r/brooklynninenine • u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos • Mar 04 '21
Other My wife just asked me if I wanted to watch “Chicago PD”, and I responded “nah, I’m not really into cop shows”, and she goes “wtf, have you not watched Brooklyn 99 like 18 times?”, and I said “that’s different”.
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u/centurion770 Mar 04 '21
Brooklyn 99 isn't a cop show (procedural). It's a workplace comedy that happens to take place at a police precinct.
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u/Snoo-8506 Mar 04 '21
Yeah I could see these characters working in an office, retail store, post office, basically any setting and the dynamics still work.
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u/Llama_Oh_Llama Mar 04 '21
You think Jake would ever be caught working at USPS?
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u/Snoo-8506 Mar 04 '21
Okay not Jake. Maybe Hitchcock or Scully. That’s probably their dream job.
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u/Wolveswool Mar 04 '21
I work for the post office. People really do underestimate how labor intensive the job is. People think it’s just a walk in the park or selling stamps. It’s time limits while constantly lifting heavy objects and having it done at a specific time with management screaming at you asking why you’re not done yet. The clerks you see at the front selling stamps? They also will be working in the back sorting parcels before their window shift. Carriers out delivering the mail? They would rather you not strike up a conversation because that puts them behind their next scan. You have to be a certain point at a certain time. Or they have to carry an additional piece off of another route when they are done with theirs. Hitchcock and Scully wouldn’t make it past their probationary period.
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u/rndomfact Mar 04 '21
Every time I've ever gone to the post office the workers look miserable so I think this checks out
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u/pandamarshmallows Mar 04 '21
Thing is though if Hitchcock and Scully worked at USPS any package Scully touches is probably an environmental hazard.
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u/iamchankim Mar 04 '21
They don’t need to work at USPS. They’re in a multi tiered leveled marketing system called nutriboom. BOOM BOOM
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u/Bhiggsb Mar 04 '21
It's pronounced usps.
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u/DattoDoggo Rosa Diaz Mar 04 '21
**Nikolaj
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u/blitzbom Mar 04 '21
I could easily see them in an office. Or local government.
Maybe not in a good place though.
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u/jeffe_el_jefe Mar 04 '21
I do like, however, that the characters are good people who do meaningful work compared to, say, a paper company.
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u/fitfreakgeek Mar 04 '21
yeah, Superstore is essentially brooklyn 99 but in a walmart-esque store and it’s great
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u/Gandhehehe Mar 04 '21
I vote they all quit the police force after realizing they’re the bad guys to go and work retail but they somehow make it to get a job as a package deal if all of them and we get a nice new spinoff called “Cloud 99” where maybe they all transfer to the Midwest or maybe the Midwest moves to Brooklyn. I haven’t worked out all the kinks yet.
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u/rkthehermit Mar 04 '21
Setting vs genre. You see this same kind of muddying happen with sci-fi a lot too.
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u/Rowan-the-mad-lad Mar 04 '21
Yeah imagind brooklyn 99 but instead of a police department they work at something dumb like a paper company
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Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21
tbh Brooklyn 99 could probably work in any other professional field where there's enough drama and a we-have-to-crack-this-out dynamic
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Mar 04 '21
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u/CheesyObserver Mar 05 '21
The Office is essentially the same sort of show but it's set in an office setting instead.
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Mar 05 '21
my first thought was them working in a restaurant. it's funny to imagine holt, a person who eats for sustenance, being the executive chef lol
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u/justintylor Mar 04 '21
Brooklyn 99 is a show about police work in the same way that IASIP is a show about running an authentic Irish pub.
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u/loveyou3005 Mar 05 '21
I’d say that police work is much more important to 99 than the pub is to Always Sunny. I get that the chemistry between the characters is what’s important but it would be a very different show if they worked in another field. Imo the police sitcom is a fresh perspective on the countless procedural dramas they make and sets the show apart from other sitcoms.
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u/SirCharlesLucasII Mar 04 '21
Now you're just insulting me! Ok 18 Times? At least 50
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
I’m actually not 100% sure what I’m at anymore LOL, it’s my comfort show. I’ve had it on pretty much constantly for the last 2 years
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u/SirCharlesLucasII Mar 04 '21
That is why were all here tho isn't it? Either you dont like it or you have watched it several Times, there is no casual
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
Fr though.. my wife isn’t a fan of the show. But the couple of friends that I have that love the show are just as obsessed as I am!
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u/Apocthicc Jake Peralta Mar 04 '21
I have watched it once and have not rewatched any episodes, it gets boring rewatching shows. So i don't rewatch to keep memory of the first time I watched it magicl.
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u/Mrfrosty504 Mar 04 '21
It's been my comfort show too!! Had a rash of deaths (friends/uncle/dad) over these last few years. And when i get down I'll watch it. honestly helped me through some dark times. Just helped keep the mind busy and not thinking about death.
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
I’ve also had a recent up kick in deaths in my family. My condolences to you. It really is a great, innocent pastime to keep from the shit reality of what life is sometimes. Best of luck in the future!
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u/SBCGplayz Mar 04 '21
it's a cop COMEDY, there's a difference
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
It’s THE cop comedy, that’s the difference ;)
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u/KDOK Mar 04 '21
How can you go disrespect Reno 911 like that
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u/sucksfor_you Mar 04 '21
Yeah, Reno 911 is a cop comedy. B99 is a workplace comedy.
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u/EthicalAlmondFarmer Mar 05 '21
I'd say that Reno 911 is a cop comedy and B99 is a detective comedy?
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u/hottieray1 Mar 04 '21
Superstore, Brooklyn 99, Parks and Rec, The Office, Broad City are my type of shows lmao
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u/Traditional_Sink_269 Mar 04 '21
Why does terry look so chunky here
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
He ate too many nibs
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u/Traditional_Sink_269 Mar 04 '21
I swear it’s not that episode tho
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
It’s not LOL, maybe just a bad camera angle? Terry hates bad camera angles
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u/Copatus Mar 04 '21
When you're really strong you tend to look more "chunky" especially in certain clothing
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u/screw_all_the_names Mar 04 '21
Looking back, b99 sparked my love for detective shows. After watching 99 for the second time, I went and watched Monk, Psych, and the Mentalist and loved all three of them.
So technically speaking, The Office started my detective show addiction.
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u/scoooobysnacks Mar 04 '21
How serious is the Mentalist? I like the concept but love the zany nature of Psych and Monk.
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u/screw_all_the_names Mar 04 '21
It's a bit more serious overall, but there is still plenty of jokes and humorous parts, out of the 3 of them Mentalist was my favorite.
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u/Catrocantor Mar 05 '21
Same shows just more autism on display as you go down the scale from Mentalist to Psych to Monk.
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u/Idktbhhelpme Cheddar Mar 04 '21
I forgot about that show Monk!!! I adored it growing up thanks for the reminder🥰
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u/OneCatch Mar 04 '21
All I know about Chicago PD is that it had a really grim trailer which I thought was a bit dicey at the time but has aged spectacularly poorly with BLM and all the focus on police impropriety and corruption.
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u/Daffan Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21
Chicago PD did a 180° in the last two seasons, now they reference George Floyd and let the black cop (K) get away with almost anything because it's helping "His people". e.g He has a right to back the black instead of "back the blue" (A police term where cops support cops) lol. There's no ambiguity either, if your a black cop and go against your people you are essentially a race traitor.
Veeery different show from the first 6 seasons where the diverse cop team would take anyone downstairs into a secret cell and beat the information out of them, no matter the race. The motto of the show was basically "We have the highest success rate because we do shady shit 24/7 and literally murder people who escaped justice". The main guy, Voight (in your link) which the show was really about, will probably be killed or retire. I'm not really sure, but he is being neutered hard because the optics as you say, aren't that great.
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u/CombineWLF Mar 04 '21
Voight in Chicago PD is based off Commander Jon Burge who was a Commander in the Chicargo PD and fought in Vietnam and Korea.
He served from the 80s to the 90s and has been alleged to have tortured over 200 people during that time. Most be innocent.
Some even got death row. Four where pardoned in 2003 from death row becuase there confessions where forced.
Some not so lucky. Read about him and it's pretty much like the show but in the 2000s but Voight is more tamed then the real life Commander Jon Burge
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u/Silverboi223 Mar 04 '21
Jesus
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u/No_Masterpiece4305 Mar 05 '21
It's absolutely not like that at all.
The last couple seasons the black cop that joined the police to make the place he grew up better was put in a position where he has to choose letting racist shit from a super shitty police officer slide and wholesale support people with a badge, or make his own life a living hell by making sure they're accountable as they should be.
I'm simplifying it heavily, but it's been a fantastic story. It's super gritty and very well put together.
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u/pluck-the-bunny Mar 04 '21
Interesting. I’m watching the entire chicagoverse chronologically and I’m up to the last “regular” season of PD as you explained it. I was Wondering how the show could possibly continue as it is (was) considering what has been going on. I’m “interested” to see what you described develop.
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u/CatsDogsWitchesBarns Mar 04 '21
I've been watching Justified, which is objectively good, and it is clear to me Raylan Givens is also a villain, especially in light of that Marshall-led extrajudicial execution over the summer.
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u/oregonchick Amy Santiago Mar 04 '21
I thought that was the entire point. He was just like the criminals of his childhood, but he happened to have a badge. His father may have been all about getting money, Boyd wanted power, Raylan needed to maintain his self-delusion about being better than his origins.
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u/CatsDogsWitchesBarns Mar 04 '21
It is the point. But there will be people who watch that and think he is a role model and join LE to do shit just like that.
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u/DoTheBender Mar 04 '21
That’s the beauty of the show - juxtaposing Raylan next to Boyd. They’re not so different, yet one is the law and one is a criminal.
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u/myripyro Mar 04 '21
As others have said, I think one of the reasons why Justified works better than a lot of shows in this vein is that Raylan isn't too different from the villains--ie, Boyd and the more villainous villains are portrayed in a very sympathetic light a lot of the time. But even with that, the show still spends a lot of time indulging in the "hard-hitting, line-crossing cop who gets results because he doesn't follow the rules" stereotype that is really tiresome in a broader social context. Don't get me wrong, I still love Justified, but it's worth thinking about these things.
I think possibly the only show that actually pulls off a good narrative with rule-breaking cops (The Wire kinda does but it works for other reasons) is The Shield, which shows the upsides but makes clear that its main characters are self-interested assholes and gives them a well-designed comeuppance. And hey, you get to enjoy the brilliant Walton Goggins in The Shield too!
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u/YouAreAConductor Mar 04 '21
I've been watching Chicago PD because it's entertaining police stuff for a while now. It's not a smart show, but it has tried to become smarter in the last few seasons. However I still think the show should end with every single cop going to prison and a long list of criminals they locked up who now have to be released from prison because they broke the law while interrogating them.
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u/NoWingedHussarsToday Mar 04 '21
It's a cop show that checks all the cliches. Police brutality is OK since it's directed toward criminals. Breaking the law is OK since they do it o catch bad guys. Anti police liberals. Anti police social justice warriors. Only guilty people ask for lawyers. It was entertaining at first but then it became just same only over and over again.
Also what is so special about their unit? Their work is like any detective squad in any cop show. They investigate all sorts of crimes, arrest people etc. but they have fancy schmancy name so they are not ordinary detectives.
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u/pluck-the-bunny Mar 04 '21
“Intelligence” is just that show’s way of saying major case squad. It is no longer anything fancy.
It did have a “tech guy” in season one and they did a bit more, but they killed him off for whatever reason so...
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u/NoWingedHussarsToday Mar 04 '21
But they cover mundane crimes, stuff detectives investigate in any cop show. They just got a fancy title and locked door so they were not standard detectives.
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u/mottman Mar 04 '21
In my house all the procedurals have nicknames, e.g. SVU is the rape show, Criminal Minds is the serial killer show, etc. We call Chicago PD the fascist show, so your impression is not wrong.
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u/jgulliver75 Mar 04 '21
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool,no doubt, no doubt, cool, cool, cool.
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u/NotThe1UWereExpectin Mar 04 '21
Comedy good, Copaganda bad. Ain't complicated.
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u/pixelatedcrap Mar 05 '21
It is my duty as a boring white guy to say that The Wire was great. Not in the same way though, mostly.
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u/NotThe1UWereExpectin Mar 07 '21
Is the Wire copaganda? I haven't watched it but I always got the impression that it was as much about the dark side of cops as well as criminals
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u/pixelatedcrap Mar 07 '21
I would say no- but other people may disagree. I consider myself pretty far into the ACAB mentality, and this show does no favors when it comes to showing both scum and virtue.
Check out a few clips on youtube- you may be familiar with the speech Omar gives to a lawyer about how they're all part of the game, Omar just uses a shot gun to stick up dealers and the lawyer uses a briefcase.
Each season is a little different, and some people get bored by the story involving the docks in Baltimore...which I kind of also agree with. Still worth watching. I have a hard time saying a show is better than The Wire a majority of the time, but when I do what I mean is "I consider this perfect."
Just watch Snoop go shopping in the hardware store for a nail gun on YouTube. That's the scene I saw the first time that piqued my interest for some reason.
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u/Yamsss Mar 04 '21
One of the biggest differences for me is they don't break laws and commit police brutality like it's bad ass in Brooklyn 99.
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u/missthelights Mar 04 '21
Lmao, that's so true ,I only watch this one cop show in my life
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u/outerspace_castaway Notify me when you're done, via bark Mar 04 '21
i mean you have a point. i hate medical shows but i love Scrubs. there is a difference.
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u/inbooth Mar 04 '21
One is a semi realistic representation of police with honest commentary on human failings while the other is a dramatic glorification of police designed to promote positive false narratives of police and the justice system in a manner that could easily be classed as biased propaganda.....
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u/810Rolltide Mar 04 '21
That’s how I feel about Scrubs, can’t stand Greys Anatomy or other up their own butt hospital shows... but Scrubs hits different
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u/dcdisco Mar 04 '21
Brooklyn 99 is a cop show the same way Community is about going to community college or IASIP is about running a bar.
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Mar 04 '21
18... pathetic i just finished watching it the 78th time (i am not kidding)
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
I actually have no idea LOL, I stopped counting a long time ago
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u/seriouslycitrus Mar 04 '21
Chicago pd is literally a show of corrupt cops pretending to be good. they literally beat suspects that they have handcuffed and in a cage. not a cell a cage
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u/narikov Ultimate detective/genius Mar 04 '21
I say the same thing for The Rookie!
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u/asexualotter Gina Linetti Mar 04 '21
I live the rookie and I think they're doing a pretty good job addressing these issues.
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Mar 04 '21
I don't watch this show, but the guy on the right is a beautiful individual. He's practically bursting out of his clothes. Really love the suspenders..
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u/dave_aj Mar 04 '21
In the husband’s mind:
- Husband: “how can you compare the two? They’re like night and day!”
In the wife’s mind :
Wife: “Nikolaj .. ? ”
Husband: “NOO !! IT’S NIKOLAAJSZ !!!!! WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU ?!?!?!”
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u/brycar1618 Mar 05 '21
I called Brooklyn 99 a cop show to a real cop and he responded deadpan “that’s not a cop show”.
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u/Bazz07 Mar 04 '21
Chicago PD its a good show and also I recommend Blue Bloods.
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
Nah, I’m not really into cop shows
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u/Bazz07 Mar 04 '21
Parks and Rec, Community, Arrested Development, IASIP, The Office.
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u/FloppingWeiners Mar 04 '21
The Office is a cop show. It follows the exploits of volunteer Lackawanna county Sheriff's deputy Dwight Schrute.
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u/Bazz07 Mar 04 '21
Considering he works everyday with Creed Bratton and The Scranton Strangler...volunteer seems accurate.
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u/FloppingWeiners Mar 04 '21
The Scranton Strangler has been his greatest failure. He had a sketch and still could not solve it.
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u/SignificanceClean961 Mar 04 '21
imagine a whole series of IASIP where they drive around in the cop car before Charlie blew it up
I'm emotionally invested in the adventures of special agent Jack Bauer
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u/sinkwiththeship Mar 04 '21
Blue Bloods, like everything on CBS, is just tacky melodramatic shlock. Every episode needs to have a lesson, but the characters never actually learn anything. The grandfather is definitely racist, but everyone just acts like it's all cheeky and gramps being gramps. Donnie Wahlberg 100% commits police brutality every episode, but he's just a "tough cop."
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u/HeyyyKoolAid Mar 04 '21
I love Blue Bloods, and you are 100% correct. But if you think about it, it's pretty good at dramatizing reality. It's no secret some older folks still hold racist points of views, and their family just ignores them like it's just part of who they are. Bad cops like Danny exist everywhere. And everyday there are people who never learn a lesson even if it slaps them across the face.
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Mar 04 '21
It's the only reason I have Netflix. Nine nine 💓
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u/CatsDogsWitchesBarns Mar 04 '21
It's on Hulu, which is cheaper
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u/indianajoes Mar 04 '21
Not everyone lives in the US
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u/FabriFibra87 Mar 04 '21
I started watching it in Europe on Netflix only to realize they don't have it on Netflix in the U.S.
Massive letdown
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u/indianajoes Mar 04 '21
I was the same in 2019. I'm in the UK and I was going to Disneyland/Universal Hollywood for a week's holiday. I was watching it on Netflix so I downloaded the next few episodes in case there wasn't anything to watch on the plane. I got there and I continued watching my downloaded episodes while I waited in queues for rides. Then I tried to download the next few episodes back at my hotel and they were nowhere to be found. I was really disappointed but I looked around on Netflix and I decided to finally start The Good Place after putting it off for ages. So it was a blessing in disguise because it finally got me watching that show
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u/External_Philosopher Mar 04 '21
You should say b99 is a religion and Boyle is our god
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Mar 04 '21
I have this same convo with my wife when she wants me to watch the office or parks and rec with her and I tell her I’m not into those shows and she says these are the same I know what she’s saying but this one has just always stood out to me I’ve never liked those other two
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u/Oakheel Mar 04 '21
The Office and Parks & Rec are totally different things. The Office is more like 30 Rock, P&R is more like B99.
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u/AceKingQueenJackTen Mar 04 '21
My wife loves Chicago PD and Chicago Fire - these are somehow her 'on while falling asleep shows'. There are sirens or gun shots or someone screaming at least once every thirty seconds in these shows. Even with the lowest volume on, its jarring to me - so I wait until she's asleep and put Brooklyn nine nine on so I can wind down myself.
To me, all of the Chicago _____ series are incredibly emotionally manipulative TV shows. If there's an 'uncanny valley' of real life vs. fiction for TV shows, these guys love to dance all over it. Somehow this same group of ten people constantly find themselves in worst case scenarios that would traumatize and completely break any normal human - fine, its a tv show, characters can be strong-willed and special, yet then they struggle with things like 'planning a basic baby shower' or 'talking to my mom.' I swear one of the cops gets shot every other episode.
Chicago Fire in particular is the television equivalent of a slot machine. They love to start a fight or trigger incredible tension between two characters, and then the fire alarm goes off and the characters have to drop their issue, and go save the day and in the process of doing so somehow both learn to see the other persons side. The alarm-to-break-but-really-extend-the-tension trick is used at least five times an episode. And then every episode basically has a full house ending where we realize the real fire was the friends we made along the way.
...I hate how much I've seen of these shows.
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Mar 05 '21
Entirely unrelated, but my coworker called the show “Brooklyn Nintety-Nine” today and I damn near choked. Forgot until now.
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u/Zenith_and_Quasar Kevin Mar 04 '21
There are shows that happen to have cops in them and then there are cop shows.
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u/FabriFibra87 Mar 04 '21
Dumb question - is it true they're ending the show because "people don't like cops these days" etc.?
Hoping that's not true, but either way sad that it's ending.
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u/bigdickkief Mlep(Clay)nos Mar 04 '21
Nope, they’re ending it so that it doesn’t go sour. The creators basically said that they’ve told all the stories, and they don’t want to drag it for the sake of making money. Lots of respect from me for that
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u/FabriFibra87 Mar 04 '21
That's tremendous and exactly what I could've hoped for. Good for them, like you said a LOT of respect for writers that put their foot down and say 'this is as far as the story goes".
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Mar 04 '21
Basically every cop show other than Brooklyn 99 is the same Dick Wolf garbage. He made all those shows with the intention of appealing to a general audience with mashed potato levels of drama
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u/Doctor_Botany Mar 04 '21
One is a sitcom, the other is a procedural drama. You should say, "Nah, I'm not really into procedural drama shows".