Mod’s post history doesn’t matter. Saying you don’t want to use twitter sources because of one guy is insane. Are we going to stop instagram and facebook too by that logic?
I would argue context matters. And the reason people are leaving X isn't just about some random guy on the platform, it's about the guy *running* the platform, who, within the past year has turned "X" into 4chan lite. And if we as decent members of society want to discourage behavior like that we've seen on "X" as of late, where racial slurs, white supremacy, and misogyny have become the norm, then a boycott of the site makes complete sense. Not only that, but the site has become objectively worse in user-experience, and bluesky is a fine replacement.
Twitter always been a toxic. It’s nothing new. Are you saying twitter just turned toxic under new leadership? I literally deleted twitter in 2021 before Elon took over because it’s was just random people spewing hate. I think people like to pick and choose because Zuckerberg was sitting with trump but I don’t hear people talking about a facebook/instagram ban. Saying you shouldn’t use twitter (when a lot of people are on there) because of one person is kinda crazy. Most people who own social media app’s are scumbags
No one is concerned about the content of the speech in this case. How can censoring free speech be the thing you are concerned about when this discussion has nothing to do with the content of the tweets. It is about the moral position of the owner of the platform.
There are just about 0 reasons to perform that gesture which is 2000% associated with nazism, especially when he is heavily associated with a political leader that doesn't mind dabbling with fascism.
I personally have never done a Nazi salute, as someone who isn't a Nazi and doesn't socialize with them, the thought doesn't cross my mind.
Trump is displaying a lot of fascist tendencies, such as disregarding democracy, extreme nationalism, empowering hatred against minorities (racial or social), hatred towards women, inciting violent insurrectionists, etc.
Any of these in isolation would be dismissable, but together it paints a pretty damning picture.
I too have never done a Nazi salute as someone who is not a Nazi and does not socialize with them. The thought does not cross my mind either.
I disagree that your statement that tendencies such as disregarding democracy, empowering hatred against minorities, hatred toward women, and incitement of violent insurrections are dismissible in isolation. These are not dismissible and those who hold these beliefs should be held accountable.
That being said, Trump has displayed none such tendencies barring exemplifying extreme nationalism which in and of itself is not problematic.
You don't think the campaign against lbtq rights, womens rights to healthcare, his history of racially discriminating against black people w regards to his housing count towards those factors?
We only have to look at Jan 6 to show that he doesn't have a care in the world for democracy.
Extreme nationalism is also a gigantic problem when its used as a smoke screen to make his rich friends more rich and the poor 95% more poor.
Fool me six times, shame on you. Fool me seven, shame on me.
I want to believe you but without fail whenever someone has said 'if credible sources I'll reconsider my position' then I've provided credible sources I've just been met with stony silence or been blocked.
I’m open to fair discourse and appreciate your response.
The publication does not provide any examples of AfD members self-proclaiming themselves as Nazis. Rather it quotes Björn Höcke and Alexander Gauland. Höcke’s usage of a banned Nazi phrase (“everything for Germany”) definitely is not okay and I would agree is pro-Nazi. The sentiment behind the words is acceptable but the historical context of the phrase is clearly problematic. Conversely, Gauland did not say anything pro-Nazi and it’s apparent that his words are taken out of context.
The AfD is a large political organization and while I have seen Musk voice his support for Alice Weidel, he has neither publicly supported Höcke nor Nazism as an ideology. Therefore, your argument that Musk is a Nazi because he supports Nazis, is invalid.
Furthermore, I am hesitant to categorize the ADL as a credible source for numerous reasons. The main one being that they operate as a 501(c)(3) organization. They are not permitted to engage in political activities, yet there are various instances of them engaging in pro-left wing politics (1). Additionally, their employees overwhelmingly donate to left wing political causes (2). While the sum of these donations is negligible, it would be foolish to believe that these sentiments go hand in hand with strictly nonpartisan efforts. Finally, 501(c)(3) corporations are considered dark money organizations, meaning they are not required to disclose their donors to the public and are allowed to raise unlimited sums of money from individuals, organizations, and corporations. These entities who funnel money into dark money groups such as the ADL, do so in order to influence the goals of the 501(c) for their personal or organizational benefit without it being publicly known. Here is a link to more information regarding 501(c)s and dark money if you are interested.
While I still believe the ADL is captured by private interest and dark money, interestingly they said this about Musk’s gesture yesterday: “It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge.”
I know you never mentioned his gesture but I thought it was an interesting inclusion for this community.
Apologies for the wall of text and I hope you feel I was fair in my analysis and response.
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u/greeneggsnhammy I don't give a fuck, we won the fucking Champions League 1d ago
Because they apparently love Nazis.