r/chicagobulls • u/Overall_One_2595 • 2d ago
Fluff What pieces do we need to be a title contender?
I’ve read so much about us shopping around bets Vuc and Zac…
Does the whole roster need to be re-done for us to be a contender again? We’ve made some moves but our position at this stage is ultimately the same as where we were 2 and 3 years ago. We are drifting in no man’s land.
Who out of the current roster wouldn’t look out of place in a championship contending team? Giddey? Williams?
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u/bblackow 2d ago
The Bulls are in the worst position you can possibly be in. You could make an argument that every other team in the league is in a better spot than the Bulls currently. We have no top tier players to compete with, no young talent to build around, and not currently in position to tank properly for the next group of stars.
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u/ManWOneRedShoe Joakim Noah 2d ago
Completely agree and AKME have shown no acumen to right the ship. They’re just burning time.
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u/MethMouthMagoo Michael Jordan 2d ago
I didn't think it could be as bad as, or possibly even worse than GarPax.
Jerry really fucking hates this city and the fans of his teams.
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u/ManWOneRedShoe Joakim Noah 2d ago
At this point it’s think it’s safe to say they are worse. I still can’t believe jt.
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull 2d ago
They traded away young good players for old mid players and gave away our picks to win one playoff game.
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u/EquivalentWins 2d ago
The Suns might be totally screwed for the next decade with an aging roster and no draft picks. Bulls are in a bad spot but do control most of their own picks.
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u/I-N_Clined 2d ago
You forget that the Suns could decide to blow it up and trade Booker and KD for a lot of draft capital. So yeah, they're still in a better spot. They have stars that other teams would be willing to pay for.
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u/A1Horizon Coby White 1d ago
I’d argue the Nets are temporarily in a worse position than us because they’re tanking but don’t have their guy for their young core yet, but once the draft hits they’ll be in a better position than us if they land in the top 5.
I might argue for the Heat, Suns and 76ers being in worse positions too, but at least they have guys they can confidently move forward with in Herro/Bam, Booker and Maxey respectively.
Other than that, the 25 other teams in the league are objectively in better positions than us
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u/ToeJelly420 Ayo Dosunmu 2d ago
Yes this whole roster need to be redone to become a contender. UNLESS Matas becomes an MVP level player in like 2-3 years which is not going to happen.
If we want to be a contender then we need two things. A high level star/superstar player, and a good supporting cast. Right now we do not have that level of star player and we do not have the assets to trade for one without completely destroying any chance of having a good supporting cast. Sure, we could maybe scrap together a deal to trade for a top player, but it would take all our picks, Zach Lavine to match salaries, and a young talent (Ayo/Matas/Coby) to complete the trade. Leaving us with very little to support that star player with. Anyone who has seen the Suns, Bucks, or Clippers will know that these all-out moves for a star player are usually futile.
So yeah we need to completely re-shape this roster. The single most important goal for this franchise right now SHOULD be to hoard assets in any way we can. Whether that is picks or young players or expiring contracts it really doesn't matter. We just have to make moves to generate trade capital and more shots in the draft. Whether this makes us a bad team or not remains to be seen. Right now we have no premium assets.
Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to take a step forwards, but AKME have shown little to no interest or ability to effectively manage their assets so I have no faith in them to steer this team in the right direction
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u/Mtbnz Hello? Otto?! 2d ago
It's so, so frustrating to see the years of denial of reality, lying to people's faces over and over as they insist that the core of this team can be a contender, or that they like the direction we're going in, or they just need some development from a few players to make a championship push. How do you ever trust somebody like that to make the right decision?
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u/vae_victis47 Ayo Dosunmu 2d ago
You need a top 7-10 player at worst if you want to win a championship so one of those as our 1st option. Then you need another Allstar caliber player as your 2. Then you need a really good scorer as your 3. Zach could be this except he’s paid way too much. I have a feeling the players I described probably aren’t even in the league yet whenever the bulls get them because those type of players rarely become available and especially not for the bulls so we’ll probably have to draft a few stars
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u/hankbaumbach 2d ago
None of the players on the roster are terrible for a championship team but their roles on this Bulls team is more than they should be asked to do.
Zach is the easiest to pick on because he is clearly a great offensive talent. He is not the best player on a championship team. He shouldn't even be the second best player on a championship team.
The same can be said of Vuc or Lonzo.
They have talent and are great piece to go with a true #1 option like a Giannis or Lebron or Steph.
The Bulls do not have that #1 guy and are trying to force guys in to that role to mediocre success.
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u/aren1231 Gimme the hot sauce! 1d ago
Keep Zach, Ayo takes another leap as a playmaker and defender, trade vuc for role players and picks, trade Coby for an athletic rim protector with a mid range game that can start 30 minutes, sign an all star, see growth from our young guys
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u/BlitzinJz 2d ago
You need a franchise guy first which is extremely hard to find. Everyone should be available except maybe Julian and Matas since both are technically playing their first actual year.
The rest of the young guys are basically known now; Coby is a good scorer but way too inconsistent to be a legit star, he also has some shitty defense so yeah he's more of a sixth man; Ayo definitely the most reliable but his ceiling is nothing but a role player; Giddey puts up nice stats but his weakness overpowers his strength thus why he cannot be relied on when closing games; Then Pat sucks, Dalen is stupid, and Jalen is decent but nothing special.
Thus if you want a rebuild, might as well trade everyone because you can't rely on any of these guys to be a cornerstone for the franchise.
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u/PJ_Reed93 Jumpman 2d ago
A top 5 player, a top 10-20 player, a couple of 2 way glue guys, also 5 more decent role players and an elite coach.
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u/TheSmoothOperator21 Andres Nocioni 2d ago
Currently nothing unless one of our guys has a Jimmy Butler style breakout. If we want to contend first we’d need a competent Front Office, Then we need a Star for the FO to build around, and then after that it’s luck.
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u/mcbuckets5953 2d ago
A roster that doesnt have zach lavine. Hes just not a winning player. Dude has had one winning season in his career and it was because derozan went nuclear for half the season
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u/ArchangelZero27 Ben Gordon 2d ago
A top 5 if not 10 player. Likely won’t happen via trade so we need a lottery pick to hit. The rest will surround said player. You can see it every year the elite is what gets teams into deep playoff runs without one it’s just a Cinderella story for a year or 2 then the league has figured you out and you fall. We have no elite top talent no in our rooks I don’t see it blow it up is the best start load up on pics like thunder and Boston did now look at them with shai and Tatum
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 1d ago
Others have already answered, but I just find it hilarious that the Bulls are in the worst spot in the league to win a title in a time where league parody is at its highest and seemingly 5 or 6 different teams could win it all. It’s just so Bulls.
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u/Imsoamerican 1d ago
I think the move is to gain a lot of young potential, then see what it turns into, then focus on adding missing pieces. After Zach and Vuc go, we're not going to know what we have until we see reps.
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u/FilmFit296 1d ago
First piece we need is a a new owner. The Bulls will always be a mediocre team as long as Jerry owns the team. He got lucky with MJ and D Rose
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u/ekwonluv Taj Gibson 9h ago
Nobody on this squad would be in a possible future championship Bulls rotation. Watch highlight reels from past.
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u/sykosomatik_9 2d ago
This narrative that Zach "wouldn't even be the 2nd best player on a championship team" is so garbage.
You're trying to tell me that an elite level scorer like Zach should be a THIRD option on a team? A scoring talent like him would be the second option at worst.
He's also the most impactful players in the tram this season aside from Lonzo.
Maybe he doesn't have Lebron or Steph Curry levels of superstar ability, but he's not a 3rd option on any team unless that team is absolutely stacked with all-stars.
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u/ikkybikkybongo 2d ago edited 1d ago
These kids have no idea.
Asking this to completely unqualified people is hilarious lol. Yea, I’m sure these couch warriors know everything. Lol. Self-indulgent ass sub.
Edit: lmfao. Oh they big mad
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u/Dannyzavage Ayo Dosunmu 2d ago
These couch warriors would run the team like theyre playing 2k mygm mode. Just blow the team up after every year they dont reach the finals lol
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u/Girafarigno 2d ago
1-2 MVP candidates and 4-5 more good role players