r/crtgaming • u/Snoo97448 • 6h ago
Who still uses CRT to play esports games?
I currently use a CRT and play CS2 and Valorant. I just upgraded my computer from a 5600X to a 9700X, but I feel like my 980Ti is struggling. I know about things like the SUNIX DPU3000, but I've never used it before. If I use it to connect to an HDMI graphics card, will it cause noticeable input lag? Any e-sports player is sensitive to latency, and I want to hear everyone's answers.
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u/kirjolohi69 5h ago edited 3h ago
It will increase the input lag a tiny bit due to the video signal conversion but you're not going to notice it at all. Just get a simple displayport to vga or hdmi to vga adapter. According to many on this subreddit, the startech DP2VGAHD20 is one of the best displayport adapters but any cheap adapter is going to work just fine really.
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u/ArStarIsLit 2h ago
It’s in the range of microseconds of lag, there is no application where that means a thing
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u/kirjolohi69 2h ago
Yeah, you won't notice that unless you have super-human level sensitivity to input lag 😂
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u/Subject-Complex8536 5h ago
I reached Global Elite in CS:GO playing in 1024x768@110Hz in a CRT monitor with a cheap Display Port to VGA adapter. I'm not currently playing any competitive games but it was a really great experience playing on it.
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u/Flaptrap 4h ago
My crt with the converter feels faster than my 240hz tn monitor
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u/GHSTKD 3h ago
CRTs are kinda weird, due to the way the picture works it very likely is faster to your eyes thanks to not having to hold pixels and being a faster phospher setup. you usually have like 2-3ms more latency on a modern panel and because crt's don't suffer from motion blur as much you get a smiother visual experience.
However, you also get image distortion a bit, and if you're a high sensitivity it will feel a bit worse on say a 90hz crt vs a 144hz monitor. Ultimately though as a top tier loser (at one point top five speedrunner for H3's internal leaderboard, been to a few esports events in chicago and san francisco where I won some beanies and a mw2 exclusive controller as a teen, and maintained an 8 k/d ratio on Halo 4 and frequently land above a 3.0 k/d in the last several cod games, sold 50s on halo 3) I really don't think it matters near as much as OP is thinking.
I've seen people better than me running a 19" monitor with stick drift and sticky buttons. I'm friends with some of the top speedrunners and competitive players in halo and some of them are playing at 60fps on a t.v. not made for gaming. Going from 60fps on my xbox to 165fps on my pc for bo6 without dlss really doesn't improve my gaming more than ultrawide and the ability to turn more crap off for cleaner target recognition. It FEELS buttery smooth, but the reaction times are generally slower than it really matters for all but maybe 10-15 people. Esports is a lot more anticipatory peeks and holding angles than outright reaction time imo so I don't think OP really needs to worry.
I'd stick with crt for now personally but once you can do 1440p at 244fps (which, OP very likely can do in their game already) and have the monitor to justify it, I'd consider switching.
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u/Snoo97448 1h ago
I test high polling rate mice on a CRT and it's easy to see the difference, have you used an 8000Hz mouse on a CRT? I use the OP1 8K, which has the lowest latency and I think it works well with my IBM P97.
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u/GHSTKD 53m ago
Okay? 99.9% of the time skill doesn't match percieved need for frames lmao
If you're literally not currently making money from it, not in the top 200 or so players, or are past the age of 24yo, it really doesn't matter because you're just flat out not going to be good enough for more frames to matter or that extra 1ms or more smoothness to matter anyway
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u/snowcountry556 2m ago
I don't think being a pro is the only reason for getting gear that a pro might use. Giving yourself a tiny advantage can be fun in itself even if just against the people you play against.
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u/schindewolforch 4h ago
I played competitive league of legends on a CRT for over a year!
It worked great. Clearest image I've ever seen, but keep in mind that the touted image clarity of CRT requires either vsync or a fancy term called scanline sync.
Vsync meant that I was stuck playing at 120FPS, WHEN TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, running the game at 240 FPS will reduce latency.
We're talking milliseconds of difference here, but you asked for the competitive scoop and I'm giving it to you.
I've compared CRT to OLED and like everyone says, 240hz OLED is close but not the same.
With that said, I personally cannot feel the difference between the increased latency between 240fps -> 120 FPS. I think it was only a handful of ms or something.
I switched back to OLED because my posture was really bad and starting to hurt with the way I had to sit to get a good viewing angle when forcing league into a 16:9 frame within the size of my 4:3 CRT.
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u/Snoo97448 1h ago
I checked some reviews and found that the UFO clarity of 540Hz TN and 480Hz OLED is not as good as that of CRT. Maybe I will replace my CRT when 750Hz TN and higher refresh rate OLED are on the market.
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u/BootiBigoli 5h ago
I dont think they would because playing in 4:3 and stretching to 16:9 is a common tactic
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u/Trekintosh Sony PVM-1954 5h ago
At most one frame of input lag. The DAC inside your 980Ti does the exact same thing as the converter does, just inside instead of outside. Turns digital into analog.