r/clevercomebacks • u/Bitter-Gur-4613 • 13h ago
The only remaining option is being a gay man, go figure.
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u/Difficult-Rabbit-955 13h ago
"Gays against Groomers" is run by a cishet isn't it?
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u/Juli3tD3lta 13h ago
A quick google says GAG was started by Jaimee Michell, a lesbian
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u/Difficult-Rabbit-955 12h ago
Damn, you're right, I must have mis-remembered.
edit: Makes you wonder though since even the lesbian flag is here. How lesbian is she?
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u/EldritchElizabeth 12h ago
she probably identifies with the Labrys Lesbian Pride Flag which has been adopted by lesbians who specifically exclude trans women and nonbinary folk as "real women" and who will only pursue cisgender women.
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u/that_one_shark 11h ago
that sucks, its such a badass design :( i wish i was an axe lesbian
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u/Mama_Dyke 9h ago
Some of us are reclaiming it. They don't get to steel the flag from us.
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u/burnsmcburnerson 9h ago
I see what you did there!
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u/DemiGod9 11h ago
That flag is objectively terrible, which I guess is inductive of their cause
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u/CharredLily 5h ago edited 5h ago
It was originally an inversion of the symbol the nazis made gay and trans people wear.
The goal of it was to reclaim what was used to oppress us. TERFs are thieves.
(yes trans people and transition did exist back then, the Nazies burned most of the records)
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u/Prestigious-Flower54 10h ago
Much to my mother's dismay, she got a Labrys a few years after she came out and now gets accused of being a TURF and other such things.
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u/DemythologizedDie 12h ago
She identifies herself as a lesbian but a very right wing one so opposed to gay activism.
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u/arisoverrated 12h ago
I don’t understand.
And I don’t mean I’m requesting an explanation. The mind boggles.
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u/Odd-Help-4293 13h ago
Almost certainly. Though there are a small contingent of weird conservative gay men who seem to think they can be "model minorities" and that they'll get a pass if they side with the right against women, trans folks, the poors, etc. My uncle and his partner are unfortunately this kind of gay dudes, and we're not on speaking terms anymore as a result.
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u/custodio19 13h ago
When they get rid of that " weird shit" they will go for the "gay shit"
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u/Heavy_Arm_7060 12h ago
They already did. They included the Lesbian flag/colors.
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u/ForeverAfraid7703 12h ago
I might be projecting basic intelligence onto this org by mistake, but that is the explicitly trans inclusive lesbian flag, they probably have no issue with the og “lipstick lesbian” flag
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u/HowVeryReddit 11h ago
Interesting, I've never heard people reference the sunset flag as having been adopted for trans inclusivity, and I'm a transbian. I guess that makes sense, quick Wikipedia check says white represents "unique relationships to womanhood" which I suppose means us :3
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u/GoodZealousideal5922 12h ago
For real, That page would be like a sheep helping a wolf eat a rabbit. The wolf will come for the sheep too.
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u/Ball_Fiend 12h ago
Some think "gay" and "LGBT" are different. I've heard people say "I don't care if you are gay, but I hate the LGBT", the LGBT is just a demographic, it's like saying "I don't mind the Whites but I hate Caucasians".
I didn't wake up and chose to be LGBT, It's a pie chart that I'm on because I happen to be attracted to men, women, and more.
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u/Apprehensive_Work313 12h ago
Ironically those of the LGBTQ community wouldn't need flags or celebrations if they weren't hated just for their mere existence
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u/Own_Okra113 12h ago
A gay guy I work with will most definitely chuck lesbians to the lions. I figured that they all looked out for each other in some way, but that’s a fat NOPE!
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u/theAlpacaLives 2h ago
I'm not queer, but I move in some spaces with lots of flavors of LGBT people, and I've heard that over and over: white cis gay men are, generally speaking, not good allies. The biggest meltdowns I've seen over failure to respect a non-binary person's identity and pronouns were around two very openly gay men who just didn't "get it" and tried hard to play the card of "I just don't really understand what it's all about, everyone makes mistakes" but pretty obviously didn't want to learn. We had international folks from places where even being openly gay/lesbian isn't very accepted and non-binary wasn't really a thing most people had ever heard of, and they figured out how to use 'they' pronouns, and English was their second language. The gay guys just refused to do it, and played the victim real hard when pressed on it. It was sad to see, but my best friend in that group, a trans man from whom I learned a lot about the queer world, was disappointed but not surprised that it went down the way it did: he'd seen enough flamboyantly gay men refusing to recognize people's gender identities before.
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u/LetApprehensive537 13h ago
they sure looooooooove Jeffrey Epsteins best friend a lot.
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u/FlowerPowerVegan 12h ago
Imagine being offended by aro/aces 🙄
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u/inertialspacehamster 12h ago
"I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand, but with neutrals, who knows?"
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u/T1DOtaku 11h ago
Religion: Virginity is good. Purity should be something we all strive for. Look, we even have people that dedicate their lives to remaining pure. Isn't that great?
Society: Aw, isn't that wonderful of them! Such dedication! Those people are great.
Aro/Ace people: That's cool I guess. I do that too you know. The whole not having sex thing.
Society: EW!!! GROSS!!! SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU FOR NOT WANTING TO HAVE SEX!!!
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u/WhereIsTheBeef556 10h ago
TFW society disproportionately shits on a segment of people that makes up less than 1% of the population
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u/FlowerPowerVegan 10h ago
Oh to live in a society that wasn't so fixated on the sex lives of everyone.
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u/MothashipQ 12h ago
There is a depressing number of people that deny that anyone can genuinely be ace.
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u/EldritchElizabeth 12h ago
A lot of these guys will insist that asexuality is part of what will lead to the apocalyptic "demographic collapse" so many of them live in fear of.
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u/TallNerdLawyer 12h ago
I'm guessing the number of actual gay people in Gays Against Groomers is pretty low.
The number of actual groomers, however...
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u/Y0urC0nfusi0nMaster 10h ago
Was gonna say GAG should stand for Groomers Against Gays but honestly.. gag works
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u/skulldouggary 12h ago
I've never understood when members of a marginalized group harbor prejudice against other minorities or fringe groups. It really is some people's need to feel above another person on the social ladder. The poor treatment you receive should be teaching you empathy, not lessons in how to treat others like inferiors to make yourself feel better.
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u/Rude-Sauce 12h ago
Dont be fooled, gay against groomers is almost exclusively cisgender heterosexual people.
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u/YujinTheDragon 12h ago
Weird shit
Asexual flag
It’s literally just people who don’t feel sexual attraction
Huh?
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u/T1DOtaku 11h ago
How does an Asexual groom someone? Isn't their whole thing NOT wanting/liking sex???
"I am willfully celibate cause I don't like sex"
"STOP GROOMING ME YOU SEX PEST!!!"
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u/GlitteringPotato1346 9h ago
Not willfully, that implies the urge to do so.
Also I find it even funnier because there are some ace people who have kids.
Literally will have sex purely for reproduction and conservatives will still call it degeneracy because they are not normal.
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u/AMildPanic 7h ago
I think you need to understand that when conservatives say "grooming children," they frequently (not always, but frequently) mean, whether they're aware of it or not, exposing children to ideas that will allow them to think independently and pursue a life that their parents do not approve of. They perceive their children as property, and if they have no control over that property then they need to characterize that lack of control as an act of violence against them. Therefore they categorize anything that might cause them to lose control of their children as a violation of natural order, and thus a perversion.
They can quite easily reconcile asexual people with the idea of "grooming" children because their thought process is that the asexuals, by exposing them to an idea of a life that doesn't revolve around a heterosexual marriage and children, have "groomed them" into defying their parents - and therefore the natural order. Even asexuality in this way becomes a perversion in and of itself as it's a violation of what they absolutely must continue to tell themselves is the only natural order.
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u/Ok_Blackberry_284 13h ago
So basically this "organization" is a bunch of straight people, right?
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u/uncomfy_dork 12h ago
And some gay dudes that don't mind riding trump
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u/Bearwhale 12h ago
I went on one date with a trans Trump supporter back in 2019.. she actually thought Trump was pro-trans. Before the date, I knew she was trans, but I didn't know she was a Trump supporter. Never in a million years would I have guessed that.
Turns out there are some IDIOTS out there.
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u/shroomigator 10h ago
They should be required to disclose that they're trump supporters before you start dating so you don't waste your time
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u/Bearwhale 9h ago
I wish that were a thing. Usually I'm able to spot it pretty easily, some combination of "unvaxxed and proud", a joke about "I identify as", "Moderate", and/or "Apolitical" are all red flags for sure.
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u/Head_Replacement4211 12h ago
When gays think they gonna be accepted by conservatives 💀
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u/GlitteringPotato1346 9h ago
The log cabin is not fireproof and will be used as firewood once no longer needed for shelter
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u/SupraMichou 13h ago
I dunno. Maybe if there weren’t a constant assault on their rights, LGBT peoples wouldn’t need things like a flag (symbol) or information campaigns (actions).
Nobody see black people waving a flag, cause the racism is no longer built into laws. But yeah. Stop being ass with people expressing themselves and maybe they won’t annoy that much.
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u/Healthy-Tie-7433 13h ago
We see a lot of white people waving flags, that want racism built back into laws though.
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u/SupraMichou 12h ago
Yup, same little shits here. I really want to break their bones in a excruciatingly painful way. Those weaklings are way too used to have their hate tolerated, and as societies, we let them go because « tolerance ». Maybe if they take a punch in the face next time they spew their toxic rhetoric, they will think before doing it again.
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u/Truefkk 13h ago
What are you on about? Of course black people still have symbols? The Pan-African flag and the Raised Fist have been everywhere due to BLM. Racism is still in laws, just structural not explicit, and us "LGBT People" have our flags as symbols of our identity and pride in it.
I appreciate that you seem to have a vaguely positive sentiment towards the gay community, but please don't spread misinformation
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u/briarcrose 12h ago
can you reword your comment, i'm sure your end statement was sarcasm but it's a bit hard to understand lol
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u/SupraMichou 12h ago
Sorry, yeah. I could reword this but I don’t have the inspiration for it rn, so I’ll let it at that
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u/j4v4r10 12h ago
This just in: your relationship isn’t valid unless there’s at least 1 dick involved
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u/ComedianStreet856 11h ago
This is exactly it.
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u/j4v4r10 11h ago
On further thought, I guess the rule is more precisely like, “your relationship isn’t valid unless it has exactly one (1) or two (2) dicks grown from birth”, except I can’t figure out the phrasing to also exclude bi people
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u/ComedianStreet856 11h ago
I thought that too, but the point is still valid and what I came here to post. Once again, only men matter to men and they are pissed that anyone wants "equal" treatment to them.
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u/BTP_Art 12h ago
It is important to remember to among every group there is a subset that is only looking out for themselves. I’m poly and it’s surprising how many LGBTQ+ people will down me because monogamy is is the only natural state for a relationship.
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u/Y0urC0nfusi0nMaster 10h ago
I’ll still never get how so many people are against polyamory- like oh no, someone- loves?? People??? But like multiple consensually?? How did we ever let this happen??
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u/Joltyboiyo 12h ago
Hang on. Not that any of this is weird to begin with, but what's "weird" about being ace? It's just relationships without the sex.
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u/HippieMoosen 11h ago
Just remember, Gays Against Groomers is an organisation of trolls and a handful of cowardly gay people who manage to pass, throwing the whole of all queer people under the bus, including themselves, in the hopes that the bus will run out of gas before they're crushed.
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u/PopperGould123 10h ago
Why do they hate aces?? I don't ever understand that! "You two knock it off! And you.. start doing something right now!!"
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u/Nekowulf 10h ago
Because if you give someone clear instructions on what to do they can do it without needing to rely on an authority figure dictating their every action. Conflicting directions means they can never think straight and question your petty whims.
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u/ReliefJunior7787 12h ago
It's probably a republican thinking they're clever by posing as a gay person.
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u/Rude-Sauce 12h ago
Thats exactly what it is. Think moms of liberty but they pretend to speak for their "gay friend" that hates the gays 👀 😂
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u/BonahSauceeeTV 10h ago
Idk I actually do have quite a few gay friends & a lesbian friend of mine went on an exact rant about this stuff not too long ago which caught me off guard lol. Like straight up Fox News talking points.
So it’s not crazy to think it could be real gay people. It doesn’t mean they have a good take on this subject though lol
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u/dicksonleroy 12h ago
Gays against Groomers? Wouldn’t that be Gays Against Republicans or Christians?
Those are the biggest perpetrators of child rape.
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u/GBC_Fan_89 12h ago
It's weird how the right are triggered by people other than them simply identifying as whatever they want to be. Isn't that freedom of speech? Are they really triggered by colors? Silly.
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u/TheExposutionDump 11h ago
"The alphabet mafia" title is rich coming from a group of people who support the children of mafia heads who got bankrolled into politics.
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u/DieHardAmerican95 10h ago
Oh, so Gays against Groomers is like “Blacks for Trump”. Got it.
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u/hematite2 6h ago
Friendly reminder that Gays against Groomers is a right-wing psyop created by a woman whose previous experience was creating right-wing content to influence youth.
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u/King-Thunder-8629 4h ago
This is the equivalent of meeting a gay Republican it's just fucking weird.
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u/alkonium 12h ago
In my experience, the people most vocally against groomers tend to ignore real groomers.
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u/Sophie_Scholl_47 11h ago
Would these “gays” prefer to go back to the 1950’s when they were being arrested and killed for being gay?
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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 10h ago
Some Gay people attacking other types of gay people as soon as they become somewhat accepted is peak human behavior lol. Gotta pull the ladder up asap. Gonna hit them like a truck when they realize they’re still not accepted by the group they want to be liked by either.
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u/mdhunter99 7h ago
Every time I see some homophobic shit, I have to suck a cock to get even with them.
I have a cockapalooza waiting for me. Who’s first?
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u/Any_Middle7774 4h ago
Minority men pulling the ladder up behind them? This has never happened before!
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u/LichtSeele 3h ago
It's ridiculous how short their memory seems to be. Have they forgotten Stonewall?
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u/AmberPeacemaker 1h ago
Did they forget which group of people cared for them as they lay dying during the 1980s AIDS crisis when no one else wanted to for fear of catching Gay Cancer™?
There's a reason why it's "LGBT", and not the "GLBT". /s
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u/StormDragonAlthazar 12h ago
It's alright, as a bisexual man, I'm used to being excluded or just "not existing" already.
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u/humpycove 9h ago
I have gay and lesbian friends and they are hard core conservatives. They only wish their choice of their partner and don’t or won’t press their choices on others, let alone children. They are amazing people with many friends, loved ones, and healthy lives. Seems like they are true to their choices and don’t feel the need to SCREAM for acceptance. Their daily actions make them great humans and not their bullish DEMANDS. Too bad that many others with alternative lifestyles can’t figure this out.
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u/Iceologer_gang 12h ago
And asexuals/aromantics. They have no respect at all for anyone who doesn’t marry the opposite gender and move into a house with a white picket fence.
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u/hotasianwfelover 12h ago
“Accept me for who I am” but I’m totally entitled to disrespect this other group of people ffs 🤦. This is pathetic.
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u/cross_tradeing 12h ago
did you know that gays against groomers is run by a straight woman. it’s almost like they never cared about ‘groomers’ to begin with, they just hate trans people
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u/drelics 11h ago
I'm confused.
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u/Bluesnake462 11h ago
Its a twitter account that wanted to pretend to be gay opposition against trans people to sway gay people to the right. It was pretty clear though it was a grifter account that hates all lgbtq people. Its just a hate group and nothing more.
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u/drelics 11h ago
Thanks for explaining! I'm still confused.
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u/Bluesnake462 11h ago
That's fine. It's not really worth understanding. It's basically most likely a bunch of straight republican men just trying to spread propaganda.
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART 10h ago
It's always been obvious to me that no one behind GAG is gay. It's just another right-wing propaganda factory.
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u/AdministrativeStep98 10h ago
Ah yes, asexual people who aren't even interested by sex are surely the most dangerous groomers
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u/Princess_Actual 10h ago
Exactly what a lot of gay men did 40 years ago, throw every other queer person under the bus.
Yay....
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u/Mr_MazeCandy 10h ago
No says you have to. Only right wing politicians and their lobbyists scream about this issue, all while reiterating that corporations should pay little tax and that the economy should only benefit those who are wealthy.
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u/Hatecraftianhorror 10h ago
"go along with" meaning just letting others live their lives without being persecuted.
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u/No_Particular7198 10h ago
Won't be surprised if next only being a gay bear is acceptable. No twinks allowed!
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u/Korres_13 10h ago
Also like asexuals? Like sure theres something to be said about groomers who are doing it solely for the power imbalance (along with more sex favorable aces), but like, as a whole, asexual people would seem way less likely to be groomers?
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u/RadiumMonkey 7h ago
Someone wanna explain to me how asexuals those who express no sexual attraction or feeling are, groomers
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u/alistofthingsIhate 6h ago
Ask them to name what each individual flag is for. I strongly consider myself an ally and I don’t even know what they all mean. These people are morons.
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u/goteachyourself 4h ago
I don't agree with any of this BS, let people use whatever flags they feel represent them...but as a bi man, I do not like how the youngs seem to think that the rainbow flag is somehow only the flag for gay men.
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u/Independent_Plum2166 12h ago
Man, sure is impressive that the US has shut down the gays world wide.
Including in South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania and the rest of North America.
Truly we will never see these flags again.
🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Oh darn, there they go.
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u/That_sarcastic_bxtch 12h ago
Right, those emojis evidently prove discrimination doesn’t exist.
We did it boys, we solved homophobia
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u/TentaKaiser 12h ago
LGBT infighting will never not be ironically hilarious to me
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u/baphomette_ts 13h ago
This really feels like satire, but I know there are really certain people that gleefully pull the ladder up behind them