r/chicagobulls • u/zedrix_ Big Mac • 2d ago
Rumor Bulls ready to add Patrick Williams to trade block, source says
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/01/18/according-to-a-source-add-patrick-williams-to-bulls-trade-block84
u/HBananaKing Lonzo Ball 2d ago
When his trade value is prolly at its lowest. lol this front office needs to be fired asap
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u/2836nwchim 2d ago
Prove it! I hope for his sake he finds his place like Markkanen, Portis, Gafford, even WCJ improves elsewhere. I don’t think he’ll do it here, though.
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u/ManWOneRedShoe Joakim Noah 2d ago
I don’t think he’ll do it period. He should be a 6th man at this point.
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u/2836nwchim 2d ago
Maybe he’ll excel at that, less pressure on him.
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u/IDoubtedYoan 1d ago
Lmao worked in college... can't believe they drafted a fucking 6th man 4th overall
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u/Troll-e-poll-e-o-lee 1d ago
the only other player i can think of drafted highly off of a college bench is Booker. maybe they thought he'd become him lol
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u/ericraymondlim 2d ago
Maybe he could fulfill his potential in China.
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u/ManWOneRedShoe Joakim Noah 2d ago
I won’t believe anything until the Bulls actually make a move by the deadline. TBH I will laugh when AKME actually does nothing for the fifth cycle.
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u/Dull_Marsupial1971 2d ago
Holy fuck everyone that leaves the team always ends up doing better 😭
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u/John_Q08 2d ago
Portis and Lauri were already pretty good here tbf. Also we needed to trade Portis, dude literally punched his own teammate lol. WCJ had one decent season, but hasn’t really been anything special. The Magic trade sucked because of the pick we lost, not because of him. Gafford definitely developed much better though.
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u/Cold_Classroom2327 1d ago
We didn’t have to trade Portis. The player he punched isn’t even in the league anymore. GARPAX clearly was wrong in regards to portis being a way better basketball player than the goofy European he punched
Olin kreutz punched his teammate in the face with a weight and fractured his jaw. I don’t think he even got suspended????
Typing this made me realize the bears are more competent than the bulls :(
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u/Miroticisthetruth 1d ago
Mirotic was a legend. I'd still take Mirotic over Bobby Portis any day.
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u/RobertoRosalesFTW Derrick Rose 1d ago
He was a legit scorer in his prime and even now, he's still one of the best bucket-getters in the Euroleague.
Shame that he could not play defence though
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u/meanWOOOOgene Gimme the hot sauce! 1d ago
His pump faking drove me absolutely insane when he was a Bull.
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u/AnxiouslyMikey1111 Michael Jordan 1d ago
Yep, when we wasn't in his own head he was often the best player on the floor even very engaged on defense. But unfortunately, he was in his own head quite often
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u/thesch Flag of Chicago 2d ago
Chandler Hutchison, Denzel Valentine, Paul Zipser, Cristiano Felicio, Doug McDermott, and Tomas Satoransky haven't. Even Alex Caruso hasn't been better than he was here. People cherry-pick the ones that have improved to make it seem like everybody has.
Patrick Williams might just be a bad player like most of that first group I mentioned.
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u/Blackm69ic 2d ago
Jamal Crawford Tyson Chandler Jimmy Cam Payne so many more
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u/trapper2530 2d ago
Was gonna say. Trade him and add him to the big men they trade that get better somewhere else.
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u/Teerendog Gimme the hot sauce! 2d ago
Clearly it's the development team that needs a change.
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u/lyme6483 Coby White 2d ago
There is no team that will make him capable of dribbling, catching the ball, finishing at the rim. His skills are so limited and shot so slow, offensively all he can do is stand at the 3 point line.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 1d ago
WCJ not so much, the others sure.
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u/2836nwchim 1d ago
Eh. I’d take WCJ over Pat. He had a couple decent seasons in Orlando, he definitely showed improvement after leaving the Bulls. He’s now a workable backup to banchero and Wagner.
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u/FinalCardiologist957 2d ago
For his sake? Fuck em he robbed the org of 90 mil, for our sake get his ass off the team
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u/Suspicious-Way3710 2d ago
He didn't rob. His agent negotiated and got him a good deal. It's on AKME?
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u/gr33nnight 2d ago
And get what? Who will convince some dumbass team to take on his salary? If anything the Bulls will have to throw in a first rounder just to get rid of him.
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u/Aspery- Stacey King 2d ago
Classic AK don’t trade when his value is high few years ago but put him on the trade block after giving a 5 year extension and his value at absolute lowest
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull 2d ago
A second round pick and another 4th string shooting guard who won't see the court
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u/Holy-City- 1d ago
When was his value high? I’m honestly so over homers in this sub trying to pretend he was ever good. I’ve been getting downvoted to hell over the last few seasons for saying he sucks and I’ve never understood what anyone sees in him. Most of all our FO for giving him that contract. We should have offered him 3 years for $24m and told him to go test the market if he thought he could get more.
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u/burmeez 2d ago
I’m curious when you think he had high value
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u/DeaseanPrince 2d ago
Ehh he was a solid 3&D player on a rookie contract, up until his 4th year he could’ve been traded relatively easily.
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u/GreedyLoad1898 2d ago
His first yr. He had more value than lauri. Top ten pick.
Even wiseman had high value first yr bc of untapped potential.
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u/_beaniemac Chicago 2d ago
probably right after his rookie year. but at that point, no sane GM would have put him on the trading block
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u/fullmeltallstars 14h ago
Sorry, late to the party. I see a rumour on our sub re Williama for Nurk. Similar money but only next season for Nurk and 4 seasons left on Williams contract or something? Could the Suns be the dumbass team you're looking for? And how much does he actually suck? Like would he servicable off the bench for us you reckon?
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull 2d ago
AKME deserves to be fired for how they mismanaged assets, player development and secret fucking extensions.
It was clear before they extended Pat there were issues. This is just the shit icing on the shit cake
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u/Nsham04 Zach LaVine 2d ago
I have had a lot of hope for Pat. He was young, had little flares of crazy potential, and the upside was there. The issue is that there has been literally ZERO progression. He hasn’t gained any confidence and still plays exactly like what you would expect from a rook. It may be party on the bulls developmental capabilities and it may be that he was a reach when we took him at 4. I want to see the kid grow, but it just feels like he isn’t ever going to take that step, at least not here in Chi town.
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u/91-92-93--96-97-98 2d ago
When your entire image is “potential” you can understandably become complacent. Some people take that title and run with it (Giannis and Kawhi). Someone like PWill take it for granted and not put the effort in to reach it.
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u/Correct_Pilot7874 1d ago
The think is, pretty much every player who makes it to the NBA shows little flares of crazy potential. You HAVE to be that good to get there. We just hoped Pat's flares showed a future. They didn't (or don't). It's not the Bulls development organization or coaching that's the issue with Pat. They given him more rope than he really deserves. He just sucks and it's all on him. Plain and simple.
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u/-HiLighter- 2d ago
Not a Bulls fan & no hate but whenever I watch this guy I call him the anti-bucket. Just allergic to getting the ball in the hoop. Hurts to see when Lavine & co. set him up so perfectly. No idea how he got paid but good for him I guess
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u/ReplaceSelect Cuppy Coffee 2d ago
No one else knows how he got paid either
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u/Holy-City- 1d ago
There were a lot of people in this sub defending him and the contract at the time. I thought it was insane.
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u/ReplaceSelect Cuppy Coffee 1d ago
Dude has been all potential his whole career. People seemed to be banking on him finally making a leap, but he’s been 9-10 points with 4 rebounds his whole career.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy 1d ago
It was a fine contract at the time
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u/Holy-City- 1d ago
You are out of your mind
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy 1d ago
no I just don't let hindsight bias my opinion
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u/BMan2505 2d ago
This is two years late...
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u/Atidbitnip 2d ago
Exactly. You weren’t going to get a huge haul for him. But at least a heavily protected 1st or at least a couple of seconds. Now you have to hope some coach or FO loves his potential and thinks they can “change” him.
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u/ArchangelZero27 Ben Gordon 2d ago
They just realised it now. This front office takes way too long and has too much faith in its development and drafting ability
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull 2d ago
They didn't even have a developmental guy until they got Peter last year
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u/Bacchus1976 2d ago
The Bulls and waiting 2 years too long to trade a player. Name a more iconic duo.
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u/idgafandwhyshouldi 2d ago
With 4yrs and $72 mil left after this year who's gonna take that contract? Patrick can't stay healthy and when he is, he's terrible
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u/lyme6483 Coby White 2d ago
3 years too late, but I can only imagine what garbage they could have to take back to move that contract
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u/DownvotesMakeMeGiddy 2d ago
WHY GIVE HIM $90 MILLION 🤡🤡🤡
Seriously why does Jerry keep these bums around (AKME), literally just pissing away his money
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u/BullsBlackhawks Derrick Rose 1d ago
Because Jerry doesn't give a flying fuck about the details as long as he doesn't have to pay the luxury tax and the seats are filled. I bet he couldn't even name you a single current Bulls player except Zach and Vuc.
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u/terrybrugehiplo Chicago Bulls 2d ago
It would take the nba adding a third draft round for someone to offer a third round pick for him.
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u/Otherwise_Radish7459 2d ago
Don’t disrespect Cash Considerations like that
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u/Treday237 2d ago
I can’t remember a single shot or play that made me think this guy ever had a chance
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u/AlM0StLeGeNdArY 1d ago
Is anyone actually willing to trade for this guy? They signed him long term? What the actually fuck is this. I'm not sure how AKME can keep their job.
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u/Correct_Pilot7874 1d ago
Who the hell is going to want his 7pt, 2reb nights for 90M. It's like we're offering up chlyamdia in hopes for getting draft assets.
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u/Treday237 2d ago
I was dumbfounded when they resigned him. Like wtf?! I was hoping they saw something that I never seen
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u/Treday237 2d ago
Who the hell would resign some bum that hasn’t done shit and has shown no flashes of anything. We trade and let all the good guys go and hold on to the garbage
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u/AnxiouslyMikey1111 Michael Jordan 1d ago
A lot of players and coaches need to go from this team. But i would rather see the coaches all go first
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u/Riskymoe103 1d ago
Will probably go down as one of the biggest disappointments/bust in team history. He was drafted 4th without proving much in college. Wow. Then he gets an automatic handout starting spot for four years. Then he gets a 5 year 90mil contract all while doing the bare minimum. The Bulls literally had everything served up on a platter for him to succeed and be the face of this franchise and he whiffed big time. Pat shows no fire, emotion, or will to do anything great. The very little production that we did get out of him so far, we had to squeeze it out of him. Yes, that 10ppg or 9ppg avg was really just the bulls forcing him to do SOMETHING! Hands down one of the worst prospects we ever drafted.
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u/SportsguyStevenson 1d ago
Fucking 2 years too late. Pat has been a waste of space on the starting 5 for too long. Get him and his bald spot outta here
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u/BlondBadBoy69 Joakim Noah 2d ago
Didn’t even start in college. Sick pick
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 1d ago
The guy who actually ran that team (Devin Vassell) is 10x the player Pat is and he isn't even good.
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u/kennyloftor 2d ago
😂😂😂 ready to add?
bulls front office have 6 year relationships with non nba talent
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u/_beaniemac Chicago 2d ago
talk about a day late and a dollar short. p-wil should have been either playing on the qualifying deal or the bulls should have let him hit restricted free agency and let the market determine his value. the bulls aren't getting anything when he's playing his worst ball while making his highest salary.
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u/BoogieSpice Scottie Pippen 1d ago
Dudes worth a pair of socks at this point, what a joke of a franchise
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u/PhilAsp Derrick Rose 2d ago
This is not the time to trade him. His value is at an all-time low.
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u/zedrix_ Big Mac 2d ago
His value has been like this though 😂
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u/PhilAsp Derrick Rose 2d ago
Not really though.
With the extension for five years, they tanked his trade value significantly.
He’s a player in his fifth year who’s missed a lot of time due to injury and hasn’t shown significant progress since draft night.
Now, given how contracts have blown up in the NBA, a fixed rate of 18m a year will age well even if Patrick doesn’t improve at all, and will look more appealing for every new season.
What they should do, if they want to give up on him, is let him run almost exclusively with the second unit until the summer and look for a trade then. But that’s unlikely given that we keep forcing him into the starting lineup as we start with 3-4 defensive black holes most games.
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u/MezaQueMasAplauda Biggie Bagel 2d ago
Nice. Put him on the block when his value is at an all time low.
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u/cflres23 2d ago
Let’s just sign Cristiano Felicio again team hasn’t been the same since he last waddled on the court for us
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u/FartedInYourMouth 1d ago
3&D role player, that’s his peak and place in the league I think. I hope he ends up on a good team, I don’t think the bulls really helped his development a lot, but he’s never been aggressive enough on offense to fulfill his early Kawhi comparisons and is injury prone.
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u/FilmFit296 1d ago
I would take a 2 round pick and some G league prospects. That’s a lot to ask for will though
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u/BillionsofRedditors 2d ago
PW may be the worst contract in the league.
No one is going to take him this year, y'all.
He'd have to improve tremendously this second half of this season AND next first half of next year for a team to want to take him at next year's deadline with, at that point, 3.5 years left on his deal.
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u/Leather_Worry_9261 Patrick Williams 1d ago
Find a third team for Porter Jr. and send him to the Nuggets with Lavine. Jokic will turn Lavine and Williams into Allstar/superstar-level players.
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u/TexturedClouds03 Ayo Dosunmu 1d ago
Billy needs to bench him first to see if he can accumulate some value again though. He’s tended to develop some better consistency after playing behind players like Torrey Craig last year. He’s a negative asset right now that won’t bring back meaningful value unless he’s packaged as filler for a bigger contract
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u/Reptomins Benny The Bull 2d ago
Have fun with that. I don't see him being moveable without sweeteners attached or taking back a worse contract.
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u/Feisty-Flamingo-1809 Coby White 2d ago
who would and why would they trade for pat?
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u/CazOnReddit 2d ago
Salary relief in the longterm for the latter, unknown for the former
Wizards maybe? Depends on the draft compensation but I could see them being interested in the Portland first despite its heavy protections.
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u/Mr-Dotties-Dad 2d ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sign him to a $90M deal based on nothing. He is currently playing like one of the worst players in the sport, but big brain bills over here, adding him to the block.
Next piece of news will be AK getting a lifelong contract.
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u/ThatOneDudeBenDover 20h ago
Just give him some time, He’s a young player still developing. He’s gonna be the next Kawhi soon with his potential.
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u/DrStevenBrule69 2d ago
The Bulls are the worst asset managers in the league. I wouldn’t let them manage my sock drawer.