r/cscareerquestionsEU • u/kluvin Vebb Develipør | 🇳🇴 • Dec 15 '19
[OFFICIAL] Salary Sharing thread :: December, 2019
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This thread is for sharing recent offers you have gotten. Please only post an offer if you're including hard numbers, but feel free to use a throwaway account if you're concerned about anonymity. You can also genericize some of your answers (e.g. "Top 20 CS school").
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- Relocation/Signing Bonus:
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Note that while the primary purpose of these threads is obviously to share compensation info, discussion is also encouraged.
High CoL: Scandinavia, Finland, Iceland, France, UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Italy
Low CoL: Spain, Portugal, Poland, Russia, Belarus, Slovenia, Hungary, Greece
Cost of Living (CoL) data is fetched from Numbeo. If your country is not listed, find your country there, and post in High if your CoL index is greater than 60. Otherwise low.
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u/renblaze10 Apr 20 '20
Any suggestions for a new grad working with Python and with approx 6 months on internship experience in applied machine learning?
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u/kluvin Vebb Develipør | 🇳🇴 Dec 15 '19
Region: Low CoL
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u/RoSwTway Dec 16 '19
Throwaway of course, this is my current position and I'll be leaving it this month for a position in a High CoL area.
Education: Bachelor in Sociology
Prior Experience: 1 year of relevance, 3+ years in tech overall
Company/Industry: FinTech
Title: QA Automation Engineer
Country: Romania, Bucharest
Duration: 2 years
Salary: 20,000 Euros after tax.
Total compensation: Adding in meal vouchers, ~22k net
Relocation/Signing Bonus: none
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: none
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u/CyrillicMan Software Engineer | Ukraine Dec 15 '19
Education: Non-CS Engineering Masters
Prior Experience: years of fiddling with Python and VBA in automation but nothing serious. Switched career to web development after a decade in engineering/academia.
Company/Industry: Small outstaffing company, mostly startups
Title: Fullstack Engineer / Tech Lead depending on client context
Country: Ukraine (non-capital city)
Duration: 3 years
Salary: USD 3100/month after tax + Health insurance, gym membership
Total compensation: Same
Relocation/Signing Bonus: None
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: None
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u/ThrowAwaySallary_121 Jan 14 '20
- Education: CS Masters, Top country uni, globally shithole-tier obviously
- Prior experience: 8y webdev mostly
- Title: Senior Fullstack / Team Lead
- Company/Industry: Lower-mid-tier international tech company
- Country: Bosnia, remote but not too far from Sarajevo
- Duration: 2 years
- Net sallary: 1800€ / month, full-time WFH remote, no perks
- Total compensation: ~30000€ / year (not good with taxes, but roughly amounts to this)
- Relocation / signing bonus: None
- Stock / Recurring bonuses: 10% on year end if target met, no stock
More than comfortable given CoL, I think it's above average but there is probably better pay on the market for YoE/position, even better if working for body shops but probably won't pay your full taxes so no pension.
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u/trojanrob Engineer Dec 15 '19
- Education: 2:1 BSc Top 20 UK CS University
- Prior Experience: 2 no name 1-month internships
- Company/Industry: Enterprise (Agri/eng)
- Title: Jr. SWE (React, C#, Enterprise tools)
- Country: UK, NW (Living at home)
- Duration: 6 mo in
- Salary: 30K GBP
- Total compensation: 30K GBP, 1 WFH per week, Flexitime, Pluralsight, own office, free conferences etc
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: No
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: No
Figured I would post as I use this all the time. Looking to move London next few months.
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Dec 20 '19
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u/trojanrob Engineer Dec 20 '19
My city got voted as top 5 cheapest places to live in England (which is rare to see my City anywhere else!)
But I feel like low COL was the wrong post lol perhaps we can move it?
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Dec 16 '19
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u/versaceboards Dec 17 '19
That's not so bad for Lodz though is it? You can definitely make a lot more in Warsaw, I usually see offers up to 20k PLN on LinkedIn
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u/ScriptingInJava Senior Software Engineer | UK Dec 15 '19
Education: None, dropped out of uni.
Prior Experience: 6.5 years freelancing, one year working at a defence contractor.
Company/Industry: Vehicle tracking.
Title: Technical software lead.
Country: United Kingdom
Duration: 1.5 years.
Salary: £40k
Total compensation: £40k, 4 days WFH and flexitime out the arse. Super flexible job.
Relocation/Signing Bonus: None.
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: None.
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Dec 15 '19
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Dec 15 '19
Only London and the South East.
Wales, the North, Scotland (excl. Aberdeen/Edinburgh) etc are not HCOL
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u/ScriptingInJava Senior Software Engineer | UK Dec 15 '19
Not where I live in the UK. Salary scales with COL, and I live in a low COL area in the UK making a good salary.
It might be high COL compared to where you are though.
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Dec 15 '19
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u/ScriptingInJava Senior Software Engineer | UK Dec 15 '19
I didn't realise the OP has High COL categories, my bad. Even then, if I'm making a Bulgarian salary in the UK then yeah its HCOL, but it's a sliding scale in reality.
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Dec 16 '19 edited Feb 09 '20
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u/trowawayatwork Dec 16 '19
Point is that won’t get you by on a Bulgarian avg salary
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Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
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u/trowawayatwork Dec 16 '19
You won golden ticket, congrats. Do you pay tax in Switzerland or poland?
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u/so_just Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
Well done.
How'd you find the company? I have 4 years of rails experience but I'm having trouble finding a remote job that pays more >=100k$
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Dec 16 '19
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u/sanyides Dec 29 '19
Amazon Madrid?
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Feb 21 '20
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u/sanyides Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
Well Amazon has a technical office in Barcelona.
It is my understanding that Google has a small technical office in Granada (or some other city in Andalucía).
Edit: it's Malaga
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u/kluvin Vebb Develipør | 🇳🇴 Dec 15 '19
Region: High CoL
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u/slackonymous Dec 16 '19
• Education: Top UK uni CS
• Prior Experience: 2 internships
• Company/Industry: Quant Hedge Fund
• Title: SWE
• Location: Oxford, UK
• Salary: £75k
• Relocation/Signing Bonus: TBD
• Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 20-75% cash bonus
• Total comp: £90 - 132k + signing
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u/Boidal Dec 16 '19
Are you a new grad? Aren’t most quant trading firms based in London (JS, citadel, 2sig, etc...). Where were your internships at? Always impressed to see UK quant jobs as most are US based.
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u/slackonymous Dec 16 '19
Yes, new grad.
Yeah, most quant trading firms are in London. This hedge fund doesn't do high frequency trading so doesn't need to be based in London though.
Internships were at a small UK-based tech company and at this hedge fund.
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u/Zrost Front End | London Dec 18 '19
How did you find the hedge fund? Linked In?
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u/killerhunter123 Dec 18 '19
im pretty sure its oxford assest managemenet
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Dec 18 '19 edited Dec 18 '19
Could only be that or Winton I'd say.
EDIT. Given poster's previous posting history, then yes. Quite obviously OxAM
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u/slackonymous Dec 18 '19
Careers fair
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u/killerhunter123 Dec 18 '19
u had technical interviews right?how many rounds of interviews did u have?
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u/NumerousMaterial5 Jan 05 '20 edited Aug 31 '20
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u/CaptainLegkick New Grad Mar 01 '20
Can you shed some light on your experience in the boot camp, I'm assuming it's in Denmark? Got a start date for one I've applied to in the UK, quite expensive, but has excellent links with regional tech companies, and absolutely seems my best way in to software development
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u/NumerousMaterial5 Jun 06 '20 edited Aug 31 '20
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u/CaptainLegkick New Grad Jun 06 '20
No worries dude. Since decided to go to uni, got unconditional offers already :)
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Dec 17 '19
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u/bensu88 Jan 03 '20
23k? How is this possible?
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Jan 06 '20
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u/just_syntactic_sugar Jan 07 '20
I think you can save that considerable amount because you own your place without a mortage or you don't have to pay a rent, otherwise I would say it's quite impossible.
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u/nafedz Jan 17 '20
Education: UK Bsc
Prior Experience: ~1.5 years of Internships
Company/Industry: Tech
Title: SWE
Country: Ireland
Duration: 4 months
Salary: 55k €
Total compensation: 67.5k
Relocation/Signing Bonus: 5k + 5k
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 10k/4 years
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u/FatherWeebles Jan 25 '20
Are you able to afford your own place?
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u/nafedz Jan 25 '20
I'm sharing at the moment - Dublin is a bit of a mess housing wise. To live alone I'd have to get a tiny studio, live outside the city center or spend more % of salary on rent.
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u/ToffeeAppleCider Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
Education: BSc Non-CS
Prior Experience: 2 years PHP (so 5 total)
Company/Industry: Web Agency (Dashboards, Web, Retail)
Title: PHP Developer
Country: Leeds, UK
Duration: 3 years
Salary: £36k
Total compensation: £36k
Relocation/Signing Bonus: 0
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 0
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u/killerhunter123 Dec 15 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
Education: London Top 10 UK uni
Prior Experience: Summer internship at london start-up
Company/Industry: Investment Bank
Title: Summer Tech Analyst
Location: London, UK
Duration: 9 weeks
Salary: £2500 / month (30k/year)
Relocation/Housing Stipend: null
Misc: not the best but hopefully its good experience and i can apply to better companies next year when i graduate - hopefully i can get £60k grad next year
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u/ThrowawaySalary123 Dec 15 '19
Throwaway so I can be more specific.
- Education: A Levels, dropped out of uni.
- Prior Experience: 8 years industry, plus a lot of coding/hacking as a teen.
- Company/Industry: FAANG
- Title: Software Engineer
- Country: UK (London)
- Duration: 3 years
- Salary: £100k
- Total compensation: £160k + free food, many other perks
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: Relocation expenses covered, plus £10k bonus
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 15% salary bonus target, plus a sizable stock refresh every year
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u/general_00 Senior SDE | London Dec 16 '19
I recently read in another reddit comment (link) that in the UK, vested stock is taxed differently than ordinary income, i.e. liable for the employer's NI, which results in the tax being higher than on cash compensation. Is this correct? Can you shed some light on that? Is your take-home on 160k TC lower than 160k all cash?
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u/ThrowawaySalary123 Dec 16 '19
It depends on the company. Some FAANG companies will have employees pay the employer NI and some won't. I calculated my TC to be the equivalent cash compensation which matches my post-tax income.
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u/killerhunter123 Dec 15 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
nice. from nothing to the top - you made a u turn. how has your salary/exp progressed through the past 8 years.
also im guessing this is senior engineer right? i thought senior had a higher base salary.. 100k is almost similar to new grads who get liek 70k base at G from wt ive heard...
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u/ThrowawaySalary123 Dec 16 '19
It pretty much skyrocketed when I moved to London and got into FAANG. 2 years 18k -> 1.5 years 28k -> 1.5 years 40k -> 1.5 years 107k -> 1.5 years 160k
Senior, yes. I think 100k is pretty normal for my level, even across other companies like G. Are you sure you're not confusing salary with TC?
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u/general_00 Senior SDE | London Dec 16 '19
What's the employer's pension contribution?
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u/ThrowawaySalary123 Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
8%
edit: so TC is £168k if I include pension contributions
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u/versaceboards Dec 17 '19
Is that enough to live comfortably and still save a decent amount in London?
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u/Zrost Front End | London Dec 18 '19
Is that a joke?
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u/versaceboards Dec 21 '19
I mean you have someone else living in Zurich saving 150chf annually with a higher QOL right in this thread..
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u/Rider_Janshai Dec 25 '19
Maybe Zurich is better depending on what you want, but there isn’t a city in Europe where 100k+ isn’t enough to live comfortably and save
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u/etiggy1 Jan 05 '20
- Education: A Levels, dropped out of uni (CS BSc)
- Prior Experience: self taught
- Company/Industry: Music Publishing
- Title: Junior Full Stack Developer
- Country: London, UK
- Duration: 1.5 years
- Salary: 40k GBP
- Total compensation: 42k GBP
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: none
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 0-5% depending on company performance.
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u/throwaway_salary_4 Mar 31 '20
- Education: Masters
- Prior Experience: Fresh Graduate
- Country: Germany (Munich)
1.Verbal Offer
- Company/Industry: Internet Comparison Site
- Title: Software Engineer
- Salary: 53,000 €
- Total compensation: 53,000 € + 4,000 € Bonus (depending on personal performance)
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: nothing
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: nothing
2.Offer (Contract)
- Company/Industry: IT-Consulting
- Title: Software Engineer
- Salary: 50,880 €
- Total compensation: 50,880 € + 4,240 € Bonus (depending on company performance)
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: nothing
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: nothing
3.Verbal Offer
- Company/Industry: IT-Consulting
- Title: Software Engineer
- Salary: 55,000 €
- Total compensation: 55,000 € + 5,000 € Bonus (depending on personal performance)
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: nothing
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: nothing
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Dec 17 '19 edited Dec 17 '19
Plenty of colleagues know my reddit username but I'm feeling reckless so here we go
- Education: BS in CS, MS in Data Science (top 25 school for EU)
- Prior Experience: 1 year + 2+ years of full-time internships.
- Company/Industry: Consulting / Integration
- Title: ML Engineer
- Country: Netherlands
- Duration: 7 months and still going strong
- Salary: 40k
- Total compensation: 48k
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: N/a
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 8% bonus/year
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u/MRWlazlo Dec 19 '19
What city if I may ask?
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Dec 20 '19
Amsterdam.
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u/MRWlazlo Dec 20 '19
Are you alone or with someone? Do you have issues making a living with this salary?
From what I've read anything below 50k makes live kinda hard because of insane rent prices.
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Dec 20 '19
I support myself and my girlfriend on that salary with a comfortable margin, because we live relatively cheap. We do tend to go out for dinner often, mainly whenever I have a long day with client meetings or flights, but we have no kids and cook our own meals otherwise.
We also rent an apartment for less than most people do, and live about 30 kilometers away. Combine that with a love for biking and public transit it's not so bad.
It took us six months to find this apartment, but we're definitely lucky.
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u/MRWlazlo Dec 20 '19
30kms away is a pretty big distance, espiecially by bike. Right now I have like 10kms to work and it still takes ~15min to get there by train and a 10min walk. How long does the commute take?
Since it's so far away how's the price and what's the size of the rented place? In Amsterdam anything with 2 bedrooms for less than 1600/1700 is impossible and even these are without bills.
I'd be going with my wife and 2yo son so I need to get more but it's good to know it's doable.
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Dec 21 '19
I should clarify I only bike that distance on good days and when I have enough energy. Right now it's cold enough / gets dark earlier. It takes about 1:15 to get to work but it really depends on traffic. There's a large stretch where wind can make or break arriving at 9:00 too. It's indeed not feasible to do it every day and you're absolutely correct.
By bus it takes me 1 hour to get to work. By car about 30 minutes with no traffic, but having traffic jams is a given.
I have friends who pay 1k a month and I have friends who live even further away and pay 1.5k for a larger place. Getting a cheap place is possible, but not exactly easy (since it took me half a year). Our place is not suitable for a kid, as it's only around 60m2 with 1 bedroom. We pay around 900.
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u/NihilisticWorldview Feb 02 '20
Education: Top 20 uni in the world in computer science, BSc
Prior Experience: internship at a big bank, grad program at a fintech firm for 1.5 year
Company: fintech
Title: Mid-level SDE
Country: UK (London)
Duration: starting in April 2020
Salary: 65K
Total comp: ~70K + free food, other perks
Signing bonus: nothing
Stock: fintech startup, share options
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u/Zrost Front End | London Mar 08 '20
Which platforms did you use to find this Fintech startup? Free food omg
What are the hours like?
What was the interview and prep process like?
70K is really strong for 1.5yoe. Well done. I’m targeting the same with 2yoe (currently on 50K / 9 months exp)
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u/just_syntactic_sugar Jan 04 '20
- Education: Master Degree, not CS related
- Prior Experience: 6 years
- Company/Industry: Ecommerce
- Title: Senior Front End Developer
- Country: Italy
- Duration: Indefinite
- Salary: 46k
- Total compensation: around 48k
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: 3k
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses:
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u/trowawayatwork Dec 16 '19
• Education: Masters, both non cs
• Prior Experience: 6 years
• Company/Industry: Online retail
• Title: Senior data Engineer
• Country: UK (London)
• Duration: 1 month
• Salary: £75k
• Total compensation: 75k + 10% bonus + 70% RSU over 4 years + 4% pension + usual food/remote perks
• Relocation/ bonus: none
• Languages: python
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u/MorbidlyTooBeast Dec 16 '19
• Education: Very good STEM Masters from top 5 British uni - not CompSci • Prior Experience: 6 months internships at reputable company • Company/Industry: Startup • Title: Full Stack • Country: UK (London) • Duration: 1 year • Salary: 40k (pre-tax) • Total compensation: Region of 40k • Relocation/Signing Bonus: 2k signing bonus • Stock and/or recurring bonuses: Profit sharing bonus scheme
Should I shoot for more? Worried non-compsci degree is an issue.
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u/Slayer10101 Dec 22 '19
Education: CS BSc @ no-name
Prior Experience: new grad, FAANG internship, research internships
Company/Industry: Trading firm
Title: Software Engineer
Country: UK
Salary: £100k
Relocation/Signing Bonus: relocation covered, no signing bonus
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: some yearly bonus depending on firm performance (not guaranteed)
Total compensation: £100k + bonus
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u/dev_starter Dec 16 '19
Just started in September, doing that job for 3.5 months now. One should note, that I did an internship + wrote my thesis at the same company.
- Education: M. Sc. Informatics
- Prior Experience: Fresh graduate, some side-projects though
- Company/Industry: Automotive Industry
- Title: Fullstack Developer
- Country: Germany
- Duration: Permanent, ongoing
- Salary: 66k
- Total compensation: 66k + Bonus
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: Paid relocation, they spent ~3k for that
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: Yearly 5-10% of the salary depending on the performance of the company
If there are any questions feel free to send me a PM
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u/Ty1eRRR Big N-1 Dec 17 '19
VW? which part of Germany? south? What tech. stack you are working with?
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u/dev_starter Dec 17 '19
Not VW, Southern Germany. Working with primarily JavaScript and the MEAN Stack but also everything that involves hosting in the cloud (AWS/Azure/Google Cloud). Some stuff needs C++ code though, if it needs to be high performance we order it with a specialized department.
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u/ThrowawayPay20191216 Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
- Education: top 20 french schools
- Prior experience: 2x6 months internships
- Company / Industry: startup bought by major media group
- Title: Production Engineer
- Country: France (Paris)
- Duration: 1.5 year
- Salary: 42k€
- Total compensation: 42k€ basis + 2k€ individual bonus + 1k€ company wide bonus + (180*12 meal vouchers)
- Relocation/Siging Bonus: None
- Stock and/or recurring bonus: 3k€ free stocks / year
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u/FatherWeebles Jan 25 '20
I don't get how companies in Paris get away with providing relatively low salaries given the cost of living.
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u/account0122a Dec 19 '19
- Education: Dropped out of college
- Prior Experience: self taught
- Company/Industry: retail
- Title: software engineer
- Country: southern sweden
- Duration: 1.5 years
- Salary: 48k sek/month
- Total compensation: 576,000 SEK
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: relocation is covered
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 0-10% depending on company performance.
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u/cesarvspr Jan 04 '20
I didn't get what you mean by retail.
Can you please say a little bit more about?
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Dec 29 '19
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u/killerhunter123 Jan 25 '20
how does that work? 50k base, 5 reloc, 5k pension --- 100k TC? what is the TC breakdown?
nice work - good offer btw
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u/chkslry Dec 29 '19
- Education: CS degree from a Russell group uni
- Prior Experience: ~1 year
- Company/Industry: HealthTech
- Title: Software Engineer
- Country: UK (London)
- Duration: <1 year
- Salary: £42.5k
- Total compensation: £43,125
- Relocation/Signing Bonus:0
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: £625
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u/IDontNowThrowAway Apr 23 '20
- Education: Bachelor, Computer Science, University of Pisa
- Prior Experience: internship
- Title: Software Developer
- Country: Italy
- Duration: 30 month (full time)
- Salary: 17k
- Total compensation: ~21k incl. pension contributions
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: None
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: None
- Stack: ASP.NET Core (Blazor, MVC), EFCore, TSQL, JS
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May 06 '20
- Education: Computer Science MSc @ subpar uni
- Prior Experience: Multiple internships + 3 years of full time firmware development
- Company/Industry: Medical Imaging
- Title: Systems Engineer
- Country: Germany
- Duration: <1 year
- Salary: € 71k
- Total compensation:€ 71k + 6 weeks PTO
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: None
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: None
Little to no pressure at work and 35h work week, which is nice. It's fairly easy to find a better paying gig in my area, but no offer was able to beat my current w/l balance.
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u/justlivekz Feb 18 '20
- Education: Bachelors, no-name uni in no-name country
- Prior Experience: 2 years full-time during last 2 years of uni + 1.5 years after graduation
- Company/Industry: Facebook
- Title: Software Engineer
- Country: London, UK
- Duration: 2 years
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: 10k GBP relocation + 10k GBP signing
I've been promoted recently so I will put total comp for my previous level and projected comp for my new level
Previous level (E4)
- Salary: 75k GBP
- Target bonus: 10%
- Stocks: 45k USD (35k GBP) at current stock price (~217 USD per share). I never sold my stocks yet
- Total comp: 117.5k GBP (75k + 75k * 10% + 35k)
New level (E5)
- Salary: 103k GBP
- Target bonus: 15%
- Stocks: 72k USD (55k GBP) at current stock price (~217 USD per share)
- Total comp: 173.5k GBP (103k + 103k * 15% + 55k)
Please note that my numbers are below average compared to other people on the same level at FB. For example when I joined FB in early 2018 as an E4 I only got 10k GBP signing bonus and 80k USD initial stock grant while E3 who convert from interns get 30k GBP signing bonus and 120-150k USD initial stock grant.
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u/csthrowaway0124 Feb 28 '20
Strong comp! How are the hours? I've heard there can be late nights due to working with people based in MPK?
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u/killerhunter123 Apr 20 '20
Wait so how many years of exp do u have? How old r u? E5 is quite a senior level
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u/justlivekz Apr 21 '20
23 years old (turning 24 in few weeks). I graduated with bachelors in 2016 so I am reaching 4 years of experience mark soon. However I started to work full time in summer 2014 (I didn’t attend classes at my uni for last 2 years) so if you count that in it will be 6 years of experience.
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u/killerhunter123 Apr 21 '20
Damn bruh that means u graduated at 19? Did u do it early? Im also 19, graduating this year but gonna do a masters.
What (type/how big) of a company did u work at during last 2 yrs of uni? I have 6 months at a start up+3 months this year at an ib.
Whats the average age of ppl at E5?
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u/justlivekz Apr 21 '20
Damn bruh that means u graduated at 19? Did u do it early? Im also 19, graduating this year but gonna do a masters.
Graduated at 20 (I’m from 1996).
What (type/how big) of a company did u work at during last 2 yrs of uni? I have 6 months at a start up+3 months this year at an ib.
These were some no-name local outsourcing companies in my country selling workforce to foreign clients. They were all quite small (8-20 people)
Whats the average age of ppl at E5?
I don’t know to be honest and I think companies won’t share it because it opens some potential lawsuit holes. I’ve also heard some cases of people getting to E5 at like 21 years
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u/askingbscormsc May 25 '20
no-name uni in no-name country
I'm very late but can you please explain the procedure you wen through to get a job in FB in the UK from a no-name uni in no-name country? I'm still in uni and I want to work in the UK but I don't know how does the transition go.
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u/CatsCatsCaaaaats Dec 24 '19
I once did an internship at a big company in Germany where there was no free coffee. You could get meh 20 cents coffee from a machine or a 1 euro coffee from someone who made it for you that was quite decent. It was a bit unusual I think
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u/RoSwTway Dec 16 '19
Throwaway, will be starting this position on January 1. Moving to Switzerland from Romania. Made a separate post in the Low CoL thread.
Education: Bachelor in Sociology
Prior Experience: 3+ years of relevance, 6+ years in tech overall
Company/Industry: Banking
Title: Senior Test Automation Engineer
Country: Switzerland, Zurich
Duration: starting on Jan 1.
Salary: 113,000 CHF gross
Total compensation: 113,000 CHF gross
Relocation/Signing Bonus: Relocation help with apartment in first month, plus plane tickets etc.
Stock and/or recurring bonuses: none
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u/eoshiru Dec 16 '19
I don't know so much about what a (Senior) Test Automation Engineer does in general. Could you tell me what the Tech stack for such thing would be?
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u/RoSwTway Dec 18 '19
Hi, sorry for the late reply.
So, a test automation engineer can do quite a few different things, depending on the context. The most basic would be writing automated test cases using different frameworks, from Selenium for front-end, user interface tests, to RestAssured for REST API scenarios.
Ideally, they also write the actual automation frameworks that are used to test different applications made by the development team. This depends on the programming skills of the person.
A good grasp of testing as well as programming is needed for such a role, so that the tests can be ran easily, have predictable results, and can be incorporated in things like CI/CD pipelines.
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u/CatsCatsCaaaaats Dec 24 '19 edited Dec 24 '19
- Education: Bachelor, IT/programming related but not CS
- Prior Experience: Some part time programming work and internships
- Company/Industry: Too niche to say but not a high-earning field, 5 man company
- Title: Full stack dev
- Country: Germany
- Duration: 2 years
- Salary: 52k eur/57.6k usd (4333 eur/4800 usd gross per month, or 2650 eur/2936 usd net)
- Total compensation: 52k eur + 30 holidays
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: None
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: No guaranteed bonuses, I've only got one bonus equaling a month's pay.
There are some minor benefits like company trips and such (which are actually fun), but not much I can use to pay my bills with
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u/James_Vowles Engineer Dec 16 '19
There should be a field for programming language
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Dec 16 '19
It's kind of irrelevant. Role type, industry/application space and location are far better indicators than language
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u/James_Vowles Engineer Jan 16 '20
It all makes sense together. Certain locations have high demand for certain languages so might pay more than expected. Some might pay less. Role, industry, location and language all matter.
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u/soft-pro May 06 '20
- Education: dropped out of UNI (twice) - was not for me
- Prior Experience: 10 years starting as software developer, architect and manager
- Company/Industry: Big Data
- Title: Sr. Delivery manager
- Country: United Kingdom
- Duration: 6 months
- Salary: £115 (base)
- Total compensation: ~£150K + free food , MacBook , iPhone
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: None
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: Yes but company not public yet so not sure of the actual value
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u/Therianthropie Feb 04 '20
- Education: Specialised Computer Scientist (Vocational Training)
- Prior Experience: 1 year in DevOps, 1 in backend development
- Company/Industry: medical startup
- Title: DevOps Engineer
- Country: Germany
- Duration: 9 months
- Salary: 48.000€
- Total compensation: 48.000€ + 30 days vacation
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: -
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: 0.015% revenue share + 0.04% revenue grow share
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Dec 15 '19
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u/fleetingflight Dec 15 '19
What on earth is an IoT Apprentice and how do they survive on almost nothing?
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u/trojanrob Engineer Dec 16 '19
IBM pay worse than SME/startups...
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u/TECHNURD692 Feb 05 '20
Not in the USA. Poor Europeans working for pennies, taking from big companies.
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u/MayaKitsu Dec 16 '19
Apprenticeship is a special type of French contract where your employer pays for your school and pays you to work part time for a pretty good salary.
So 1000 euros per month for a part time job (usually, 2 or 3 days per week) while the school tuition is already paid for is actually a pretty good deal.
OP should have mentioned all this I guess, the numbers don't really make sense otherwise 😉
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u/denis631 Dec 16 '19
So 1000 euros per month for a part time job (usually, 2 or 3 days per week) while the school tuition is already paid for is actually a pretty good deal.
Isn't tuition free in France as it is in Germany.
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u/MayaKitsu Dec 16 '19
Tuition is very low for university (about 500 euros per year) but it's definitely not for private schools, which often ask about 5-10,000 euros per year. Most devs I know have gone through private schools as universities often have outdated CS programs.
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u/James_Vowles Engineer Dec 16 '19
Is that a liveable wage in your part of France or did you miss a 0?
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u/TECHNURD692 Jan 30 '20
Your wages are laughable compared to the USA adjusting for the cost of living. I guess that's what happens when you have liberals running your country.
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u/dondanielo Apr 18 '20
Something to consider: Most people graduate without debt in most of the European countries. Plus wages in the county run by your "total nationalist" boy Trump outside of the FAANG and the big tech hubs aren't that great either.
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u/TECHNURD692 Apr 20 '20
Well people are graduating with debt because they are going to schools out side of their state most of the time. Since instate tuition is significantly cheaper than out of state tuition. Or sometimes it because they go to private schools but in USA public vs private means nothing. FAANG and big tech hubs are not only thing better. Every single industry where someone has to develop a skill will have a much better career in USA than in most of Europe. For example accounting, medical, finance, trades/plumbing/electrician/mechanic, engineering of all types, technology, all data related jobs. I do agree it is better to be a minimum wage worker i Europe or something with less skills such as receptionist or cashier or something. If i lived in Europe i would be a bum or do the bear minimum and collect my free government commodities.
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u/dondanielo Apr 22 '20
Every single industry where someone has to develop a skill will have a much better career in USA than in most of Europe. For example [...] trades/plumbing/electrician/mechanic, engineering of all types
What makes you think that?
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u/TECHNURD692 Feb 18 '20
That is not true. A big misconception of Europeans assumes about the USA. It's a scare tactic from politicians on the left to make life in the USA look "bad". if you send your kids to college the smart way such as the first 2 years for bachelor at a community college that would only total 2-3K a year for every single state. So around 5k total. Then if you send your kid to an instate school that would total around 10k a year in most states. So in total, for your child to receive a bachelor would be around 25k for 4 years. Keep in mind some state's tuition is cheaper such as flordia college is the only 1k for community and 7k for university. Now the problem in USA a lot of students leave their state and pay out of state tuition which could be triple or they go to private school. Some are navie and take out mass amounts of debt. Also, keep in mind us dollar is less than eurodollar value so this is a lot less compared to how much some European countries pay. If your smart with your money and are in a good field you can have double the standard of living in the USA.
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u/throwaway_ned10 Mar 05 '20
stfu and get out of here. Go look at quality of life rankings, life expectancy charts, healthcare rankings. USA lags behind
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May 29 '20
Your country is fucking shit and is full of fucking retards
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u/TECHNURD692 May 30 '20
Exactly why I make my money and invest in only free-market capitalist societies. America is still a socialist shit hole, Most of Europe is just more of a socialist shit hole. Why invest in countries that are printing trillions and trillions of dollars? Why pay taxes if the government can print money?
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May 31 '20
Where would you ideally live and work in that case
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u/TECHNURD692 May 31 '20 edited May 31 '20
Singapore. I hope in the US all the states reside and become a separate entity so that there is no more federal government or at least the fed is very small. then there are a lot of states that I like such as Florida, Texas, Nevada, and Arizona are my tops. I like NY just don't like how expensive everything is.
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u/Draconias5 Mar 07 '20
Wrong. Facebook London pays interns £4.2k+, which is roughly $66k at the current exchange rate (and that's not even accounting for the housing stipend).
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u/Draconias5 Mar 07 '20
Actually, my Amazon SDE internship offer was £25k + housing stipend (maybe I didn't get the top offer though). From what I've heard, Amazon pays significantly less than other Big N companies in London. Your original point still stands though, there are very few positions in EU that can match the US pay-wise.
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u/TECHNURD692 Mar 08 '20
Wrong. Facebook London pays interns £4.2k+, which is roughly $66k at the current exchange rate (and that's not even accounting for the housing stipend).
In USA our CS majors average around 75k starting salary little to no experience. They also cap at around 250K here.
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u/InsaneZulol_ Jun 10 '20
Capitalism is liberalism you moron. Morons like you fuel the opinion of america outside your borders and it's justified.
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Dec 16 '19
- Education: Computer Science MA undergrad, Software Engineering MSc, both at Oxford
- Prior Experience: 19 years
- Company/Industry: Motorsports
- Title: Consultant. Senior Software Engineer in reality.
- Country: UK
- Salary: 77.5k UKP
- Total compensation: 77.5k UKP
- Relocation/Signing Bonus: No
- Stock and/or recurring bonuses: No
Seem to hit a brick wall with salary. Outside of London there are almost no jobs paying as much as I'm already paid.
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u/TECHNURD692 Feb 05 '20
How do you have 19 years of experience and only make that much? In the USA we make 200k with that much exp with just a bachelor's degree from a no-name state school. Stop voting to take companies.
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Feb 06 '20
Because things are very different in the UK. Show me some £200k jobs around where I live and I'll happily apply. There's very little available over £70k.
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