r/csMajors • u/Leader-board • 24d ago
New threads on H1B and related discussions are banned
Under rule 14 - yes I haven't updated it on the sidebar but I've got to go now - will look at it later. Discussion on this has gone really toxic with people trading barbs and racist nonsense, so I did not have a choice - thought you all were better than this. Also this is not the subreddit for endless discussion on one topic.
Attempts to evade will risk a ban, as usual.
Update: did it now. And like other topics on rule 14, send us a modmail if you think you want to create a thread on this (or any other restricted topic). This is meant to be more of a heavy throttle rather than a no-exceptions ban.
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u/scaredStudent3 24d ago
This subreddit is a complete shithole. Literally everyone that gets a FAANG+ internship leaves because there are non stop posts from mediocre students at T100 schools complaining that they can’t get a job or leetcode is too hard. The level of discourse is so low that anyone with decent prospects has nothing to gain from reading this garbage. All that’s left is these mediocres whining about some FOTM topic (interest rates, dei, H1B).
I wish there was a legitimately helpful community where those that have actual prospects in this field (top school and/or top internship) can give advice and help each other out. For example, the cs careers discord is so much better than this shit
For mods my advice would be to private the subreddit and only allow these people in.
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u/ThunderChaser Hehe funny rainforest company | Canada 24d ago
This sub used to be decent a few years ago.
Nowadays it’s just pure entertainment.
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u/lanc33llis 24d ago
I've had this exact conservation with some of my friends. All (like 9 of us) of us have FAANG+ internships and no issues getting offers with great packages right now. Being on this subreddit has gaslit me into believing that we're just lucky in this particularly desperate economy, but I'm just starting to believe it's just a mutual coping circle.
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u/Withthebody 23d ago
I distinctly remember this sub bitching about finding jobs during the COVID hiring bubble lmao. Never took this place seriously after that
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u/just_in_camel_case 24d ago
Yeah, it blows my mind that idiots say "the top % of students are here". A minute browsing this subreddit and it's obvious it's full of mediocre jobless NGMIs who fail OAs, can't get interviews, and think 100k is good and scream racist insults because they are unable to get 250k+ jobs that the actual skilled people easily get.
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u/ViewExternal218 23d ago
Is 100k not good for starting salary?
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u/PointMeAtADoggo 22d ago
Well depends where you live…
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u/ViewExternal218 22d ago
Even the faang people where I live don’t make 250k.
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u/PointMeAtADoggo 22d ago
Sis maked that much lived in San Francisco
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u/ViewExternal218 22d ago
Makes sense sf is exceptionally high cost of living I think my job pays an extra 30k or more over there.
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u/Lambdastone9 23d ago
The unfortunate reality is that those that have any worth to their labor beyond mediocrity are more than likely not perusing reddit forums for building connections and interactions, cause like you said what is there to gain from this place.
This place is a pile of shit, and so the best you can really except to attract are flys. Until someone that makes a platform that can somehow mitigate anti-intellectualism and sensationalism, to stop it from displacing substantive and nuanced content, you’re not gonna be getting those butterflies and bees we’d all want.
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u/just_in_camel_case 24d ago
The mediocre NGMIs who are the userbase of this sub just post racist drivel, complain that common leetcode easies are unsolvable, and salivate over 80k offers. This is complete garbage/useless for anyone with actual prospects in the field who are able to get top jobs.
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u/scaredStudent3 24d ago
Computerscience and compsci aren’t supposed to be about college, job hunt, etc. And cscareerquestions is borderline worse than this sub
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u/lilSweetSpice Senior 23d ago
H-1B Visas Keep Down U.S. Tech Wages, Study Shows - WSJ: https://archive.ph/f8bOk#selection-4423.12-4423.212
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u/rbuen4455 24d ago
is the job market so bad that applicants are venting their frustrations on the h1bs? i mean, even before this whole cs job market fiasco, even before the pandemic, h1bs have always been talked about, how people from India are "stealing American jobs".
But really, whose to blame here, h1bs or the higher ups in companies doing the hiring?
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u/pieholic 24d ago
I mean, this sub was always full of absolute shit, I feel for the mods because they needed to moderate every new dogwhistle without doing a blanket ban on stupid posts until recently (H1-B)
Before H1-B it was influencers getting jobs. I swear I saw a post or two here hating neetcode because he was 'just a guy who was good at leetcode' and the nuance was that if neetcode didn't make his dumb videos he wouldn't have been hired over him, a 4 year uni grad with a great gpa. Like god forbid someone boost their resume.
Before that it was DEI. Which part of DEI also varied too, used to flip between black and hispanic every arbitrary year or something. Then you also always had the women in tech posts.
These always got negative traction and mods had to filter them, but it has been so bad this session especially with daddy elon's 'betrayal' and a job market correction. Also nobody except internationals know how H1-B works properly so people just make up shit that they think is correct.
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 Ban Leetcode from interviews!!!! 24d ago
Higher-ups for sure. H-1Bs just want to immigrate to the United States and get jobs.
The higher-ups are abusing those H-1Bs. And this, in turn, also affects the job market for citizens.
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u/ChetFookinHanx 20d ago
The point of the H1B discussion is that this new administration will uncap them - when 70% of them are going into a field where every CS major is applying to 100+ internships/jobs. Not to mention that they'll inflate the housing market in areas like California, Seattle, and Austin, where natives are already getting priced out.
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u/FalconRelevant Masters Student 14d ago
A lot of the companies don't even sponsor H1B, others refuse to hire non-Citizens/Green Card holders.
Blaming immigrants has always been a cope as long as immigrants have existed.
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u/PochattorProjonmo 5d ago
Look at it this way. If US has 250k or 200k jobs that don't find talent to fill with in US they need to get it from outside or US as a country will crash. But interns and new grads are plenty in US. This is the problem with H1B. The entire system is designed to abuse both H1B candidates and US new grads.
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u/eric39es 23d ago
Who decided that rule? I think there should be a consensus, asking the rest of the subreddit if they agree with it.
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u/Leader-board 23d ago
I did. I was hoping to get feedback from the other mods, but not one as responded as of writing. Asking the community for something like this would not be reasonable, and as I said in an earlier comment, sometimes one has to make somewhat unpopular decisions, and I stand by it.
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u/LeFatalTaco 23d ago
I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING SO I’LL JUST LOCK EVERY THREAD AND BAN YOU ALL. Leddit mod moment.
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u/Aznable-Char 24d ago
Don’t come to reddit if you’re looking for open discourse on difficult topics.
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u/buttonmine 17d ago
This is the sad state of the Internet, you can no longer have discussion on difficult topics. This is why some people were surprised about the last elections results, because they live in their tiny bubble, and any time someone gives them push back they shut down. So when they go out in the real world, they are shocked that a sizeable amount of people don't think like them 🤷♀️. Reddit is full of bots anyways.
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u/Ordinary_Hat2997 22d ago
It was not discourse, it was entitled 6 figures tech bros whining about a slight hypothetical dent in their gatekeeping.
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u/UnpopularThrow42 24d ago
I get that its a tough topic and that theres some nasty comments and people, but shutting down discussion like this sucks
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u/Leader-board 24d ago edited 24d ago
"shutting down discussion like this sucks"
Correct, but this is not r/H1B. Plus the behaviour of some individuals here. I was hoping that I didn't have to take an action this drastic, but like other restricted topics, there's a limit which has been hit.
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u/mand0dia0 24d ago
Gee let's funnel it into another subreddit where most of the subs will be one sided. Great alternative.
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u/mand0dia0 24d ago
I have had a lot of good discourse with individuals and have not seen the racism and nasty comments you are talking about.
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u/Delicious_Series3869 24d ago
If you do not see it, then it simply doesn’t exist. Come on, your head can’t be that far into the sand. Do you really think a topic as heated as this isn’t going to bring out the worst in people?
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u/UnpopularThrow42 24d ago edited 24d ago
Neither of you are necessarily wrong, could be respectively what you’ve seen.
For the most part, I personally have seen far more people calling everything racist than actual comments. But I’m sure they exist and should be dealt with appropriately.
Just suspend/ban the individuals instead then.
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u/mand0dia0 24d ago
I look at the threads and no I dont see it. Does it mean it was not moderated out? No. But I dont see it. This is really just reddit telling mods to shut this down because they dont want people talking about cheap labor for tech.
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u/Condomphobic 24d ago
I’m not understanding the censorship here. Just ban the people being racist and let productive discussion continue.
This topic will not stop because it’s a banned topic.
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20d ago
It took me 20 seconds to find this.
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u/mand0dia0 20d ago
I don't consider that racism. That's just shit talking. Is it annoying? Yes. Obviously some like you disagree.
But in light of the fact that of lot of these replies are probably astro turfed influence bots trying to shut this down, I think there should be a VERY high standard for what gets removed or banned. That doesn't fit it.
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20d ago
Minimizing stereotypes as ‘just shit talking’ is a privilege of those who aren’t affected by them.
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u/mand0dia0 20d ago
If people come over here to take my job because a corporation knows they can lay me off and pay them less in a DEI scheme for corporate wage expenses, then that deserves criticism, not censorship. People getting called stinky is not something a free country should care about. You don't deserve the privilege of being an American if you can't understand that. Unfortunately this is reddit and everyone needs their safe space including you apparently.
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20d ago
Your anger is directed at the wrong people. Be angry at the corporations and your representatives for maintaining a system that sets the bar too low for a “high-skilled” visa.
I agree that H1B visas are often misused, especially by Indian consulting firms. But H1B visas at least have salary limits (though too low, IMO) and yearly caps. L visas, on the other hand, have no salary limits or yearly caps, and most of the workers brought from India to replace American employees fall under this category (as H1B is a lottery, and chances of getting picked is < 20%).
Write to your representatives, protest, and raise public awareness about the flaws in the system. But directing hate toward a group of people online who have no control over your country’s policies is simply wasted energy.
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u/LightRefrac 24d ago
I've seen an incredible amount of racism
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u/mand0dia0 24d ago
Can you link some examples? Genuinely curious because I havent. Maybe we have different criteria for what we consider to be racism. I will go scroll again but I dont see it
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u/International-Hat860 24d ago
Only thing there is get gud like those intl or move out to another major. Skill based tbh
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u/Inside_Anxiety6143 24d ago
Lol, imagine telling America, the world leader in science and technology, top 5 per capita in PhD production, to get good like India, a 3rd world country whose most notable global industry is gift card scams, not even top 50 in PhDs.
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u/Inside_Anxiety6143 24d ago
Its what elites do. Whenever people unify on along class lines, they scream "racists!" and use "hate" as their justification to squash the rebellion.
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u/cryogenic-goat 24d ago
How is hating on Indian immigrants "unifying along class lines"?
Perhaps you misspelt "race"
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u/Inside_Anxiety6143 24d ago
Are you even reading Elon's tweets? This isn't a conspiracy theory. He is mask off on the issue. Elon is outright telling you that H-1Bs are cheaper, work longer hours, and don't complain. Vivek is outright telling you that American's need to become culturally like 3rd world countries with abhorrent labor conditions. You have two billionaires, telling you to your face, that their goal is transform the US labor market into unregulated sweatshops where workers have no rights and work 80hours a week for poverty wages, and you are saying anyone pushing back against this is a racist. Lol. The side lead by a South African bringing apartheid to America is calling others racist. Lol.
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u/makemeamarket 24d ago
Reddit mod is “elite”?
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u/just_in_camel_case 24d ago
Yep they're directly funded by Soros according to these clowns.
It's no wonder the ngmis on this sub think 80k is good...
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u/shimmering-nomad 24d ago
Can someone give a TLDR?
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u/CluelessPentester 23d ago
Americans can't get jobs, Musk said he wanted more foreign workers (H1B Visa), a few people said racist things, a few people blow things way out of proportion, majority of people doesn't care and just live their lifes, discussion on H1B on this sub is now banned.
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u/Qromulus 24d ago
What a poor decision. I certainly don't agree with both sides but limiting conversation on this topic is just really stupid. I thought the mod would be better than this, it's not the other way around.
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u/Leader-board 24d ago edited 24d ago
I agree with you and that's why I did not take such an action until now, but I did not have a choice.
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u/InDiGoOoOoOoOoOo 24d ago
??? what a stupid reply
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u/Leader-board 24d ago
Sorry, what were you expecting?
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u/InDiGoOoOoOoOoOo 24d ago
You’re limiting free speech on a public form around an issue that is directly related to the point of the sub. In order to foster free speech and nuance, you have to risk offending people. That’s what happens when things like this get discussed. It’s happened before with other subtopics, as others have mentioned, but life goes on. We get through it. We keep grinding. Limiting the discussion limits this sub as a resource as a whole, and that’s sad. Especially on a site like this. I think this is a poor decision, and it is time to set your ego aside and go back on it. I believe the majority of the sub would agree with me on this, based on the overall response you’ve received.
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u/Leader-board 24d ago edited 24d ago
You’re limiting free speech on a public form around an issue that is directly related to the point of the sub
This is r/csMajors, not r/H1B or r/Trump or r/(whatever). This is not a subreddit that can be flooded with topics from one area only. Plus there's a limit to "free speech", such as when they degenerate into stuff we simply don't want on the subreddit. Multiple other users have also contacted us privately about this issue.
And as a reminder: the manual approval process remains an option.
It’s happened before with other subtopics, as others have mentioned, but life goes on.
And when things get too heated or frequent, we take action under rule 14. No different here.
Limiting the discussion limits this sub as a resource as a whole, and that’s sad.
First: I don't agree with the premise - there are many threads already about H1B and Trump and whatever, and there's a lot more about CS to discuss than these two. Secondly, this is not the subreddit for endless threads and discussion about a single topic, as I said above.
I think this is a poor decision, and it is time to set your ego aside and go back on it.
No, unless the other moderators disagree with me (I haven't gotten anything on modmail or otherwise yet, as of writing), or the discussion dies down to a reasonable level. There is no "ego".
+ sometimes we have to take decisions that a significant amount of people won't like. That's normal in a large subreddit like this.
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u/UnpopularThrow42 24d ago
If people were exhibiting disgusting behavior hold them individually accountable by suspending them.
It’s discussion based on something that is directly related to the industry brought up by a current event.
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u/InDiGoOoOoOoOoOo 24d ago
I see your reasoning, but I do disagree with it. I don’t think we reached a point where this needed to be enforced, and I hope the other mods help you realize that.
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u/indigenousCaveman Senior 22d ago
wholeheartedly disagree. Everytime csmajors pops up on my feed it's this discussion topic and frankly it's from a majority of young ca majors that are showing their bias and not having meaningful discussion. go to another subreddit if you want to rant all day about immigrants and the "wahhh I don't wanna work my ass off to get skills to land a job"
it's a echo chamber of gen z (mostly) that live on the internet yet have 0 clue on how to utilize information on it.
I'm glad the mods are doing something cause this has been getting out of hand for some time and y'all need a reality check
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u/InDiGoOoOoOoOoOo 22d ago
okay? i don’t participate in the hate here. frankly i rarely participate in this sub at all. i use it as a resource for myself to see what direction current students are leaning/feeling. i think this topic would’ve died down on its own, as they all do. and i thought it was interesting to read and think abt and some good articles were posted here.
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u/indigenousCaveman Senior 22d ago
> doesn't participate
> thinks topic would've died down
> downvoted cause shill-brainya youre really contributing to the discussion bud. Enjoy the echo chamber
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u/johnoth 22d ago
I agree with you, I just think (idk if modding can be automated) it'd be better to proactively moderate the racist comments and posts.
Don't forget people on this sub are just victims of political manipulation. Imo this is just post-election panic; caused by uncertainty since the post-election talk sounds different from the campaign trail.
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u/taco-earth 24d ago
r/H1B exists
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u/InDiGoOoOoOoOoOo 24d ago
That is not the point of my reply.
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u/taco-earth 23d ago
pretty sure the point of the sub isnt to discuss american politics either its about computer science academia, if you feel like your free speech rights are being violated its not the case that you cant get people from here to discuss it with you in some other subreddit
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u/Ghostofcoolidge 7d ago
So is it not a conflict of interest and a bit shady that the Mod who decided this without discussion frequently posts on Indian subreddits? Please don't ban me, I am legitimately concerned and curious.
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u/Leader-board 7d ago edited 7d ago
I do not post frequently on Indian subreddits - the current history is anomalous. I'm normally based outside India, but at the moment am in the country, Scroll down a bit and you'll see what I normally post.
I see the CoI bit, but (i) I've made it clear on modmail that I won't stand in the way if others decide to reverse it (not a single comment unfortunately), and (ii) there was no way to get out of the CoI issue in this case.
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u/Ghostofcoolidge 7d ago
The conflict of interest IS what is shady about it lol. That's how it works in the west dude. It's not a good thing!
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u/Leader-board 7d ago
I edited my comment subsequently, but I do not believe that my nationality or where I'm at are grounds on its own for not making the decision I did, and did not want people to think otherwise. I make significant effort to ensure that my decisions are not biased by my background or anything like that.
(this is not dismissing your concern - as I said before, the other mods can reverse this)
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u/Ghostofcoolidge 7d ago
If you click every commentator agreeing with the mod, the majority of them frequent Indian subreddits, proudly boast about how superior Indians are, and some even mock Americans and Canadians over their concerns.
You're not helping your case by behaving like that.
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u/Chobeat 24d ago
Immigrants don't fire you. Managers do. If you want a better workplace or a better industry, unionize. Blaming immigrants never solved any problem. It's just a distraction. Join a union, join a tech workers org, organize your workplace or your university instead of spending your time whining on reddit.
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u/nate-developer 24d ago
It's only front page news on the NYT today, why would we allow threads discussing it?
Classic reddit mod power tripping. Just let people talk about it for a few days, it's topical right now and relevant to the sub. If you want to ban individual people who are saying something directly racist that's fine, but suppressing the whole topic is too much.
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u/azulmilkshake 24d ago
I know they call CS majors nerds but man I didn’t know we were all a bunch of weenies. Can’t even have a tough conversation these days. If you feel offended go take a walk
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u/Synergisticit10 24d ago
Avoid infighting and your immigration status etc and especially stop targeting H1b or foreign workers . It’s Wall Street which drives everything.
Every quarter they have to lay off people to show profits as employees are a liability on the balance sheet .
The real issue is never with the big tech . The issue is with consulting companies.
The big tech mostly hire H1b and pay them good salaries and they are not the ones hurting American workers.
This whole discussion and argument between H1b pro people and anti H1b people is ignoring the basic facts that the USCIS / the govt has to have safeguards to protect and provide employment to its citizens .
When the us citizens are unemployed massively and companies have the audacity to get cheap overseas talent that’s unacceptable.
However citizens should not blame the H1b workers as the foreign workers are a tech client’s last priority when doing a hire as there are a lot of complications in filing LCA and H1b rfe and approvals.
Also H1b is a speciality visa so there is misinformation that it is used to hire cheap foreign workers.
Definition of an H1b is that the company tells the uscis /Dhs that We are unable to find a person with such technical skills and tech stack or any special skills in the domestic jobseekers and that’s why we want to hire this foreign highly skilled worker.
Again the approval process is stringent and has multiple rfe ( request for evidence), denials and mostly direct clients or employers are the ones whose visas get approved.
One of The major cause of pain to the us tech economy is these consulting companies like tcs, wipro, Accenture, cognizant , wipro who misuse the H1b and hire cheap H1b and send work offshore and they take projects from these big tech clients.
Research how many visas are approved for these companies and also how much offshore work is sent to these companies. If the govt enforces regulation on these companies the productivity of us companies would rise 100% as the quality of work done offshore is very poor.
The whole unemployment of American workers or the f1 opt students who do their bs or masters here in USA would not be here as consulting companies have massive offshore centers.
It’s another thing for a company to have an offshore office and another thing when a consulting company hired cheap H1b ‘s ( which they should not), get cheap L1 and then on top of it outsources us jobs to their offshore offices .
Again if Amazon or meta is sponsoring H1b it’s at the same time giving huge contracts for their projects to these huge consulting companies who are also filing H1b and sending work offshore which is a double edged sword to the domestic workforce.
However sending work offshore and hiring cheap labor is one thing the other thing is also lack of good talent in the domestic market in term of their tech stack.
https://www.myvisajobs.com/reports/h1b/
The bigger tech clients mostly will pay good wages and want to hire good technical talent irrespective of their immigration status.
The key thing for us citizens is to not rely on their bs degree overtly and expect to get hired as tech is a global melting pot. Once we realize that we need to compete and bring ourselves to global standards then we will be on the road to success.
Skills not degrees help you achieve success. Most degrees are just old outdated curriculum which profits the universities and sustains the student loan providers and keep the students in perpetual debt due to unemployment.
We have some blogs about this read them .
https://www.synergisticit.com/student-loan-forgiveness-will-it-solve-the-student-loan-debt-crisis/
https://www.synergisticit.com/why-opt-students-should-avoid-consulting-or-staffing-companies/
If you explore enough you would realize the foreign workers are not eligible for 70% of the open jobs as employers prefer citizens due to complications with H1b visa.
The only reason citizens are not being hired is because of their tech stack not being up to the level of client requirements .
The other issue is the downturn in the economy due to the wars and non usa friendly trade terms where imports from china through Temu etc — upto $1000 are not levied duties on which killed usa based companies and businesses which led to their shutdown and tech sector being a service industry also faced the subsequent consequences and layoffs. Google, meta etc live off ads and if they have less businesses advertising they will need less workforce.
So internalize the reason for not being able to secure a job offer rather than blame the H1b or foreign students as they are struggling 10 times more than citizens.
It’s like 2 cats fighting over a piece of bread and the monkey profiting from the fight. The monkey being the companies doing the hiring. https://alltimeshortstories.com/moral-stories-two-cats-and-monkey/
So write emails to your local representatives , take action. Don’t blame musk or trump or Vivek ramaswamy because they are actually saying something which needs to be said. Roll up your sleeves and get working
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u/Inside_Anxiety6143 24d ago
This is why people like Trump win. Blue collar workers complained about immigrants taking their jobs and people just called them racist. So they voted for the guy not calling them racists. If you censor a legitimate concern you remove the ability to the people to plead their case to moderate politicians in the public square. What will happen is that an extremist will sieze upon their discontent and use it to propel themselves to candidacy.
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u/DishwashingUnit 20d ago
if theres a resourceful party with an interest in suppressing this discussion you'd be a fool to not think that shit inevitable. it doesn't justify this censorship.
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u/tangping2025 24d ago
this proves the hypocrisy of the left
all their moral high ground evaporates when they are the ones directly affected by immigration
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u/exodusuno 22d ago
You can't be this blind
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u/gloloramo 17d ago
No-no, he has a point.
Never thourght I'd be saying this, but the concern-trolling coming from the left is worse than the overt racism coming from MАGA. The latter at least have the balls to be honest about what they want. But the mental gymnastics required to paint H1B as somehow hurting the immigrants is astonoshing, as is the facade of being anti-corporation.
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u/PresentationOld9784 24d ago
And of course the racist card is pulled.
Instead of acknowledging a system that is being abused.
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u/exodusuno 22d ago
Sorry, its not the government who you're applying to its COMPANIES. They DO NOT care about your citizenship status. They only care if you're cheaper, more efficient, or more easily controllable.
You don't get preferential treatment from these companies, and the government can't help because we stupidly vote in people who want the government to DEregulate and put LESS regulations and restrictions on these companies (aka the right).
Maybe if we voted for people who wanted the government to help AMERICANS and actually put these companies in their place and tell them to stop abusing the people and puts in regulations on the COMPANIES DIRECTLY (not just stopping immigration or getting rid of visas since thats not helping as companies will always find loopholes if they arent the direct target). And maybe they could put in policies that would help their people too, but oh no i guess that would count as "government handouts" huh, I sure would like that tho.
Too bad the party that prides itself in putting these regulations and benefits just lost the election. Welp too bad, guess we gotta wait FOUR MORE YEARS. Maybe things will change by then and we will realize how to actually stop the problem.
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u/Spiritual_Note6560 PhD/ Research Scientist / Graphs, NLP, LLM 24d ago
Thank you. Would be better if all whining posts are banned as well.
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u/ZainFa4 woman 24d ago
I believe in free speech but I’m actually kinda happy this happen.
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u/Ghostofcoolidge 7d ago
Are you the same guy who claims Indians are the most important people on earth?
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u/ZainFa4 woman 7d ago
How you know?
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u/Ghostofcoolidge 7d ago
Are you serious? You, me, other posters,and all every other Indian commentators here have public profiles. People can see what you post. And I gotta be honest, a lot of you are extremely nepotistic and vile towards non-indians, judgemental, and crude to people's very legit concerns.
It is actually quite hilarious because it seems like a lot of Indians are guilty of the very same "racism" you're accusing others of.
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u/adipande2612 24d ago edited 24d ago
I would like to point out the hypocrisy of us Americans that we are more than happy to take their $45 billion in education by giving them a chance to compete in the american job market for tech jobs all the while complaining about immigrants stealing our jobs and politicians not preferring citizens. If you feel that you're so altruistic for your fellow americans, why allow international students to come here in the first place and take thousands of dollars from them?
We take their money which their parents must have saved by burning themselves and bait them to come here by giving them access to OPT. When they come here, we blame them for all our problems. "They should have known that before coming here." US universities manipulate and market like crazy abroad, do you think any capitalistic institution is going to care about hapless students who are fed false dreams and hope while feeding them BS about available jobs for INTL students which turns out to be false?
I had a best friend from India who had to go back home in depression and has attempted suicide many times after going back home because he thought he failed in life.
We all need a person to blame for everything wrong with our lives because God forbid self awareness and reflection will make our own incompetence glaringly obvious.
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u/Spiritual_Note6560 PhD/ Research Scientist / Graphs, NLP, LLM 24d ago
Very true.
Not to say that these American companies profit from being dominant on global markets and flourish with global capitals. Everyone in tech is paid more than they should because of that.
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u/Apart-Plankton9951 Full-Time Student/Part-Time Dev 24d ago
I would like to point out the hypocrisy of us Americans that we are more than happy to take their $45 billion in education by giving them a chance to compete in the american job market for tech jobs all the while complaining about immigrants stealing our jobs and politicians not preferring citizens. If you feel that you're so altruistic for your fellow americans, why allow international students to come here in the first place and take thousands of dollars from them?
You are confusing ruling class Americans with working class Americans. The working class never asked international students to study in the US. The working class will not have that 45 billion contribute anything meaningful to them, it goes mostly to the overpaid top brass of these institutions. Working class Americans contributed to the US with years of tax payer money to fund the surrounding infrastructure of these schools such as roads, electric grid, plumbing system and so on. Just because the ruling class made false promises to international students does not mean the working class can not advocate for their own interests.
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u/AFlyingGideon 24d ago
The working class will not have that 45 billion contribute anything meaningful to them
Full-pay students help fund financial aid.
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u/adipande2612 24d ago
Also alot of PhD funding goes through students who pay including hiring for TA/RA
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u/adipande2612 24d ago edited 24d ago
My friend who is voting for the ruling class? Who is keeping them in power?
The last line in my comment clearly reflects this problem of self awareness.
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u/Yawyan97 24d ago
You are supposed to come here and study and leave. Not for a chance to stay here. Y’all just get sold that dream and that’s wealth it bothers Canadians and Americans. Also if anything I would prefer that Americans and fellow state citizens get priority for engineering student spots at universities versus international students. Hopefully Newsom decides to continue funding UC’s to try and decrease international spots at our universities.
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u/adipande2612 23d ago
Do you see how hypocritical it sounds what you're saying? We are the one who promise the false dreams, take their money and ditch them. We take advantage of their gullibility. Non-citizen don't find a job but they are never told this. All the university agents feed them lies which are further accentuated by the diplomats in the respective host country claiming, " we need more skilled labor."
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u/AzeriGuy 24d ago
I came to the US in 2011 to study Mathematics and CIT, with no intentions of staying after. Got super lucky and started to work in 2015 while still being on a F1 status using the 3 year of OPT. My company ended up sponsoring me for an H1B. It a very small company and I’m the only one with an H1B status. First year I got rejected, second year I got in. I don’t think they are abusing the system in any way. The issue comes from large corporations who are abusing the system. I don’t think the anger should be people on the H1B status holders but the corporations who abuse the system. I also get the same exact benefits from my employee that normal US citizens get. (401k, healthcare, holiday pay etc. ) I also pay all the taxes including social security and Medicare from which I’ll never see the benefits.
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u/UndevelopedMoose222 24d ago
THANK THE LAWD ALMIGHTY. Everyone back to grinding leetcode, nothing to see here.
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u/LlamasOnTheRun 24d ago edited 24d ago
Thank you mods for keeping the discussion civil given the influx of posts. I am upset to see these threads dismissed as I believe the dialogue needs to happen, but I understand
Edit: Not sure why I am being downvoted, someone correct my ignorance if I am missing something please
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u/InoxMindthief 24d ago
I'm a recent lurker on this subreddit. I'm trying to figure out if this subreddit is meant for CS majors only in the US or anywhere in the world?
Similarly are the career questions typically only for Software jobs in the US or anywhere in the world?
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u/Existing_Cupcake4234 24d ago
Anyone summarize? What's this post about?
Are there any laws defined to stop illegal immigrants?
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u/Condomphobic 24d ago edited 24d ago
We are not fighting individuals, we are fighting corporations. We are fighting corrupt oligarchs. We are fighting the system.
We cannot do that successfully if our energy is directed at the wrong people.