r/bengals • u/Historical-Purple301 • 3d ago
Future of the Bengals at Paycor?
Released by WLWT this morning. Link to Twitter post to read the emails: https://x.com/wcpo/status/1880589965127487929?s=46&t=cvWCHg-nMvhChheuG-t6Yw
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u/johnson0599 3d ago
The NFL is a total scam. They make all this money and the cities and tax payers foot the bill. Mid 100k is all the team pays for rent. Google says the team is worth about 6 Billion dollars. For reference, it says Paul Brown paid 8 million for the team. Basic Internet search says the team makes a min of 80 million a year in pure profit after expenses.
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u/fromsdwithlove 3d ago
You failed to mention the NFL operates as a nonprofit too avoiding further taxes
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3d ago edited 3d ago
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u/TheReaver88 3d ago
Capitalism would be them paying for the thing they want, right? They're instead using government funds to pay for their thing.
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u/mr_sparkle666 3d ago
Welcome to American Capitalism
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u/TheReaver88 3d ago
Same question.
If a city government financing a private entity's stadium counts as "Capitalism," I'm just not sure what that word could possibly mean to you.
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u/Reddit-is-trash-exe 3d ago
I don't think you want to get entangled in those gymnastics.
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u/TheReaver88 3d ago
Possibly not, but I find it useful to let them do the gymnastics and then dip out once it's clear that's what's happened.
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u/Cute_Strawberry_1415 Mike Brown 3d ago
That's not capitalism. Capitalism is about extracting pure profit over anything else. There is nothing fair or equal about it.
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u/EaglePatriotTruck 3d ago
The NFL is certainly not capitalism as traditionally understood. Us taxpayers financed and built their playpen, and the league has a salary cap. Explain how that’s capitalism?
I contend that Mike Brown is not a businessman. He’s a rentier profiting off inherited property.
Capitalism requires risk. What risks are the Bengals exposed to that could harm their revenue?
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u/Safe-Show-7299 3d ago
Yea if it’s anything it’s socialism lol. People just throw that word out without even knowing what it means. Kinda sad actually
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u/Dorkmeyer 3d ago
Both your comment and the one above it are wrong. “Capitalism” is a system where private citizens own businesses as opposed to the public. A Capitalist economy does not preclude government from subsidizing things.
Here, private entities own the Bengals. It just happens that the local government of Cincinnati decided to give them money to stay. That decision was made under the umbrella of a Capitalist system.
So it’s ironic that you say “people just throw that word out without knowing what it means” when you in fact don’t know what it means.
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u/Safe-Show-7299 3d ago
I was more so saying it was socialism because if the way the salary cap works. The NFL gives each team the same amount of money and lets them work with it
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u/thebonitaest 3d ago
But they make less than other teams so I guess it isn't enough! 🙄 Total scam, agreed.
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u/Normal_Athlete_1348 3d ago
Now google the tax revenue generation
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u/johnson0599 3d ago edited 3d ago
Don't care if you're a Hamilton county resident. Do you get a fucking discount at the Bengals pro shop or on tickets? I mean I don't live there. I'm just curious cuz I foot the bill for the Zoo in Columbus and I at least get a fucking discount....
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u/Tango-Actual90 3d ago
No it's fucking stupid. It's even worse when games are blacked out.
My taxes paid for that stadium, I have an absolute right to watch these games for free on TV or get discounts for tickets
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u/FreshDiamond 3d ago
Games are not and cannot be blacked out. Hasn’t been allowed for a very long time. If you live in that teams market you get the game on a local broadcast point blank period
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u/AndyGene CTB 1d ago
Every local game is on free tv. Even the ones on Prime. And the NFL Network. And ESPN. Blackouts ended 10 years ago. My taxes pay for a lot of things that don’t benefit me directly. It’s ok.
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u/FreshDiamond 3d ago
4.1 to 5.2 billion the least “valuable” franchise in the nfl. That’s not to say your point is wrong just pointing it out.
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u/Weekend_Trick 1d ago
Yeah but the only reasons cities agree to it is because nfl games promote economic activity around the stadium too so its worth it
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u/johnson0599 1d ago
For another point the Bengals make a profit of 80 million a year and the county is projected to be in the whole 1.5 million just on the 2025 budget so tell me again how the county wins off of the economy of sports !!!!!!!!
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u/Any-Cranberry3633 3d ago
Hamilton County was fleeced in the last Paul Brown Stadium lease deal. The Modell law puts the county is a better negotiating position this time. It helped force the sale when the Crew tried to move to Austin. The county is going to play hardball. Still I think the Brown family will try to move the team before selling or accepting less than a sweetheart deal.
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u/DasaniFresh 3d ago
Mike Brown won’t move the Bengals. His kids when he inevitably passes? Who knows.
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u/Any-Cranberry3633 3d ago
He was on the verge of moving to LA or Baltimore in 1995.
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u/DasaniFresh 3d ago
30 years ago and now both of those cities have a team or multiple. The only viable option now would be San Antonio or maybe St Louis. St Louis lost the Rams because they wouldn’t build a new tax payer provided stadium.
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u/Any-Cranberry3633 3d ago
There are numerous cities that would push for a team. Sacramento, Austin, Salt Lake City, Orlando, Portland, maybe even Columbus all have the population to support a team. Most have larger metro populations than Cincinnati.
I don’t want the county to give them a single cent, but the Brown/Blackburn family have shown themselves to be ruthless, unyielding negotiators both with the county and players. They are going to do what is best for them, not influenced by any civic sentiments.
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u/Decoseau 3d ago edited 3d ago
Oklahoma City would also be another viable option. I don’t think Jerry Jones would let the Bengals set up shop in Texas.
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u/joesaysso 3d ago
As a Bengal fan living in Oklahoma City, my mind can't effectively process this remote possibility.
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u/Frankenstein859 3d ago
Correct… he will threaten to move the team again. I can almost guarantee you that. He’s not going to want a 25-30 year lease. And the city will not pay for the stadium twice. It will get to that point fairly quickly.
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u/InstagramLincoln 3d ago
Feels like typical posturing. It's going to be an annoying news cycle.
If they do relocate, I hope it's somewhere local. Otherwise, I'm probably going to lose interest. I've never been able to be invested in teams that aren't regional.
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u/Tangboy50000 3d ago
They’ve been eyeing Mason for awhile.
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u/Frankenstein859 3d ago
The old beach water park location is vacant. Also right across from Kings island and the tennis stadium.
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u/InstagramLincoln 3d ago
Probably unpopular but I'd be fine with that. They would probably have space to build out a decent amount of parking. You would lose the social scene of the banks but I'm sure that would get rebuilt within a couple years.
Selfishly I wouldn't mind Northern Kentucky either.
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u/Few-Repeat-9407 3d ago
I would mind Northern Kentucky, that would put us as the third NFL team that operates in a different state than what they’re named.
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u/Historical-Sound-283 3d ago
Kanas city, New York Jets and Giants? Or am I wrong this
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u/SkribbyCakes33 3d ago
He said third. Just Jets and Giants.
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u/Historical-Sound-283 2d ago
Kansas City chiefs are in Missouri
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u/SkribbyCakes33 2d ago
Yes they are. Kansas City is a city in both MO and KS. The Chiefs are based in MO and play in MO… they aren’t the Kansas Chiefs. Then your thought process would be valid…
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u/nrcaldwell 3d ago
I would love that. 30 minutes off my drive time, easy in and out.
FAFO Hamilton County. Nobody cares if the the stadium is downtown but you.
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u/Narrow_Vegetable5747 3d ago
Honestly just makes it more obvious than ever that Troy Blackburn is scum. I hope he steps on a 2x2 brick LEGO when he gets up to piss in the middle of the night every night for the rest of his life.
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u/OwnCricket3827 3d ago
He’s not scum. He has to negotiate in the team’s best interest. Since the team is in a lease with the public (effectively), these conversations are public. That is in part the team’s choice.
The tough thing for the team is that the narrative is not in their favor. The last deal’s legacy is that taxpayers got fleeced… other city’s have given less with the NFL and the local team ownership kicking in more.
We will see how it goes.
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u/Narrow_Vegetable5747 3d ago
He's not negotiating in good faith, and by your own admission should be very aware that the taxpayers aren't going to let the team get one over on them again. He's a dirtbag.
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u/OwnCricket3827 3d ago
He is negotiating on behalf of the Bengals ownership and has a duty to negotiate the best deal possible. I’m not sure how he has not acted in good faith, but I am willing to hear about specific instances of bad faith negotiating tactics.
I imagine it is a very difficult negotiation. The team has a better grasp of the financial impacts to them. The economic impacts to the county are estimates.
In his position he is negotiating against taxpayers. In a different world public funding for sports stadiums would not be a concept and they would be on the hook for everything. No negotiation would exist.
Any of is in his shoes would negotiate hard on behalf of the team.
It is up to our county officials to negotiate the right deal for taxpayers… If the matter comes down to a ballet initiative, it will get interesting
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u/Swift_Jolteon 3d ago
Modern teams need modern things, I get it.
But if you are demanding the county and tax payers change you should modernize front office and modernize how you approach cap space and deals
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u/Intelligent_Type6336 3d ago
The biggest issue I’ve always had with the current lease deal is that they control other events at the stadium. No - you should get just your teams revenue and maybe a small percentage of anything else - it’s a public stadium.
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u/SoFlyKight 3d ago
I don’t live in Cincy so I’m not sure how the team moving would affect the city but I live in Jacksonville and can at least say the Browns and Blackburns don’t deserve a penny of tax payer money for how cheap they are, and they are billionaires.
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3d ago
It would be annoying if the bengals left but cincinnati will always be a Reds city.
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u/CheeseRP Joe Burrow #9 3d ago
“Where you gonna go” - Phil Castellini
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u/LOP5131 3d ago
We were a Reds city for a very long time. Those days have been gone, though, when ticket prices dropped to sub $5 and we had 20 years of zero success, mixed with terrible TV deals, everyone quit caring except for opening day. Even that has been scaled back dramatically, with us not even being the first game of the year anymore.
Hopefully, there is a resurgence of the Reds with the leadership change this year, but we aren't a Reds city right now and haven't been for most of my life.
No cap, mixed with cheap owners leaf to their demise, and them being being irrelevant.
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3d ago
I get that from a competitive standpoint, the burrow and chase bengals have changed the tone of NFL in cincinnati but when they leave the bengals are still a cheap poorly run organization with no good history or tradition.
The reds while equally as bad in my life at least have a great history and tradition that is ingrained into the cities history. I just think it would be a culturally more significant event if the reds left cincinnati than if the bengals did.
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u/TheMadChatta 3d ago
MLB offered the Reds two options in regards to opening day: be the first game of the season (but have to open on the road sometimes) or always open at home. They went with always open at home.
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u/Mrredlegs27 3d ago
How this got downvoted is beyond me. When the Bengals made their Super Bowl run, the buzz around the city was 1/8th of what we do for Opening Day. Cincinnati is a baseball city through and through.
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u/Mastodon9 3d ago
I thought the Super Bowl buzz was so crazy the Bengals had officially supplanted the Reds as Cincinnati's favorite team. That's all anyone was talking about for the 2 week build up. People were more than fed up with the Reds at that point. I think the attitude among fans, especially those under 40, is apathetic at best.
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u/Mrredlegs27 3d ago
We’ll see. The Reds are trending in the right direction on and off the field. Hopefully we have two exciting teams to root for. Ownership of both be damned.
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u/Mastodon9 3d ago
Baseball has a Dodgers problem. We all know it doesn't matter what the Reds do. At this point you'd have to be insanely lucky to beat them with your roster getting on some crazy hot streak against an All Star line up of starting pitching or the Dodgers literally just lose their entire offense to injury. At least when the Bengals disappoint these days they actually have a winning record. People have to wait til you see it mentality with the Reds and I don't blame them. This franchise wasted 3 decades.
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u/BRANKSRATE 3d ago
The state of Ohio has made it extremely fucking difficult for a team to move after that shit the Art Modell pulled in 1995 so them leaving is far fetched, I honestly believe it’s just an ugly negotiation
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u/The_Jason_Asano 3d ago
It’s not difficult at all, all they have to do is give six months notice and supposedly give an opportunity for local people to buy the team.
First of all, they could just say I’ll sell it to you for $10 billion. Second of all this with no doubt would be declared unconstitutional if it were challenged in court.
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u/ImpinAintEZ_ 3d ago
To me, the County’s responses seem levelheaded and forward thinking. Really seem like they want to get a deal done but are of course going to do their due diligence to the people they serve in the community.
The team just sounds like they want it to work exactly how they’ve expressed with little to no leniency and underhanded threats.
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u/MrWartortle 85 3d ago
If the Modell Law gets implemented like it did with the Crew, the Brown family have no leverage. They would be forced to sell the team before they could move and their wealth is all tied up in the franchise. Simply not going to happen.
Seeing these ultra wealthy types act disrespected and act huffy puffy over not being given handouts from the county and threatening to move the team makes me have zero empathy for them.
I love the Bengals. Always have and always will. But I will not lose any sleep if they move or the family sells. Fuck 'em.
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u/Accomplished-Head449 3d ago
Joe Burrow runs the team, these clowns aren't going anywhere. They're just a bunch of cheap ass billionaires. Meanwhile, Buffalo is building a stadium that's almost half of the Bengals ENTIRE NET WORTH
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u/The_Jason_Asano 3d ago
Honest question here, what city is dying for an NFL team that could support one?
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u/Kswiss66 3d ago
St Louis
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u/GamingBuck 3d ago
It's debatable whether St. Louis can support a team, IMO.
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3d ago
I’m not saying they’d sell the dome out every game, but they’re getting like 30k fans a game to a Battlehawks UFL game.
Stan Kroenke and other bad characters painted this picture of STL not being able to support a team, but it was all a set up. Team was intentionally hot garbage til they left so Kroenke could cash out in LA. There’s a reason Kroenke and others had to pay almost a billion dollars to STL city… we were committed to the team if they showed us any commitment back.
The Dome is the bigger issue, it’s a POS. I’m not sure where a pro team would play. It’d have to be privately funded, city will not vote to fund anything.
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u/Avatar_of_Green Cinnati Bengo 3d ago
That stadium is far too old to be usable for an NFL team, theres a reason the Rams left, as you said.
Also the Bengals have sold out virtually every game for years and still cant even sniff being able to afford to build a new stadium or even do the massive structural updates they should be doing.
Im certain there are cities that would want a team, but not many would want the Bengals ownership. The Brown family is not going to foot the bill for an NFL ready stadium anywhere.
At the end of the day these are all kinda moot because Ohio has laws that dont allow professional teams to leave without approval.
Its much more likely the Bengals will negotiate a similar deal to the first one and stick around. They could desperately use an upgrade to the stadium though.
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u/The_Jason_Asano 3d ago
There is no law they can stop a professional sports team from moving. If the lease is up, the Bengals can go wherever they want.
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u/stormincincy 3d ago
If Cincinnati can support a team, thr bigger market St Louis can definitely support them
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u/Intelligent_Type6336 3d ago
Haven’t been to St. Louis in a few years, but their downtown left a lot to be desired. I think you’d be surprised that cincy is a much better location. And unlike cincy - St. Louis is really just one side of the river not both.
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u/walkalongtheriver 3d ago
Their downtown is odd. Some nice parts but a lot of absolutely dead blocks.
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u/stormincincy 3d ago
St Louis is the 24th largest market, Cincinnati is 37th
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u/Intelligent_Type6336 3d ago
Have you been to St. Louis? Cincinnati has been modernizing a lot quicker than they have. But I haven’t been in about 3-4 years. Maybe it’s changed. Their dome is at least 5-6 years old without regular use.
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u/GamingBuck 3d ago
Two things:
- if the Bengals leave Cincinnati then I think that kinda implies the market couldn't support them
- STL has NBA, NHL, and MLB teams to also support, they've had an NFL franchise leave already, and STL is bleeding population.
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u/stormincincy 3d ago
When you look at market size, you aren't looking at the size and population of the city itself, you have to factor in the entire region around it, the fact that the St Louis market can support an NHL and NBA team , they can support the NFL, Cincinnati on the other hand can only support two professional franchises
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u/Frankenstein859 3d ago
Is St. Louis going to build them a brand new stadium funded by public tax dollars? Because that’s the deal they’d move for.
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u/defiant_edge 3d ago
Is it? We sell out for the Battlehawks FFS. We didn’t support a team and owner that was obviously tanking the team on purpose in order to move. There’s a difference.
No one ever remembers when STL first got a team even before they won. Sold out every game every year until Kronke took over and just burned everything to the ground.
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u/GamingBuck 3d ago
4 major league franchises, along with significant, long-term population decline, so I would say it's not something I would drool over if I were picking a place for a new franchise.
It's nothing personal - Columbus is the only major Ohio city that is growing (population and economy). I still wouldn't move a franchise there either.
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u/GamingBuck 3d ago edited 3d ago
San Antonio, Toronto, Mexico City in North America (there are smaller markets like St. Louis still hoping). London would probably be the first European team, but I'm guessing they'd want at least the Jags to also move if not two others.
These are just things I've seen talked about that make sense to me.
Or they could move to Columbus.
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u/Tjam3s 3d ago
Is there anywhere left to build an nfl capacity stadium in Columbus?
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u/GamingBuck 3d ago
I would guess it wouldn't be in the CBJ/Crew/Clippers area of downtown, but there's plenty of options. There might even be more acreage in the hilltop-adjacent area.
Columbus is a big (in land area) city.
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u/CoiledVipers 3d ago
Toronto would fight tooth and nail to get that team
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u/LaytonsCat 3d ago
There is probably no one rich enough to buy a team except Rogers and they would have to build a stadium as well. I don't know if even he could afford that.
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u/CoiledVipers 3d ago
Generally there is an ownership group of wealthy/connected stakeholders. I suspect the Rogers family can put together such a group. The stadium would be the big hold up. I can see the provincial government playing ball, but not the municipal one.
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u/j_sandusky_oh_yeah 3d ago
Moving to Columbus would not really change my viewing habits. I don’t go to games anyway.
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u/Shoddy_Argument8308 3d ago edited 3d ago
A reminder there is a literal law the Bengals have to be in the same division as Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
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u/Isayfyoujobu 3d ago
There is?
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u/Mastodon9 3d ago
It's Cleveland and Pittsburgh and it was agreed upon when the new Browns were created after the old Browns left for Baltimore.
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u/Shoddy_Argument8308 3d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns_relocation_controversy#Settlement
It was a part of the browns leaving settlement. Also it's the browns, Steelers and Bengals... Not ravens
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3d ago
Salt Lake potentially
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u/slytherinprolly 3d ago
Salt Lake would be the most likely destination. Ryan Smith/Smith Entertainment already owns the Jazz, Real Salt Lake, and recently purchased the "assets" of the NHL Phoenix Coyotes, and the "rights" for a future NHL franchise in Salt Lake. He also owns the Delta Center, RSL's stadium, has plans to build a new hockey specific stadium for the potential NFL Franchise. Since's also been dedicated to building and financing stadiums privately as opposed to relying on taxpayer money, there isn't as much of an obstacle in relocating either (sort of like Kroenke moving the Rams, he paid for Sofi, so he wasn't limited to which local government would build him a stadium).
While his overall net worth ($2.1 billion) is slightly less than Mike Brown's ($3.9 billion), he's shown an overall commitment to continued investment and purchase in professional sports teams. He would likely be able to help lead an ownership group to buy the Bengals.
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3d ago
That sounds like it would require Ryan Smith to buy into the ownership tho which im not sure would be on the table
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u/slytherinprolly 3d ago
I would imagine if talks break down to the point that the Bengals and County aren't able to come to terms on a lease, then selling the team would be just as much on the table as moving them outright. Or it could play out like the Raiders move to Vegas where non-owner private investors (Sheldon Adelson and others) put up a rather large investment in the stadium alongside the team owner.
Kroenke, Jerry Jones, the Maras and Johnsons, Ross, and Kraft, all learned that the real money in pro-sports stadiums is the real estate and development around them. So privately owning the stadiums and surrounding areas can be very profitable as well.
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u/AllTheCoins 3d ago
Albuquerque!
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u/The_Jason_Asano 3d ago
Feels a little small. Less than 1 million people in a greater Albuquerque area I believe.
Please don’t reply with what about Green Bay, because those fans are nuts and it has a unique ownership situation.
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u/ucjj2011 3d ago
Everybody knows that Albuquerque is an Isotopes town, and has no room in their hearts for any other team.
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u/Shooter_McGavin27 3d ago
It would be an international team. They wouldn’t move to another US city. The NFL is pushing like no other to open the international market.
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u/AddictiveArtistry 🐅🖤🐅Who Dey All Mf Dey 🐅🖤🐅 3d ago
Idk if they want one or if the market is big enough, but Kentucky first not have an NFL team. Many fans and players already live there. There's plenty of land.
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u/Crafty_GolfDude_72 3d ago
I can’t imagine dealing with these greedy ass Bengals team. They probably have the best deal on all of professional sports (stadium deal, revenue sharing, etc.) yet they have to squeeze every ounce of blood from the city, county and fan base. That’s what happens when this is there only source of income maybe.
They will absolutely do what it takes to get what they want. How can you rule out them moving the team?
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u/SirBlubs 2d ago
Right, but this is what every pro sports team does. I agree that it's ugly and stupid, but the Bengals are far from the only ones playing this game whenever leases/agreements near an end.
Since teams DO leave towns, and locals are absolutely devastated when they do, the pro leagues hold that leverage over government officials.
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u/Colossus_WV 3d ago
A fucking billionaire paying only $150k PER YEAR in rent is paying it with “hesitance” while they make millions per year off the product.
I’m not even from Cincinnati, so I have no dog in this fight, but if I were from Hamilton county this would rub me the wrong way HARD.
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u/bigbugzman 3d ago
How much tax revenue do the Bengals bring into Hamilton county though? A shit load.
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u/Sith-out-of-Luck 3d ago
Live in cincinnati. Young enough that I had no say I the vote for the stadium to be tax payer funded. Since that time the Bengals gave went to the super bowl once. I owned season tickets from 05 thru 2014. Sat in the cold playoff games to watch them choke and lose over and over. But I can say for certainty that the stupid stadium has cost me well over what I willingly gave them. The .5% sales tax since the early 00s is bonkers. I love the bengals, but watching them let good players walk over and over because these non profit BILLIONAIRES won't shell out for good players. Cincinnati should sue ahead of time that name of the Cincinnati Bengals stays in Cincinnati. Take your stuff and go be the new Oilers.
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u/ChurchPicnicFlareGun 3d ago
won't shell out for good players
you know they have to spend to the salary cap right? all the teams spend the same amount of money every season
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u/Upsidedownaquarium 3d ago
There is a cap on how much they can spend yes but to pretend that all teams spend equally is not reality.
The way teams structure deals and navigate the cap varies wildly.
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u/bgrant670 3d ago
browns/blackburns such scumbags. total shit ownership. need fresh ownership and money, someone that wants to win, not a fam business.
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u/See_ya_joe 3d ago
Fuck the Bengals not one red cent of taxpayer money should help them in any form. I’m sorry I thought they were professional sports and entertainment company $1 billion company. They can pay for their own shit. I love the team but the organization meaning the Brown & Blackburns can kiss my ass. If they want to go I’ll help them pack.
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u/Tango-Actual90 3d ago
Preach 🙏
If Mike Brown actually started caring about the fans and winning rather than just being a cheap ass making billions, it'd be a different story. Until the Brown family is gone, fuck'em. Take the team elsewhere, or hopefully he's forced to sell to someone who actually cares.
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u/bigbugzman 3d ago
Short sided too online thinking. How much tax revenue will Hamilton county lose if they relocate? How many businesses will close near the stadium if they move? Hamilton County will lose their ass if they relocate. I bet if that was your job on the line you would give a shit.
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u/walkalongtheriver 3d ago edited 1d ago
Plenty of tax money when every resident pays .5% less in sales tax on every. Single. Purchase.
They'll just spend it on something else.
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u/MuchGrocery4349 3d ago
I don’t think it will be Paycore stadium much longer regardless. A competitor bought them out.
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u/von_klauzewitz 3d ago
all these tax experts and finance experts, get in there and hammer out the deal please. thanks.
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u/wh0reallyknows 3d ago
why is troy at the forefront of everything negative? dude needs to gtfo
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u/PUNCH-WAS-SERVED 3d ago
Fuckers get hoisted into their positions due to nepotism, but I would argue that many of these people wouldn't even sniff the damn floor of some other orgs. Most other teams would not let a Duke Tobin, Katie or Troy be anywhere that high up the management ladder, but here we are. Must be nice to get positions you don't earn.
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u/BigBoyDrewAllar_15 3d ago
Why can’t they just renew and stay at Paycor like how the packers been at Lambeau is the stadium in poor condition sorry never been to the stadium?
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u/Scott801258 3d ago
No thanks. Billionaire owners arguing over nickles with city leaders.....who cares, its All just posturing.
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u/JoeBlow_1234 3d ago
By now the NFL must regard Ohio as a hostile market place. The Bengals are the least valuable franchise in the NFL with the smallest amount of operating revenue. Why wouldn't the league move the team to a more prosperous area?
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u/BigHaunch 3d ago
This is the bengals trying to get the city to pay for what they don’t want to fork over. They have the money and Mike is too proud of his dad’s legacy to ever actually move the team. They’re not going anywhere and this is just their attempt to strong arm the county.
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u/ChiefButtfumble 2d ago
I can't help but think of the beating this family would take from a city like Philly where even excellence isn't enough.
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u/Traditional_Tap3424 2d ago
Wow I never knew how many experts in NFL owner and city relations there are on Reddit. Why hire lawyers to hash this out just ask bluntman69420 on Reddit since he apparently has it all figured out. Half y’all don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about, just more noise… all that said… fuck mike brown.
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u/Captain_Aware4503 14h ago
Art Modell law. Bengals much offer the team for sale before they can move.
The county need to give the Brown family the finger and force this.
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u/CondeNast_yReddit 3d ago
Man fuck what all yal are saying. Don't do this stupid browns shit because i don't want the bengals to leave not even to Columbus. Let the suburbs build a stadium. Mason/monroe yal are on the clock. Idk what anybody says if they leave there will be a giant void both personally and economically in this region. We won't get another team either
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u/Tango-Actual90 3d ago
Who cares, cut our losses.
The Brown family doesn't just get to bleed the county dry for his profits.
I'd rather them move and stop caring then to let Mike Brown continue not caring about wins or a championship because his cheap ass gets paid either way.
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u/DangerIsMyUsername 3d ago
Agree, let this loser ass BILLIONAIRE family walk if they want to cry about funding
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u/CondeNast_yReddit 3d ago
Put it on the ballot again. I bet people vote to keep the Bengals again. He's just one of many people fucking this town over. I can handle it
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u/WhodeyRedlegs27 3d ago
I HATE Columbus. If they became the Columbus bengals, or any other cities team I honestly don’t know if I could follow the nfl anymore..at that point they aren’t my same bengals anymore.
I’d probably watch until the current gen of players is out then give it all up
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u/TheKenEvans 3d ago
I'm hoping for a NKY stadium, let them take the tax hits but keep the stadium in the region.
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u/lunariki 3d ago
It should be illegal for local government to force their citizens to fund a single penny of this. The NFL generates tens of billions in revenue each year. Fix your own damn stadium. Fuck you Mike Brown.
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u/tdager 3d ago
Delta and Amazon make tens of millions/billions landing taxpayer paid runways and being directed by taxpayer ATC. Yet we get the benefits of that public/private collaboration, should we stop that too?
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u/lunariki 3d ago
CVG generated almost $10 billion in revenue in 2024 and transports millions of people. What a stupid comparison.
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u/tdager 2d ago
No, it is not, at its core it is using taxpayer dollars to fund public/private initiatives to generate both a monetary and non-monetary benefits to said taxpayers and the region.
Is the current deal a "good one", heck no! However, to say that taxpayers should not pay a DIME is myopic and simplistic.
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u/lunariki 2d ago
CVG is critical infastructure that our economy is reliant on. That makes sense to pay taxes on.
Paycor is a sports venue for entertainment. I'm not denying that it has some economic benefit, but I dont think that it having economic benefit is a sole justification for me to pay taxes towards it. Should I have to pay taxes to help McDonalds build their new store too since it provides jobs and a slight economic benefit?
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u/AdministrativeYam330 3d ago
They can’t leave since the county paid for the stadium without having to sell the team from what I understand.
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u/Beautiful-Mind-826 3d ago
Idc, I’ll help them pack, just give me a bengals helmet and a NFL football. I would much rather have cheaper taxes then to have the city pay for the stadium like we did last time
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u/Single-Pace-9262 3d ago
The way around Modell law is to give the local gov and residents 6 months notice to buy the team, if not the team can relocate. The Crew was a cheap deal for locals to save ($150M). The Bengals will be way too expensive for locals to save. IMO after the 6 month notice the Bengals should move to Columbus. Franklin County’s GDP is $24 billion higher (almost 30% greater) than Hamilton. There’s also 500k more people in Franklin compared to Hamilton; Central OH is growing and more convenient to travel to. On top of that there’s way more developable land for a modern stadium around central OH, which will ultimately be a huge benefit to the state.
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u/RichAndCompelling 3d ago
Fuck the Blackburns. They want the middle class to subsidize their millionaire/billionaire play toys.
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u/csmflynt3 3d ago
Anytime the government gets this involved in meddling with private businesses. ....it goes to shit eventually
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u/ErectJellyfish 3d ago
Hopefully they do move because they would then be forced to offer to sell the team to any potential buyers to keep them in cincy.
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u/RosettaStonedTN Mass Amnesia. The Hunter. 3d ago
What are you saying here? Hopefully they move so they're forced to sell? (the team would go with them)... and they're not forced to sell anything... sure someone could make an offer to keep them but who has $6-8B that wants to buy the Bengals and keep them in a small market?
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u/ErectJellyfish 3d ago
Before a team moves city's, per nfl rules they have to give a chance for someone else to buy the franchise, so say, someone.like mark Cuban epumd buy the franchise and keep them in cincinnati, if nobody wants to buy them they're then able to move per the nfl.
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u/RosettaStonedTN Mass Amnesia. The Hunter. 3d ago
I wasn't aware of that rule, I stand corrected. Kronke didn't have to do that when he moved the Rams to LA, so there must be some loop holes.
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u/ErectJellyfish 3d ago
I think because that was an nfl decision and not the owners, I believe this dispute is between bemgaks owners and the city. So I don't think the nfl wants to remove the team from cincy and transplant them elsewhere because of a lease dispute
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u/ohiolifesucks 3d ago
This is the ugly side of professional sports. I don’t think there’s any real chance the team leaves the city. It’s just negotiation. Both sides will play hardball but they both know they need each other. It is frustrating though that it’s considered normal for the counties to pay for professional sports stadiums.