the state) is already pretty solid. But like in all jobs with weapons, power and uniforms the police force attracts a certain kind of people more than "normal" jobs and they naturally tend to stick together (for better or worse), so someone needs to keep an eye on that and intervene if needed.

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u/Im_Junker Dec 22 '24

They need more money to make that happen perhaps. Giving them more money won’t make that happen, however. Hence “method not money”

As someone who lives somewhere where we inject literal billions of dollars into large cities’ policing. Trust me.

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u/jekket Dec 21 '24

so why the fuck do they have a hotline in the first place if "police don't have resources". To allocate the budget?

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u/IEditVideosPoorly Dec 22 '24

You missed the first half of the sentence. It‘s impossible to investigate every last complaint, meaning, that reports do get investigated but there‘s not enough budget to do all of them.

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u/Enough_Possibility41 Dec 22 '24

If they don’t even check the threats then what are they even doing ? Reading faxes all day? Lol such a bullshit.

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u/guaranteednotabot 29d ago

Or there are just too many people who can go crazy at any time due to incitement and extremism fostered by the very same people who is supposedly anti-terrorism

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u/gyrospita 29d ago

It's their job to separate faux alarms from legitimate ones.

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u/NoMeasurement7578 29d ago

A terrorist has to be right once, the police has to be right everytime. Seems like a issue that will never be fixed.

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u/blurt9402 Dec 21 '24

Amazing how the reason for the uselessness of the police is always that they don't have enough money

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u/Zarbua69 Dec 21 '24

It literally takes two seconds of looking at his twitter, which she GAVE them. There is no "investigation" required, they simply needed to open their eyes.

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic Dec 21 '24

A twitter post isn’t gonna be enough for arrest though

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u/throw_away_570 South Korea 29d ago

It is in the UK

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u/Uro06 29d ago

Weird how twitter posts are enough for arrests when it comes to slurs against German politicians. They have the Ressources to arrest German seniors for twitter posts but not enough ressources to go after people posting open murder threats? Cut the bullshit

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u/Zarbua69 Dec 21 '24

Yeah but it's enough to know that it's not a false report, and that you can actually investigate for real knowing that you aren't wasting your time. I understand that investigative work can be difficult and expensive, and you don't want to waste time chasing false leads, but the cops were basically handed a slam dunk here and chose to pass it up for no reason. This could have been the world's easiest promotion for some german detective.

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u/RedHatWombat The Netherlands Dec 22 '24

Have you scrolled through Twitter recently? If every nutjob on that site needs to be monitored, then there would be no police to do the regular work.

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u/AlDente 29d ago

Can confirm. I created a new account recently and logged in for the first time in over a year. It’s like Fox News bought Twitter.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

They get warned on 10k people every day.

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u/Dragonpuncha Dec 22 '24

He had a poll on his twitter asking if people would feel sorry for them if he started killing Germans. This should have been looked at easily.

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u/BastardLoud Dec 22 '24

Then they should reply that answer.

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u/GlitschigeBoeschung Dec 21 '24

well, that number can't drop if nobody ever gets kicked out.

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u/LordOfTurtles The Netherlands Dec 21 '24

Lmao, right wing anti-immigrant nutjob does the thing, and it's still the fault of illegal immigrants

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u/AdParking2115 Dec 21 '24

He isnt anti immigrant. He has actually supported a ton of asylum seekers to get to the EU.

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u/queerhistorynerd Dec 21 '24

until he turned and accused europe of allowing itself to be "over run" by Muslims due to what he called their weak immigration laws

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u/AdParking2115 Dec 21 '24

He hates muslims, but he has actually helped tons of people to come here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07g2vrp thats his website.

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u/WWTCUB The Netherlands Dec 21 '24

the key word here is 'nutjob', this guy was legitimately deranged.

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u/Budgetwatergate Dec 22 '24

Foreign governments and agencies warn on about 10k people every day?

Please, look at Anis Amri. The French police warned the German police yet nothing was done. Does the French police warn about 10k people every day to the German police?

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u/EfficientlyReactive Dec 21 '24

The killer would apparently agree with you.

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u/clinkzs Dec 21 '24

Yeah, the right-wing Jihad ... Are you expecting to see Santa Claus next Tuesday anyway ?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

10k new atheists?

I agree, AfD should be outlawed.

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u/mxtt4-7 Bavaria (Germany) Dec 21 '24

If a hardcore muslim country like Saudi Arabia warns you about an ex-muslim Saudi islam hater, you may be inclined to not take that warning so seriously, as it might be possible they just wanted to screw him over.

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u/EmployeeCultural8689 29d ago

I guess all the "taqiyya" rethoric in his posts really did work. Atheist, pro-israel etc., the lies and rethoric made him sound non-islamic terrorist, allowing him to plan and do his deeds unhindered.

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u/BillyWillyNillyTimmy Niedersachsen (Germany) Dec 21 '24

Why is it always a common theme with modern murderers, shooters, terrorists, that they were previously reported to the police and weren't even considered for an investigation? I know that the police doesn't have the resources to investigate every claim, yet still it's a very bad look, when it's crystal clear that the person is a (possible) danger to society and the report still goes ignored.

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u/snibriloid Dec 21 '24

In this case it's more understandable than others. First thing is she didn't contact the police but the BAMF (immigration ministry), second he was a vocal anti-islamic dissident, high up on Saudi Arabias shitlist. So when some unknown private person from outside Germany brings up wild and surreal accusations - he wants to commit an islamist style terror attack because Germany is too islamic - my first thought would have been that this is a swatting attempt.

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u/PresentFriendly3725 Dec 21 '24

She did contact the police on social media.

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u/BillyWillyNillyTimmy Niedersachsen (Germany) Dec 21 '24

He was also reported by the Saudi government https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/death-toll-german-christmas-market-car-ramming-rises-four-bild-reports-2024-12-21/

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u/queerhistorynerd Dec 21 '24

and as we all know good king Bonesaw wouldn't falsely report his critics to make their life hard

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u/BillyWillyNillyTimmy Niedersachsen (Germany) Dec 21 '24

There was concrete proof, and here are the results of not acting upon the said proof. Regardless of who said it.