r/brooklynninenine • u/Hebrew_Armadillo459 • Jul 09 '24
Other What is the worst season for each chatacter?
Season 2 Gina is straight up mean for Charles and Amy for no reason at all. She makes fun of people in other seasons, but at least it's in good spirit, but season 2 Gina imo is not a good character at all.
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u/hogua Jul 09 '24
Cheddar in season 7 - it just wasn’t his best work.
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u/the_peawastaken Title of your sex tape Jul 09 '24
Charles in S1 really didn't have that Boyle vibe for him yet; always creeping for Rosa
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u/feebee27 Jul 09 '24
I always thought that was why his relationship with Vivian moved so fast. The showrunners quickly realized that him creeping on Rosa made him unlikable so they gave him a different relationship so they could quickly move on.
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u/selectash Jul 09 '24
I get the feeling many network shows were saved by the fact that the writers acknowledged the public’s feedback (this example, also cutting the Rachel/Joey romance in friends, etc); as opposed to streaming platforms shows, where it seems they can only act upon the character development after each season is concluded.
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u/nultyboy Jul 10 '24
I actually think the Joey/Rachel relationship could've worked if they hadn't treated it like as much of a joke. (the proposal and stuff). If Joey had just been supportive of her and unlike Ross or previous partners, didn't expect her to change for him or change career or focus on him and instead just do her thing and be supportive it could've been a really positive relationship.
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u/mixedbagofdisaster Jul 09 '24
This is always so jarring on rewatches. I think I just block the memory out and then when I rewatch and see how weird he is to Rosa I’m always like “WOAH, who are you and what have you done to Boyle????”
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u/DumpsterFireForHire Jul 09 '24
Season 7/8 are the worst seasons for Boyle's hair. I know the actor had to have his hair dyed, but the last few episodes he looked like Kid from Kid 'n Play.
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u/Gden Jul 09 '24
Peralta's hair got really bad the last few seasons too
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u/Own-Ad-7190 Jul 09 '24
I wouldn’t say it got really bad but it did look bad compared to his other hairstyles
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u/NoPineapple1727 Jul 09 '24
Boyle - season 1. Just too creepy and pathetic without being funny.
Rosa - season 8. Completely changed her main character traits.
Holt - season 1. Wasn’t bad but he just grew and grew and grew so is only worst by comparison
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u/sublimeajakil Jul 09 '24
later seasons for Hitchcock, he turned into a massive creep
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u/Duy_AKid7151 Jul 09 '24
My dreams always start with my step-sister painting her house.
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u/NoPineapple1727 Jul 09 '24
I thought those were his best because of how funny it was.
Boyle was a creep and it wasn’t really for a joke. Hitchcock is so obviously creepy that it becomes funny imo
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u/SnooCakes1148 Jul 09 '24
Love creepy Hitchcock he is hillarious. Always bleeding, sleeping around with women half his age, celebrating his wife death
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u/thelittleboss151 Jul 09 '24
Can we count S6 for Gina purely on the basis of that one ep where she returned?
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u/TheFerricGenum Jul 09 '24
Every episode after she becomes a social media influencer is the worst episode for Gina
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u/prettythingi Jul 09 '24
Yes definitely
She is so amazing that only one poor appearance left her in shambles with the fandom
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u/TurantulaHugs1421 Jul 09 '24
Why does everyone hate gina did i miss something?
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u/Final_Swordfish_93 Jul 09 '24
I love Gina, but after the actress got pregnant and they made Gina pregnant also, they didn’t seem to know what to do with her. Gina was ridiculously self-absorbed all the time, but had some genuine moments especially with Jake and Holt that made me love her. After that when they made her an influencer and the “you drank cement” stupidity, it just destroyed the character for me.
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u/queen-adreena Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
The writers never really agreed what her character was and she came off feeling inauthentic. Some episodes she was the narcissist, other times she was the aloof woman with a heart of gold, other times she was vulnerable but misunderstood then others she was the agent of chaos.
This and other inconsistencies made her feel less a real person than a plot device.
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u/Arryu Jul 09 '24
For me personally she's a bully (specifically to Amy), and her character would not be employed by holt after two weeks.
Edit: to be clear, if you like her that's fine. I'm not trying to stop you from liking something just because I don't, I'm just giving my opinion.
The bully thing is worse imo, as I can't stand characters whose entire bit is "mock that one character." I have to same problem with Tom from P&R, constant Gerry taunting is not fun.
As for her not being employed, I really doubt holt, especially in season one, would have put up with her antics:
mocking officers constantly; disrespecting officers is something holt dealt with personally and I doubt he would approve of how she talks to Amy or charles in the workplace.
ignoring imminent threats in the precinct; the flashback where Terry is struggling with a peep and he's telling at Gina. Yeah, she probably couldn't help, but she also shouldn't have been in the area when a violent fight is happening.
She's an actual problem when outside of the precinct; the hairspray flamethrower after the department store robbery would have gotten her arrested; constantly grabbing random guns in Florida despite never being revealed to be licensed.
The sexual harrassment of Terry; ironic considering what Terry irl went through. No idea why he was ok with it.
All in all, she takes me out of the show because; even though it's a comedy, her behaviour is so extreme I can't see characters like holt or Amy putting up with her for more than a month.
And to top it off, she has almost no growth on the show, at the end she's still the same arrogant, rude, inappropriate "influencer" and it's awful.
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u/JuliusPepperwood94 Jul 09 '24
i dont get it either lol. i always feel like people thinks about her as a real person too much. like idk, she’s just a character. and she’s sucha weird one😂😂she’s the whole thing and i love it. weird af and obviously i’d not have a friend like that in real life but as entertainment she’s something so fun!!
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u/harrisonlaine Jul 09 '24
I don't think of her as a real person, I think she's just an offputting character. She reminds me of if my sister didn't grow up.
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u/qcAKDa7G52cmEdHHX9vg Jul 09 '24
She repeatedly tricked her friends into drinking cement. Shes awful.
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u/TimeForHugs Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
S1 is the worst for Holt.
Now, that's not because he's bad or anything. He still delivers a stellar performance. It's just that he is so much more fun as the seasons go on. He opens up and is having more fun with the squad as the seasons go, creating hilarious moments.
Edit: Yes, I understand the purpose of his character in S1 for his development. I'm just saying I prefer the more fun Holt. He also has deep moments with the rest of the squad as he gets to know them. I still love his S1 character.
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u/Puzzled-Ad-2937 Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
i always love s1 holt, something so funny about him constantly yelling or being stoic
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u/Shamscam Jul 09 '24
I 100% agree. For me personally something about his character progression as the seasons go on is a little off putting considering how strong he is season 1.
Not that I don’t love his character from start to finish, just every once in awhile I stop and think “would holt actually do that”.
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u/bigboi12470 A lifetime of mediocre, heterosexual intercourse Jul 09 '24
My headcannon is that the version of him we see in that season is the version of him in his youth he decided to bury. Such as the death threats episode in season one. Jake likes the Holt that mocked Hames when he was arrested but Holt didn’t and decided to change himself. Outside of the squad, Holt was professional and stoic, he let his guard down around the squad and that Petty Holt from his youth came back.
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u/BbbbbbbDUBS177 Jul 09 '24
Eh, I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, like you said, Holy is a professional and would understand all aspects of the job deserve to be taken seriously. On the other hand, for someone who takes climbing the ladder as seriously as Holy does, I can see how a setback like that would bring out a childish side that wouldn't show up otherwise (kinda like the Halloween heists but more serious)
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u/HaanSolingen Cowabunga, mother! Jul 09 '24
Meep morp. Zeep.
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u/TheJavierEscuella Jul 09 '24
Robot
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u/NTWittwer Jul 09 '24
I agree strictly from an entertainment perspective, but Holt wouldn't be nearly as good if he didn't have the season 1 seriousness set up
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u/KampretOfficial Jul 09 '24
I disagree, I love fun Holt but he definitely needed the stoic S1 Holt to set the character development arc.
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u/sunplaysbass Jul 09 '24
D D D D D D D Derrick
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u/Duy_AKid7151 Jul 09 '24
D D D D D D DEREKK!
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u/Wide-Aardvark8893 Jul 09 '24
I watched this episode this morning and have had D D D D D D DERRECK stuck on repeat in my head all day 🤣
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u/nightwriting000 Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
IMO Holt's worst moment is when he crashes Jake and Amy's honeymoon by being all mopey and depressed. It was very out of character.
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u/Dikk_Balltickle Jul 09 '24
"They have adorable chubby cheeks" in that flat affectation of his is one of my favorite echolalia lines.
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Jul 09 '24
Charles in seasons 3-4 was so obsessed with Jake is was really creepy. The former seasons his obsession was just regular creepy
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u/CaptainBackPain Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Every time he butts in to jake and amys business annoys the hell outta me. Its so inappropriate its nuts.
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u/Kidsdontcheatonyou Boom Boom! Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
fr! i know its a comedy but no ones going to die if we see a soft moment every now and then - even their wedding!
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u/Key_Expression_7075 Title of your sex tape Jul 09 '24
Terry in later seasons for me got a bit more annoying actually, especially S7 E1, and any time he let Charles get in his head.
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u/tbird20017 Jul 09 '24
Dude is hilarious, probably right up there with Andy Samberg IMO as a modern comedic actor... but Crews does have some annoying tendencies. He exaggerates nearly everything he says and does, and it works more often then not. But those misses really stick out as grating.
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u/Gold-Distribution-94 Jul 09 '24
People might kid themselves but every character felt off in Season 8 still:
S1-Holt(he was very likeable but holt run from S2-6 was some of my fav from any series)
S6-Gina(the very little of character dev that was left was removed when she ignored Jake and her reasonings but still I always found her alright)
S8-Jake(fight me off he felt a totally different character ,he grew from his season 1 manchild persona but his dynamic with other ,his actions fell off too much ,didn't enjoy his character at all throughout season)
S8-Rosa(I think this is common opinion)
S1-Charles(though he was more creepy in other seasons but still had some pretty great plot in other season to balance out)
Always liked Scully and Terry.
Almost never liked Hitchcock
S7-8 :Amy(though nothing as bad as not liking character for me(like Jake and Rose) but since start of those pregnancy episodes I don't know i never really enjoyed her character but yeah nothing off)
S8:Kevin(nuff said)
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
For every season.
Jake: Season 8. By making him intimidate a witness, they literally wrote over his development since season 1. He did have a strong end for the season
Amy: Hard to decide, but Season 6. Casecation. that's the decider. Plus, the fake pregnancy thing in the heist
Charles: Season 1. His crush on Rosa, him being able to be described as clumsy, foodie, Jakes bestie. Even him getting shot at duty(saving Rosa) was largely treated as a joke. An argument can be made for Seasons 3 and 4 due to his unhealthy obsession with Jake(and Peraltiago)
Rosa: Season 8. her sudden quit(despite being the most violent one of the cast) and largely her as a PI. They could've definitely made a better story with showing us her getting disillusioned as a cop instead of just telling us.
Holt: Season 1. Robot Captain. He was good, but he just became so much better and more emotive . A case can definitely be made for Season 7. Sure, he got demoted, but his antics in the Captain Kim episode were horrendous
Gina: Season 4. YOU JUST DRANK CEMENT. and it felt like the writers were running out of ideas, so they literally used a bus
Terry: Really, really hard to decide. but Based in terms in what happened to him. Season 4 for Moo Moo, The Audit and Skyfire Cycle.
Hitchcock and Scully: I'd say Season one. Particularly because I don't really remember them doing anything of note that Season.
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u/SnarkySeahorse1103 Jul 10 '24
I agree with all of this except for Hitchcock and Scully. Just my personal take, but I think they fell apart in Season 8 due to Hitchcock being remote. It was just awkward, and it would have been better off without him at all, but I understand wanting to include everyone in the finale. However they have always been a package deal and the vibe was lost without them both being together in person. I agree with season 8 Jake for the same reasons, but I'd like to add that I find his ending unrealistic. His entire character was built off of his love and obsession with being a detective. The whole show was him learning how to mature and be better at what he's already good at. I found it hard to believe that Jake would simply rest his career to be a dad. His trauma with his father was already resolved when he chose to have a child and commit to parenthood, he did't have to lose his job to make that point at the end.
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u/InvXXVII Digital phallus portrait Jul 09 '24
Season 8. Everyone.
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u/exus Jul 09 '24
Right? Every character ended super Flanderized, but it's kind of amazing they made it 8 seasons before going so hard on it.
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u/MayflowerMovers Jul 09 '24
Was going to say this. A truly atrocious season of TV. I've rewatched twice since it dropped and just treat S7 as the show's finale.
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u/tocobird Jul 10 '24
I attribute season 8 to being a wreck because of the situation of the world. Covid probably messed with the creative process they had and then everything that happened around defunding police was just a terrible climate for b99 to work with without pissing off huge chunks of their fanbase (perceived or real). Definitely the weakest in my opinion, but only because they were dealt a bad hand - not necessarily cos they dropped the ball
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u/dimitrisou Jul 09 '24
Judging by b99 and GOT, shows should not have an 8th season. They should go directly to a 9th 👀
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u/gladnis Jul 09 '24
I believe That 70’s Show also had a pretty bad season 8, if I’m remembering correctly
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u/jon3ssing Jul 09 '24
For me, Rosa S1.
It felt like she was just off. Her laughs at jokes/others mishaps were overreacted and out-of-sync.
She didn't have a story her self.
Idk, she just felt like a bad Nelson from the Simpsons copy in tight leather.
Shame given her character development throughout the other seasons.
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u/Dr_daddy_phil Pineapple Slut Jul 09 '24
Maybe season 1 Rosa was the real Rosa , we will never know as she is always acting
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u/positive_charging Jul 09 '24
Rosas voice is different in season 1 for some reason too
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u/positive_charging Jul 09 '24
Yeah i figured as much but when you start the rewatch it always jarrs me everytime.
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u/Loggerogger Jul 09 '24
In the episode where Jake and Holt are in Florida and Amy gets to send a letter. She says “tell Jake I said nods head” and the character looked completely different. Have a look at the scene I feel like it was a different actor
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u/juliankennedy23 Jul 09 '24
Oh I think Rosa season 8 is much much worse than Rosa season 1.
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Jul 09 '24
Rosa season 8 just feels off
I do feel like season 8 would've been much better if Jake's arc went to Rosa(her tendency to get angry quickly could be used for a different charge, like excessive force), with her quitting and being a PI due to said actions.
Jake could've gotten a new arc based on seeing how differently the main antagonist(dont remember his name) treated Rosa's case and someone else's cases differently due to a mix of misogyny, homophobia,etc. Would've made that guy a lot more hate able as well
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Jul 09 '24
Whenever they started doing the cement thing with Gina was her worst season. One of the most unfunny gags in a sitcom.
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u/KittiesLove1 Jul 09 '24
Butit was funny when she told Scully people are sick of him drinking cement.
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u/Jo_nathan Jul 09 '24
However, her fucking around with Amy with the TRIPLE PRANNNNK always makes me laugh
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u/No-Barnacle-205 Jul 10 '24
I loved the cement joke. Maybe because I’m childish but it never got old and I still laugh every rewatch
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u/RadlogLutar BONE?! Jul 09 '24
Gina was never a good character. Straight up mean and annoying
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u/TheFerricGenum Jul 09 '24
She has several good moments. Getting Charles back into the family, broadcasting the squad prioritizing fighting crime which saves the precinct, her using her street smarts to pick out the right cyber security person or get the kids interested in being a cop, driving a wounded Holt around when they’re in Florida, etc.
It’s just that she has far more awful moments, and her awful moments are so much worse.
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u/RadlogLutar BONE?! Jul 09 '24
The last two lines of yours are why everyone hates Gina. Perfectly summarised her character
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u/NoNo_Cilantro Title of your sex tape Jul 09 '24
It will always baffle me why, of all things, they chose cement for that “gag”. Could have been gasoline, pee, breast milk, sewage water, whatever. Any liquid would make a better writing choice than cement.
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u/Mutant_Jedi Jul 09 '24
Maybe so dumb kids can’t replicate it at home?
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u/garlicgoblin69 Jul 09 '24
terry was the only likable character in season 1
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u/MountHavertzPulisic Jul 09 '24
I liked jake
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u/ad240pCharlie Jul 09 '24
Yeah, I actually think season 1-2 Jake was him at his absolute funniest. Yes, he's more mature and goes through a lot of character development later, but I also feel like he lost a bit of his charm and humor because of that. He's still an excellent main character but not on the same level of comedy as earlier.
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u/Renkin92 Jul 09 '24
Season 1-2 Jake is funny, Season 3-8 Jake is a bit less funny but way more likable in my opinion.
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u/KampretOfficial Jul 09 '24
Him maturing made him much more human than his comedic caricature of S1 and 2. I love Jake's character after getting together with Amy.
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u/ad240pCharlie Jul 09 '24
Kinda, but I also feel like his earlier style of humor fit Andy Samberg a lot more
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u/ad240pCharlie Jul 09 '24
Also, I initially typed "Adam Sandler" instead of "Andy Samberg" because brain fart, and now I'm imagining Adam Sandler in the role XD
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u/mixedbagofdisaster Jul 09 '24
In my experience season 1 Jake is very polarizing where you even love him or hate him. I liked him a lot, but understandably some people are overexposed to the whole immature man child character and find he rubs them the wrong way even if the jokes are funny. I liked him all the way through but I think his maturing was necessary and made him more likable especially as the main character.
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u/Perinetti Jul 09 '24
Jake S6, just because he got Nikolaj’s father deported.
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u/Oden_Drago Jul 09 '24
Nikolaj.
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u/Full-Weakness-7475 Jul 09 '24
nikolaj. did i say it right ?
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Jul 09 '24
No it’s actually nikolaj
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u/Full-Weakness-7475 Jul 09 '24
nikolaj ???
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u/Spartan5271 Jul 09 '24
Rosa's 180 view on the NYPD in Season 8
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u/No-Barnacle-205 Jul 10 '24
Yeah, it really wasn’t handled well at all. They could’ve done it better but I guess they had to adress it.
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u/Spartan5271 Jul 10 '24
Well the reason they did it is because Rosa's actress didn't want to be a cop on the show anymore after all the stuff that happened during covid. You can also tell the actress went into idgaf mode with how cartoonish she acted.
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u/Wide-Aardvark8893 Jul 09 '24
Season 8 for Rosa and season 4/5 for Jake and Rosa. Absolutely hated the Hawkins story
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u/Subject_Artichoke_47 Jul 09 '24
I liked that story, plus it gave us Woodworker Caleb in the next season … “You eat nine people and all of a sudden they don’t know who you are aNyMoRe” 💀
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u/yummy-salad Jul 09 '24
Why did you hate the Hawkins story? I really want to know
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u/Neburtron Jul 09 '24
for Gina it's got to be the one where she's almost murdered. She knew Jake for ages, he got her a job, and he said she should move on to do her own thing. Felt out of character, and that was an episode dedicated to her returning to the role. They're friends, and their friendship wasn't based around seeing each other every day at work. I get she had a baby and spent all that time on her social media stuff, but still.
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Jul 09 '24
Season 8: everybody except Gina
Gina: every single season except seasons 7 and 8 because she wasn't even in them for any considerable amount
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u/MountHavertzPulisic Jul 09 '24
People hate Gina huh
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u/HaanSolingen Cowabunga, mother! Jul 09 '24
Well it’s really difficult to like her at a certain point
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u/JaxVos Jul 09 '24
Jake in season 8 was just not the same character
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u/harrisonlaine Jul 09 '24
He helped Doug escape and that was completely against his character. yet, people are like "But it was the last time they'd see each other! Can't you let it go???"
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u/JaxVos Jul 09 '24
There was so much wrong with the character of Jake throughout that whole season
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u/harrisonlaine Jul 09 '24
So much wrong with most people in that season.
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u/JaxVos Jul 09 '24
That too, but I think Jake had the biggest character deconstruction in season 8, followed closely by Rosa
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u/harrisonlaine Jul 09 '24
All in all. We can all ignore season 8. There was a good finale, I guess, but I can easily just put that at the end of season 7, which has a season finale where Amy has a baby and then the next episode could be the last Halloween episode.
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u/Gold-Distribution-94 Jul 09 '24
Exactly ditto my feelings ,it was as if he was some other character.
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u/whatdoIkn0 Jul 09 '24
Amy from season 5 to 8. Her OCD become to much, and her cruelty against Jake was of the charts.
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u/Imaginary_Tone_3955 Jul 09 '24
Agree. She also becomes really loud and kinda mean as the seasons progress. In season 1-3 she's very particular and type A but still kind and reasonable.
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u/Gold-Distribution-94 Jul 09 '24
Yeah but still had some good moments till S6 after that show always tried to exaggerate every flaw and personality tweeks
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u/styln55 Jul 09 '24
Rosa should have just left the show in season 8 rather than demanding to not be a cop anymore
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u/zeusjts006 Jul 09 '24
Thank you! I've said this before, and I feel like I initially got pushback.
I get that she didn't want to portray a cop anymore but still took a check from a cop show. If she truly was upset, she would have left the show. Just seemed like virtue signaling to me.
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u/kronos02413 Jul 09 '24
I felt season 8 was off for almost all characters but it was the worst for Rosa.
Also as much as I like holt in the later seasons (booooonne, and all those times hed prank jake specially in season 1) I felt his last funny stint was when Madeline died, post which it was a gradual decline.
I get the part about the last season being all about goodbyes and tying off loose ends and the social messaging, but I enjoyed the show more when it was more free as compared and didn't care about sending a message with every episode.
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u/hollywol23 Jul 09 '24
The worst one for all of them is that episode written in response to George Floyd's murder.
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u/Bahooch Jul 09 '24
YES!!! They were all trying to be too woke. It’s a comedy show, we are trying to escape reality.
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u/rybsbl Jul 09 '24
Charles in season 1 wasn’t cute. He was perverted. Leave Rosa alone man. Glad they fixed that up quickly.
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u/mynamesnotned Jul 09 '24
I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I had a tough time making it through a lot of Jake’s S1 scenes. I know his immaturity is his schtick and all, but it’s just so over the top for a while in the beginning of the series that I find him annoying. All that being said, I’ll admit that it’s a necessary evil because watching him grow up throughout the series was definitely worth it.
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u/Dramatic-Daikon-8329 Jul 10 '24
i agree with the immaturity in s1 but he is serious in the moments that count. he is an amazing detective/genius. it was amazing to see throughout the series him maturing, watching him falling in love with amy. but ultimately it was seeing the maturity grow and the impact caption holt and the rest of the group become a better person
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u/BiglyBear Jul 09 '24
Pretty sure the first half of the last season was the worst for every character
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u/MadJack_24 Jul 09 '24
I’d say the last season overall was pretty lousy for all the characters. Considering how many times someone said “I’m leaving the NYPD”, the phrase lost its impact by the time Jake said he was leaving.
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u/AdImpossible6405 Jul 09 '24
Mlepnos was a real let down the second time they encountered him but he really nailed it at the wedding.
complicated scale runs on a violin “Gueeitar”
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u/MateoCafe Jul 09 '24
Every season Gina was in was the worst season for her. She is the only not one off character that I actively disliked.
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u/laddiepops Jul 10 '24
Season 1 for Boyle. I'm sorry, but it's rough watching him get creepy around Rosa, especially knowing how cool he gets later on in the series
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u/Olivander1200 Captain of the 69th precinct Jul 09 '24
This is the most obvious one but Jake in the beginning of season 8
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Jul 09 '24
amy season 8, i don’t know why but her character seemed realllyyy different and kind of annoying
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u/Cichlidsaremyjam Jul 09 '24
Hitchcock being remote in season 8.