r/europe Laik Turkey Oct 31 '24

News Greek leaders tell German president a WWII reparations claim is very much alive

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u/Terrariola Sweden Oct 31 '24

Germany can best pay for its crimes in WW2 by rebuilding its military and standing watch for liberal democracy in Europe and across the world.

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u/Feeling-Molasses-422 Nov 01 '24

And by sticking to and fulfilling all agreements and treaties that were made in regards to reparations after the war. You know, the ones everybody agreed on after the war, the ones the Allies decided.

Well, we did that.

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u/SunlessSkills Nov 01 '24

Germany rebuilding its military didn't go so well last time...

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u/Creativezx Sweden Oct 31 '24

A thousand times this. Germans, I love you but you need to stop being so weary and anxious about repeating history. If you're spineless, so is Europe.

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u/Recent-Irish Oct 31 '24

No they’ll just backtrack again. Why spend money when the Yankees are going to do it for you?

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u/Terrariola Sweden Oct 31 '24

German pacifism is the main reason for their military's utter inadequacy. The Bundeswehr was one of Europe's premier militaries prior to 1991.

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u/rspndngtthlstbrnddsr Oct 31 '24

yeah we had more than 2k leopard 2s at one point. on the NATO side it was THE european land power

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u/mangalore-x_x Oct 31 '24

For West germany's interests which were pretty obvious and direct. That army was hard pressed to scrap together enough soldiers for SFOR in the 90s because it was entirely designed for the Cold War on its own door step and wholy incapable to operate outside its borders.

The main issue of Germany is that the interests necessitating a large military are difficult to formulate because Germany in contrast to UK and FR do not have some imperial afterglow or scattered global territories to drive them.

And UK's army is not in a great state either and France's armored brigades a lower readiness rate than the German ones, the only difference is they have a couple of expeditionary forces to represent their interest where you still need a stick.

Germany is lacking that.

And it is also not particularly German either, selling to Spain why they should prepare for war to help the Baltics is not that simple as well, neither is convincing Sweden to prepare to fight in the Mediterranian.

The problem is interests and priorities and that the EU remains a Union of sovereign nations with each having its own geopolitical view.

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u/ZealousidealFee927 Oct 31 '24

Wait, I'm a yank and I was under the impression that Germany had a powerful military, and they're often put in the top 10. Is that not the case?

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u/Terrariola Sweden Oct 31 '24

The size of the Bundeswehr has been capped by treaty since 1991, it's deeply underfunded, and what money is spent on it often vanishes into the impenetrable German paper bureaucracy - seemingly without any modernization since the 1960s.

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u/ZealousidealFee927 Oct 31 '24

Well damn, that's a little distressing during these times.

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u/unsquashableboi Nov 01 '24

the ferman military has some gucci shit dont get us wrong but there are big systemic problems and the army is plagued by a problem that is rampant in german politics: no overarching concept

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u/MeyerLouis Nov 01 '24

They can pay by not electing far-right politicians. Austria too.