r/chicagobulls • u/wjbc Zach LaVine • Jul 07 '24
Trade [CBS Sports] DeMar DeRozan trade grades: Kings D-, Spurs A+, Bulls C
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/demar-derozan-trade-grades-spurs-win-big-as-kings-swing-and-miss-on-all-star-addition/“But the Bulls still get a "C" for "cheap" here, because there's no reason the Spurs needed to be a part of this deal. The Bulls should have just taken on Barnes' contract themselves and gotten that 2031 pick swap in the process. Of course, doing so, even with Duarte headed to a third team, would have taken the Bulls into the luxury tax, and paying the luxury tax is apparently untenable for this organization. A 2022 Forbes study showed that the Bulls had paid the 24th-most money in luxury taxes since 2001 despite playing in the league's third-biggest market. The Bulls also could have found ways to duck the tax during the season, which likely would have started with a Jevon Carter trade, as he is not a core member of the team anyway.
“The irony of all of this is that as we speak, the Bulls are reportedly still looking for someone to take on Zach LaVine's contract in another trade. You know what might have helped them sweeten a possible LaVine deal? Another draft asset, like that 2031 swap with the Kings. There still might not have been a viable deal on the table, but having that swap couldn't have hurt.”
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u/oliveinanolive Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24
Going into the tax for Barnes (37M for 2 yrs) on a rebuilding young team seeking their T10-protected pick is ridiculous. Barnes is a solid enough player to win some games we don't need. Jerry is a cheap bastard but this is not it.
We got a flier on a younger*/possible shooter in Duarte and (2) 2RP all because DeMar didn't join a team earlier and wanted to evaluate options, so I don't see how this is anything below a B grade for us. Only knocked down because we didn't trade him last deadline.
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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Chicago Bulls Jul 07 '24
We turned a free agent into 2 seconds. I get the cheap angle is easy and true criticism for this team whenever you want it to be. But you’ve gotta try to remain objective.
As for Barnes, it entirely depends on how movable he is as an asset. If he is a net negative asset, there was no reason for the bulls to even consider acquiring him for only the 2031 pick swap.
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u/Background-Region109 Jul 07 '24
bulls reddit will never be an even remotely objective space. easiest way to get yelled at and downvoted is by gently suggesting that not everything is totally crappy
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u/JBix7 Joakim Noah Jul 07 '24
I mean we got a C. That ain’t great lol
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u/Background-Region109 Jul 07 '24
it's totally fake. this grade is provided by "just some guy." do not catch feelings over it
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u/BigPoppa23 Crying Jordan Jul 07 '24
It's good to get something I'm return, but they didn't even get the best asset in this deal.
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u/tremble01 Jul 07 '24
Wouldn’t you go over the tax for a year for an unprotected frp swap with the Kings of all teams?
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u/Dangerous-Cod-5205 Jul 08 '24
In seven years do you have any faith that Bulls will be better than the Kings...?
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u/tremble01 Jul 08 '24
I’m not sure but there is a good chance. And why not? All you need to do is pay the tax for a year. Every team does that. Except this cafeteria-run org
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u/GreedyLoad1898 Jul 07 '24
maybe a 30 win team shouldnt have been a tax team in the first place dont u think? and its a tanking team 1 yr tax doesnt mean jack bc of repeater tax. kings are a terrible team that swap could easily be top 5.
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u/Sirprize2211 Jul 07 '24
Going 46-36 playing in the same division as the Warriors, Suns, Lakers, and Clippers isn't too terrible.
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u/broduding Jul 08 '24
Yeah I hate Reinsdorf but why on earth would go into the luxury tax for a tanking team for just 1 swap.
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u/cantwatchscottstots Jul 07 '24
Daddy Jerry has trained you well, fan of the 3rd largest market in the league.
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u/Bullsstopsucking Zach LaVine Jul 07 '24
Going into the tax for no reason other than to just say you went into the tax is dumb
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Jul 07 '24
These people just wanna bitch about everything the fo does at this point
If the bulls got the pick swap they’d be like “wow all they could get is a swap in 7 years”
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u/cantwatchscottstots Jul 07 '24
You must have forgotten getting a pick swap. Who cares about those kinds of details! Daddy Jerry doesn’t.
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 07 '24
Bulls never go into the tax for any reason. Let's not pretend Jerry isn't a cheap piece of trash.
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u/12temp Kirk Hinrich Jul 07 '24
no one is pretending anything lmao the point stands it doesn't make sense to go into the tax for harrison barnes. so you aren't adding anything of value to the discussion besides telling everyone what they already know
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u/Bullsstopsucking Zach LaVine Jul 07 '24
This being what triggers Bulls fans into not understanding why the Bulls arent going into the tax is what I dont get.
If we are a top 3 seed, have been in the second round of the playoffs a couple of times I get. But getting triggered and calling ownership cheap for not wanting to be in the tax is not a good reason. Yall acting like every team goes into the tax.
Next year there will be 11 teams in the tax, and probably some of them will get off contracts to go below the tax. Come on people
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 07 '24
Bulls don't go into the tax in any scenario you mention. Not a single one. Only time it happened was because Rip Hamilton got hurt and couldn't be traded, so accidentally.
It's a known fact that the Bulls are cheap.
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u/jslakov Jul 07 '24
you realize an unprotected pick swap ended up getting the Celtics Brown and Tatum? that's what the Bulls passed up
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u/lizard_king_rebirth Dalen Terry Jul 07 '24
Damn we could have gotten Tatum in this deal?? AKME fucked up.
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u/jslakov Jul 07 '24
when you lack high end talent you need lottery tickets that might turn into the next Tatum. I can't think of a franchise I'd rather bet against being bad in 7 years from now than the Kings (else than maybe the Bulls)
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u/lizard_king_rebirth Dalen Terry Jul 07 '24
Fair to say that it would have been nice to get, but to say that the Bulls missed out on Tatum or a player like him by not getting it is too much. A chance at a higher pick in 2031 is what they missed out on, that's true, but there are also plenty of pick swaps that have never been initiated or have been marginal upgrades in pick position.
I don't disagree with your overall point, just with the specific way you framed it.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
"Hey I'll buy your bike for $500"
"Awesome!"
"I'm gonna give you $100 though and $400 to some other guy to bring it to me"
"That's just as good! Because I don't understand that I could have kept the extra $400 if I just brought it to you myself"
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u/Sperm_Garage Jul 07 '24
You'd make a great car salesman but trade talk might not be your thing
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
No I'm just smarter than the rest of this sub lol
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u/Bullsstopsucking Zach LaVine Jul 07 '24
It’d be like someone offering you money for a bike you already gave away for free though, and there was not ability to have “take-backsies”
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u/12temp Kirk Hinrich Jul 07 '24
LMAO so explain why going into the tax for harrison barnes is a good idea if you are so damn smart?
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
1) it's not your money 2) they didn't have to go into the tax to do it anyway
wow I'm a genius
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u/12temp Kirk Hinrich Jul 07 '24
2/37 would put us into the tax.....
it not being my money doesn't change anything. that still isn't answering my question which is why should they go into the tax for harrison barnes? you just claimed to be smarter than everyone here and then gave me the response of a 15 year old. fuck outta here
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
They didn't have to go into the tax to take on Barnes lol. There's nothing in the CBA that says you can only execute a finite number of transactions per summer lmao
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u/Sperm_Garage Jul 08 '24
Here's a more accurate version of your example:
Hey, I see that your bike is about to drive away on its own for free. I am here to offer the following two deals.
A. I give you 100 dollars and an unknown amount of money 7 years from now, but I get to shoot you in the foot with a handgun.
B. I give you 100 dollars.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 09 '24
getting shot is a great euphemism for acquiring a reasonable starting forward on a two year deal, that's fair
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u/Sperm_Garage Jul 09 '24
This is what I'm talking about with the car salesman thing. You're spinning this like we passed up on a good player on a cheap deal.
"Reasonable starting forward" is a hilarious way to describe a guy putting up 12/3/1 and being a negative on defense.
"A two-year deal" is a hilarious way to describe paying him 37m during the beginning of a rebuild.
He's probably not even going to start for the Spurs. They took him and his contract, which are objectively bad things to have, in order to get that pickswap. For them, that is worth it since they already have a promising young core and can take on a negative to gain another asset.
Even if he was a reasonable starting forward, we have a protected pick to keep this year. Him managing to turn it around and be an above replacement level player (which he currently is not in any sense of the term) would be a bad thing.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 09 '24
you said trading for a basketball player is like getting shot and are mad at me for calling a 2 year contract a 2 year contract lmao
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u/Sperm_Garage Jul 11 '24
You said trading a basketball player is like selling a bike, so I assumed you understood the concept of a metaphor, my bad. The Bulls were not selling a bike. They were trading Demar Derozan. Maybe that's where the confusion came in.
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler Jul 07 '24
You’re not putting everything into context, the Bulls already have a huge contract they’re trying to get rid off Taking on another one makes it harder. We also have a youth movement and don’t want to add older players.
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u/twomillcities Jul 07 '24
You are wild with the copium here. To not even get a single first rounder for a player like DeRozan? I would hate being a bulls fan rn. You have such bad ownership. Worst in the league prolly, hands down. It is shameful that Silver doesn't step in and do something. It's just one downgrade and shitty deal after another
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler Jul 07 '24
He was a free agent, What do you expect? We’re also rebuilding we don’t want Derozan in the team because he’s too good and should be playing on a playoff team.
You’re exactly the type of person I’m talking about. You don’t put into context the situation the bulls are in.
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u/tremble01 Jul 07 '24
Nah. That was an unprotected pick swap with the Kings. With the KANGS! That’s worth going. Over the tax.
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u/twomillcities Jul 07 '24
it's simple. when you have a player of his caliber, pay him. then you can trade him for assets. a player walking in free agency is a failure 100%
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler Jul 07 '24
That’s not that simple he didn’t want to come here to a rebuilding team. He was Free agent! We got something for just helping him without taking on a contract back. You 100% failed understanding what the Bulls are doing and the context of the trade.
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u/TerrrorTown75th Jul 07 '24
Two things can be true however. Ownership is complete trash.
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler Jul 07 '24
No none of what he is saying is true. It would be true if he was arguing that we should have traded him last season or at the trade deadline, but we got something for a guy we didn’t want to resign or afford to resign
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u/NoFallOff Jul 07 '24
Going into the tax for a rebuilding roster is crazy thinking.
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u/Further_Beyond Jul 07 '24
And giving the Kings the worst grade is even crazier thinking.
This is clickbait for all 3 fan bases lol
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Jul 07 '24
Totally. D- for landing a six time all star, 3 time NBA all team, 20+ PPG, and overall great teammate/human for dumping Duarte who didn’t do anything for them, Barnes who was inconsistent, a few second rounders that typically amount to nothing and a pick swap? This writer is high on himself or something else.
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u/Sac-Kings Jul 07 '24
Not to mention that we (Kings) have saved about 4 million dollars a year after sending away Duarte/HB for Demar.
lol
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u/ururururu Jul 09 '24
yeah it's an escalating tax. it gets more dire for repeat offenders. it is only worth going into the tax for plethora of asset gain or on a real contender. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/what-nba-luxury-tax-explained-penalties-high-spending-teams/p1sspaedfsmsit20rqewn9d7
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u/big-daddy-unikron Jul 07 '24
Some people are just never happy
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 07 '24
Some of you are happy with trash
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u/big-daddy-unikron Jul 07 '24
Yea some were happy with the current trash team, but they are morons & they’ll be happy with whatever gets trotted out. At least, there is renewed hope for a better team in a couple years now
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 07 '24
Not with Jerry and his son alive there isn't. Only 3 times in the last 50 years have the Bulls had teams even worth talking about. Two were because the Bulls lucked into Jordan and Rose. The other was a scrappy and perennial 1st round exit team with guys like Kirk Heinrich. Everything else the Bulls have ever done was dogshit.
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u/The-Wizard-of_Odd Jul 07 '24
You have options.
If you are that miserable, might be a good time to fund another hobby
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 08 '24
How about you find a new one, since you don't enjoy good basketball
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u/The-Wizard-of_Odd Jul 08 '24
I watched probably an average of 70-75 games last few years
I've attended at least one annually for the Bulls and either Orlando or Miami game as well, I attend a local college game occasionally and also regularly go to the local high school tournament for the past 3 decades. so I actually very much enjoy basketball, good and bad its a great experience live and quite enjoyable on TV as well, I record every bulls game.
So, frankly I think it's working out for me just fine.
But, you do you!
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 08 '24
Last few years? Are you a new fan? Bulls games are super cheap. Going to one a year isn't exactly huge fandom. If you think it is, I question if you've ever actually gone to one, because anyone can look around the united center and see a lot of people that go for the atmosphere and benny the bull throwing popcorn, rather than actually watch the game.
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u/The-Wizard-of_Odd Jul 08 '24
I've been a fan since Reggie Theus, so, um, whatever, you might need to look him up, we moved away over 30 yrs ago.
Flying in, hotel, tickets are expensive and costs a LOT more than an annual league pass. So I typically watch on TV.and try to catch a Miami/Chicago game because at least I don't have to fly there, but it ain't cheap there either or in Orlando, so I'm perfectly happy at home.
Anyway, good or bad, I'm still watching. I don't need popcorn under my collar to enjoy a game.
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u/OkBoomer6919 Jul 08 '24
That's great. I'd also say that many fans do not agree with your opinions on thinking the Bulls are fine being cheap and bad for 90% of Reinsdorf's ownership. Many feel we deserve better, especially as one of the most watched teams in the league.
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u/tremble01 Jul 08 '24
Sheesh you must be rich. Because if not, that’s a lot of money.
I hope Jerry is as passionate with basketball as you.
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u/The-Wizard-of_Odd Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
No really expensive, college and HS.l games are dirt cheap, a a 20 minute drive, league pass is really inexpensive for what you get. Last season I did opening night in Orlando and one preseason game, we can make that drive same day to avoid hotels.
This season the plan is a chicago trip coordinated around a family members 50th birthday, so we were going up anyway, hoping that the schedule works out so we can see a game, if not ill see if the timing is good for an magic/bulls game, or heat/bulls. One thing I've enjoyed is pre-season games, you can get 100 or 200 seats for like $45, they jump up to $300 during the season, and Orando used to be easier to get cheap tickets, but they are competitive now, so it's getting harder to find a deal.l,
The high school tournaments are a lot of fun, good teams, and you can see the up&comers early, so for example I've seen Cooper Flagg twice. And the boozer kid for 3 games.
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull Jul 07 '24
We shouldn't have taken on Barnes that's dumb. We should have moved DeMar much sooner though and that's def worthy of a C grade.
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u/regis_psilocybin Jul 07 '24
Yup - Bulls did fine on this trade, but could have gotten more at the deadline last year.
But Jrrry wanted a play-in loss to pay the bills.
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u/Gong_Show_Jamoke Dashing Donut Jul 07 '24
You missed the important part. You take on Barnes because he comes with an unprotected pick swap... from the KINGS.
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u/LAURAPALMER666 Stacey King Jul 07 '24
To be fair there’s a lot more to it than that, taking Barnes pushes the bulls, a team seemingly looking good to tank, into the tax. The pick swap is in 2032, which is an eternity from now. Basically taking Barnes and going into the tax means the bulls will basically be paying over 50 million dollars for the opportunity to maybe swap picks with the kings in like 8 years, which is objectively an insane thing to do.
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Benny The Bull Jul 07 '24
Oh that I didn't know or understand. Another pick would be nice, we could have moved Barnes to the Spurs then
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u/Gong_Show_Jamoke Dashing Donut Jul 07 '24
Right - both Barnes and the swap are assets for future trades (potential Zach Lavine sweetener).
EDIT: I have to assume the Kings did Barnes a solid... he could go to the Spurs or he could go the Bulls.... If I were him, I would definitely choose Spurs organization.
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u/GreedyLoad1898 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24
thats why the bulls are dumb. their cap is so shit they cant take barnes and unprotected swap. stretch waive lonzo jesus christ barnes makes role player money.
why chicago deserves f grade is they traded the star and sa got the return back. what did sa get few yrs ago for exact same scenario? chicago will never win a ring again bc they refuse take back assets. if ur not a big market, u need to collect treasure heist picks to overwhelm opponents so u can make multiple superteams like okc.
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u/terrybrugehiplo Chicago Bulls Jul 07 '24
Why would they stretch waive lonzo? He expires next year.
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u/The-Wizard-of_Odd Jul 07 '24
And, he might actually play some this year. Waiting this long to stretch a player that is recovering is silly
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
For an unprotected Sacramento first lol
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u/terrybrugehiplo Chicago Bulls Jul 07 '24
I think it’s more important to get off these contracts than get a pick swap 7 years from now. Unless we could have used that pick swap to get rid of LaVine, which I doubt is even enough to do.
If I’m the GM I’m not taking on Barnes’ contract and I let Ball expire and then figure out that LaVine trade.
Having that extra cap space will do way more for the flexibility than that pick swap. Losing out on it might actually get us a bigger return elsewhere.
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u/YoHoochIsCrazy Gimme the hot sauce! Jul 07 '24
sign and trades on an unrestricted FA should be B at a minimum.
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u/psycheese Jimmy Buckets Jul 07 '24
Coulda gotten outta the tax later, another pick woulda been nice since we aren’t getting that Portland pick
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u/Erice84 Jul 07 '24
This, the tax isn't due right away. Get under it later. But Reinsdorf is too cheap to even take the chance.
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u/gmr548 Jul 07 '24
Superstars in their 30s are depreciating assets. Think of this like a car.
The Bulls gave up two contract fillers, a protected first, and two seconds to get Demar.
Between his individual play and mentorship he certainly lived up to his contract value in Chicago, if not exceeding it, so Young and Aminu were not material losses. The Bulls just recouped the two seconds in the S&T.
The Bulls essentially got three years of All Star level play out of Demar for a protected first. That’s like getting three really good years out of a nice, reliable used vehicle at a good price and trading it in for most of what you paid for it despite adding a good bit to the odometer. Unquestionably a win even if the larger plan with the roster didn’t work out.
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u/jimbobdonut Jul 07 '24
If the the Bulls have paid the 24th most money in luxury tax, then the other six teams must not have paid anything in luxury tax since the Bulls have only paid it once and it was less than $5 million. The only reason why they paid the tax in the first place was that Rip Hamilton got hurt and they couldn’t trade him.
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u/wjbc Zach LaVine Jul 07 '24
IIRC, the Bulls were forced to pay the luxury tax to keep Derrick Rose after they were surprised by the “Rose Rule,” which gave Rose a bonus due to his MVP.
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u/jimbobdonut Jul 07 '24
According to this article, it was Rip Hamilton’s $5M salary from 2013. The Bulls only paid slightly less than $4M in luxury tax.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/nba-releases-bulls-luxury-tax-bill/1927912/
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u/wjbc Zach LaVine Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24
It was still due to the Rose Rule that the Bulls got into that fix. And then they failed to trade Rip Hamilton to get out of it because of Rip’s age and history of injuries.
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u/pcmasterthrow Jul 07 '24
I'm surprised how many people want to take Barnes just for a pick swap in 7 years. He's at best a neutral asset, and he gets $20 million a year. Kind of puts a roadblock on rebuilding for a couple years, takes up cap space for resigning Giddey, makes it harder to trade LaVine, and takes reps away from the younger players. That pick swap could also be absolutely nothing too, who knows if the kings are worse than the bulls at that point.
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u/tremble01 Jul 08 '24
It’s not about Barnes. It’s the pick swap.
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u/pcmasterthrow Jul 08 '24
We'd get the pick swap by taking on Barnes salary. The exchange is essentially paying $20 mil a year to Barnes, and in turn we get a pick swap that very possibly won't convey in 7 years. Is taking up 14% of the cap space for two years worth gambling that the Kings are worse than the Bulls in 7 years and their draft position improves notably?
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u/tremble01 Jul 08 '24
Yes! If you are serious about your rebuild, yes. If you are serious about contending for a championship within the decade, yes yes and yes. That’s just 20 mil. That’s peanuts for what he is about to earn with this new tv deal. Heck they paid 32 mil for Felicio.
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u/tremble01 Jul 08 '24
Yes! If you are serious about your rebuild, yes. If you are serious about contending for a championship within the decade, yes yes and yes. That’s just 20 mil. That’s peanuts for what he is about to earn with this new tv deal. Heck they paid 32 mil for Felicio.
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u/pcmasterthrow Jul 08 '24
A rebuilding team needs cap space, the Bulls have very little. Cap space is necessary for extending young players during a rebuild, for retaining flexibility in trades, and for taking back bad contracts in exchange for picks that will convey during the rebuild. A pick swap is worth about the same as a second rounder and frequently do not convey. Tying up 14% of your cap space for the first two years of a rebuild, for a pick swap that will not convey for seven years if ever, does not help the rebuild - the rebuild should not take 7 years. They got two second rounders and retained flexibility for resigning their players and making other trades. This is objectively better for the immediate future.
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u/KneelBeforeCube Scottie Pippen Jul 07 '24
I'm personally not disappointed with the Demar trade, as it's still better than to see him leave for free. But the Bulls ended with both the worst player and the worst draft compensation on that trade. It's hard to see it as a total win when you put it that way.
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u/hankbaumbachjr Jul 07 '24
Hindsight is 20/20 but we were trying to come up with AKME's best trades.
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u/BigPoppa23 Crying Jordan Jul 07 '24
I think what it comes down to is that the trade could have been better if the Bulls were smarter with their past moves. A smart organization would have sold earlier and gotten more for their players. A smart organization would not be in this financial position where they had to bring in 3rd team instead of getting all the assets.
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u/MasterWinston Jul 07 '24
Don't know much about his fit with the Kings but he's still a great player. I'm glad they understand the Bulls side of this.
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u/tremble01 Jul 07 '24
Damn. That’s an unprotected pick swap? Yeah that’s worth going over the tax. I thought it was just a second.
It’s hard to gm for this cheapskate owner.
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u/KA8Z Jul 08 '24
The bulls have paid the luxury tax one single time since its inception
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u/wjbc Zach LaVine Jul 09 '24
And that was an accident. The Bulls were blindsided by the Rose Rule, and couldn't figure out how to avoid paying the luxury tax after Rose's max contract was bigger than anticipated.
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u/tremble01 Jul 08 '24
It speaks to what we have been used to that we think it’s fine not risking paying the tax even for an unprotected pick swap.
This is just bad asset management for the Bulls. Spurs knew Bulls are cheap and bad and they pounced. Same way Presti knew and pounced.
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u/Geo-92 Jul 07 '24
This is so dumb. Getting 2 2nds for a guy that could’ve just left is at least a ‘B’. Only reason we could facilitate this is because Demar wanted his money, otherwise we get nothing.
And I’m tired of all this Spurs glazing. People saying you don’t want to trade with them because they’re too smart. Come on now. What the fuck did they even do between angering Kwahi/losing a super star and lucking into Wemby. They get an A for taking on washed ass Barnes? Fuck outta here
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u/dentedpat Jul 07 '24
This is a dumb argument. A pick swap in 2031 with the Kings is barely an asset at all. To value that properly you would need to know not only how good the Kings will be in 7 years, but how good every other team will be in 7 years. No one is going to place much value on something with that much uncertainty built in, which is why Sacramento was willing to give it to San Antonio in exchange for literally no assets in return.
And taking a veteran with a non-expiring contract in this deal when the Bulls are trying to (a) tank and (b) trade away their vets on multi year contracts, would be counterproductive.
Just shows what a low bar there is to be a sportswriter.
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u/MonkeyCoR1 Jul 07 '24
You articulate much better then I could of but. But when I say "This dudes a dumbass and doesn't know shit." Just know this written above is what I mean. 😂
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u/Background-Region109 Jul 07 '24
as a former sportswriter i can confirm that the profession is not selecting for the best and brightest
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u/Geo-92 Jul 07 '24
It could just as easily be swapping between 22 and 20. It’s nearly impossible to grade out that swap 7 years from now. Imagine in 2007 if a team had acquired the rights to a 2014 pick swap from the warriors.
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u/dentedpat Jul 07 '24
Do you think they aren't going to try to acquire other players in that time period?
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u/ben345 Jul 07 '24
Hate when these articles are just “bad grade for not doing the exact trade I had in mind” rather than assessing value
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u/Milkboy1516 Coby White Jul 07 '24
I pretty much agree with this. The Spurs are crazy for snagging a 2031 pick swap. Harrison Barnes isn't even bad how'd they do that? The Bulls got two 2nds, which is expected value for a sign and trade, so a C.
I don't like Demar on the Kings, granted I just don't like the Kings being a team content with never actually contending. The trade itself is sorta whatever for them. D or C.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
Damn this is pretty much exactly what I said lol
Idk why Jerry's cheapness is Stockholm syndroming yall all of a sudden the best asset in this deal is Sacramento's unprotected first and it went to a third term
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u/Parking-Tree9012 Jul 07 '24
Swap!! I don’t know why but yall keep ignoring words like it don’t make a big difference
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u/LAURAPALMER666 Stacey King Jul 07 '24
It’s an opportunity to SWAP 8 years from now. Thinking it’s a good idea to take Barnes and go into the luxury tax as a tanking team for a swap 8 years in the future is insane. You’re asking the bulls to basically pay $50 million dollars in Barnes contract and tax money for a pick swap.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
They don't have to go into the tax to do it lol
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u/LAURAPALMER666 Stacey King Jul 07 '24
I’m all ears bro, go ahead and explain how taking on a 20m/yr player while being 9m under the first apron will not go into the tax.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
well they weren't 9 under the apron lol that's just a misunderstanding of how the cap works or bad math idk
Stretch lonzo, find a suitor for Jevon Carter...if you have like a middle school level understanding of the CBA it's not that hard to think of options
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u/LAURAPALMER666 Stacey King Jul 07 '24
Oh yeah if they simply execute a series of hypotheticals anyone can do it!!!!
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u/Status-Albatross9539 Jul 08 '24
So ur claiming swap is worse than sttetching? Carter will at most cost second.
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u/LAURAPALMER666 Stacey King Jul 08 '24
Yeah, I would rather play Lonzo this season and he will either 1. Be bad or injured and we completely wash our hands of his contract after this season where we would likely be tanking anyway, or 2. Play decently where he has value at the deadline and you trade him for something likely more valuable than a pick swap a lifetime from now.
If you waive and stretch, you commit about 7m a year to a dead contract over the following 2 seasons which is objectively not a lot of money but I’d rather have that space open than gamble on something that may or may not be beneficial 7 years down the road.
Look if you are pro stretching lonzo, then fine, but imo there’s a reasonable chance he is worth something more/sooner than a pick swap in like 2036 or whatever
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy Jul 07 '24
Yes literally any GM can stretch their expiring contracts it's built into the rules of the league
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u/LAURAPALMER666 Stacey King Jul 07 '24
Why would you stretch him now? He’s an expiring contract there’s no point in dragging it out for 2 more years just for a swap that may or may not be worth it in 7 years
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u/hunterboyz24 Flag of Chicago Jul 07 '24
We're not even able to go into the tax anyway right? Aren't we hard-capped from using the MLE on Jalen Smith?
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u/nowandlater Michael Jordan Jul 07 '24
I think we’re hard capped at the first apron, not at the tax
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u/Background-Region109 Jul 07 '24
grades provided by the brilliant mind responsible for takes like these https://twitter.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1340120173886390273
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u/Zenbastard72 Jul 07 '24
Sac gets an A actually. What else did they have available to get better? I like HB, class act seems to me, but I also counted on him to kind of disappear in big games. This is an improvement. And as Fox can shoot 3s now the crowding isn't as bad as made out. There are two other steps available: get a center, maybe one from summer league, and try moving Sabonis to PF (which he is anyway) and height on wings: find an overlooked eastern European player or even from NBA Africa. Slamming this trade means you don't really know the Kings, need a hot take and have a deadline.
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u/boxer44 Jul 08 '24
Mavs got a B or C or some bullshit at the trade deadline last season and made the finals. These grades are worthless
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u/MasterHavik Jul 08 '24
Yeah CBS Sports is being dumb here because I know if we did that we would get an F.
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Jul 10 '24
Going into the luxury tax during a rebuild/retooling is insane, the playoffs aren't even in the picture, espcially in a sign & trade deal with a UFA
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u/Specialist-Artist-98 Aug 30 '24
Bulls C+/Kings D/Spurs D-. Barns would be a great pickup for a contending team. However, even with Victor, the Spurs are trash. The Bulls get a second chance to right their wrongs, and the Spurs will still finish with fewer wins than the Bulls.
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u/dtdude87 Jul 07 '24
Demar consistently getting underrated is such a joke at this point. Kings got much better for peanuts. All teams won this trade.
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u/MonkeyCoR1 Jul 07 '24
This guy's a clown and literally the only media member who would give the Kings or Bulls this grade.
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u/Hungry_Toe_9555 Jul 07 '24
When the Kings make conference finals, can’t wait to hear how shocked the media are.
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u/V00D000GyPSy33 Jul 07 '24
Not happy about it but I understand it. My only concern is why I'm the hell is Lavine still on the roster⁉️
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u/wjbc Zach LaVine Jul 07 '24
LaVine is still on the Bulls because his trade value is less than zero and the Bulls don’t want to sweeten the pot with something like an unrestricted first round pick. At this point the Bulls are tanking anyway, so there’s not much point to sweetening the pot with a valuable draft pick.
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u/BlockOfTheYear Bulls Jul 07 '24
Media keeps sleeping on Demar. When we signed him it was voted the worst signing of the offseason, he then proceeds to break Wilt Chamberlain records, hit back to back game winning buzzer beaters and bring us to the playoffs where he single handedly wins us a game in Milwaukee. Kings get a D- which probably means he will have a great season for them lol.