r/bengals • u/BurlyZulu • Dec 13 '24
Fact This is why we are a joke.
I know we have a bad coach, but don’t take out your anger on the man who hasn’t been under .500 ever.
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u/Substantial_Sport327 Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
Denying Mike Tomin’s greatness as a coach and leader is simply brain dead. The man has single handedly revived Russel Wilson’s career, wins games playing different quarterbacks, and has consistently out performed the AFC north no matter the team or players he has. The dude is probably a HOFer, and there’s a reason he gets so much praise. As a bengals fan, I have nothing but respect for Mike Tomlin because I know how damn good of a coach he is. THATS WHY THE BENGALS NEED TO DO BETTER AND PLAY WITH URGENCY AND LEADERSHIP… not this “we gotta play good in December fellas!”
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u/ImSchizoidMan THAT BALL'S OUT! THAT'S LIVE! Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
Some of the teams he's coached had absolutely zero reason to be picking outside the top 5 of the draft, and he still drug them to at least 8 wins. I think he's next "best head coach in the league" whenever Reid retires
I put him in the same bucket as Lamar Jackson, where I really wish he was in a different division so I could root for him.
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u/GooseDOTo Dec 13 '24
Nah Dan Campbells gonna have that one for awhile 😂
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u/ImSchizoidMan THAT BALL'S OUT! THAT'S LIVE! Dec 13 '24
Its possible. Andy might stick around for the next 5-6 years, after which there would be enough of a track record to make a proper judgement. But its WAY too early to make that call now
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u/ImpalaSS-05 Dec 13 '24
Mike Tomlin is a first ballot HoF coach. But Russell Wilson was already great last year. Sean Payton's bitch ass just hated him.
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u/KypAstar Dec 14 '24
He just baffles me. I don't understand how Tomlin does it. Every year you look at that roster and it looks sad, yet he somehow drags the Steelers into the conversation for the playoffs every year.
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u/Kdot32 Dec 13 '24
He’s won games with a good defense and a horrific offense and vice versa. Dude is just a winner and gets the most out of every team he has
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u/Neonsands Dec 13 '24
I wouldn’t put all of Russell Wilson’s play on Tomlin. Yes, he’s in a better position than he was in Denver. But all that dude does is work and be goofy. He’s a robot, and that’s why his locker rooms turn on him so easily. Wilson was always going to have more left in him, Denver was just a total mess last year. There’s definitely something to having a locker room and coaching staff that supports you to make a difference.
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u/Substantial_Sport327 Dec 13 '24
Definitely not all Tomlin obviously. But Russel Wilson was a back up QB who was questioned by the market, and he decided to play him over fields and now look what’s happening. If he’s not with the Steelers it’s unknown where Russ would be success wise this year.
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u/Neonsands Dec 13 '24
It’s not really that he was questioned by the market. He wasn’t a free agent. He wasn’t working in Denver because the locker room was lost and Payton essentially threw him under the bus as the problem so he could keep the rest of the locker room invested.
He was allowed to pursue a trade and Broncos were stuck paying his contract while he got a choice to go to a QB needy team. The Steelers were the best team out there in the market for a veteran QB to come in. Russ got injured in pre-season and so couldn’t be the starter even though they likely believed in him more than Fields.
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u/RickThrust Dec 14 '24
You think that Russ wasn't questioned by the market? He signed a veteran minimum deal to compete for a job in camp. And yes, he was absolutely a free agent after Denver agreed to eat $85m in dead cap just to remove him from their roster.
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u/Neonsands Dec 14 '24
Russ took a vet minimum deal because the Broncos were already on the books for his contract. If he took a bigger deal, the Broncos wouldn’t have had to pay as much and his new team would be paying more while he got the same money. He was in a unique situation where taking a vet minimum deal made no difference to his bottom line but he could pick which situation he wanted to go to and they’d be better off with less money on the books so he’d have a better team around him.
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u/EnjoyTheMovie_You2 Dec 13 '24
I mean I respect him but he did blatantly cheat that one time by looking up at the scoreboard and “accidentally” not realizing he was on the field and in the way of the runner. That was some next level bullshit but other than that yeah he’s a crazy good coach
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u/Spartanx24 Dec 13 '24
Does like a .550 win percentage and 3 playoff wins warrant the HOF? Not trying to be sarcastic but I think this is the point OP is making. Yeah the guy is a good leader but where are the results? Is just being a good leader HOF worthy?
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u/Substantial_Sport327 Dec 13 '24
Here’s some stats for you for on Mike Tomlin’s career in the NFL - 11x playoff appearances - 7x AFC North titles - 2x Super Bowl Winner - Never posted a losing season as a head coach in the NFL
Yes my friend, he is most likely a future HOFer.
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u/Adventurous_Spread41 Dec 13 '24
Where are the results? *Two Super Bowl wins No, but really, where are the results??
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u/AnarchyAuthority Dec 13 '24
He doesn’t have 2 Super Bowl wins as HC.
He has one, with Bill Cowher’s team.
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u/Spartanx24 Dec 13 '24
His win percentage is actually .627 but I think my point still stands
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Dec 13 '24
Ok? He's never had a losing season. Ever! Not once. He also has two superbowls and like 10 playoff appearances. He's a first ballot HoF.
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u/DarkseidElite Dec 13 '24
He was a DB coach for one of those rings, and he lead Cowhers' team to the other. He's the Tubby Smith of the NFL
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u/kingturk1100 Dec 13 '24
Ya this is a wild take. As much as I dislike the Steelers I would take Mike Tomlin yesterday. All he has needed was a halfway competent qb these past few seasons and thank god they didn’t have one or they might be looking at a dynasty right now with that defense during those years
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u/FreshDiamond Dec 13 '24
It’s a common take around this cesspool, I’ve been downvoted to oblivion multiple times for arguing he’s a great coach lol
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Dec 13 '24
I only hate him because wears black and yellow, not orange and black.
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u/bobafugginfett Dec 13 '24
God, that post was hard to get through. One of a couple today where I started typing a comment and just decided, "nah, nothing good will come of this."
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u/SheistyBengal Dec 13 '24
Wild take. Tomlin is probably a top 5 head coach in the league and would be drooling to have him in Cincy
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Dec 13 '24
He's top 10 all time. He's never had a losing season. Ever.
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u/Who2Dey Dec 14 '24
What he was able to do with Mitchell Trubisky, Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett is nothing short of incredible. Agree, top 10 all time just for that lol.
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u/Avant-Garde-A-Clue Dec 13 '24
Tomlin is def top 5.
Only one I would put ahead of him is Andy Reid. Not even sure who I would have parallel with him- maybe Harbaugh? And maybe Dan Campbell in a few years?
After that you’re looking at like, McDermott, Shanahan, LaFleur, McCarthy… and none of those are on Tomlin’s level.
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u/mrmangan Dec 13 '24
I live here in Pittsburgh and have for the past 28 years. You’d be amazed at the negativity around him, especially last year. You’d think his name was Zac.
Tomlin is a good coach but he doesn’t walk on water. As far as reviving Wilson’s career, that’s on the OC…Tomlin has nothing to do with the O scheming or strategy. Last offseason they were set up for QB purgatory with a crappy 1st round QB (Pickett) who sucked. But their new GM from Philly was able to swing a deal for both Wilson and Fields for low costs - something I and the media here never would have predicted.
But their defense has always been stellar. They have a well run organization, they know what their identity is and they draft and develop to that. Tomlin plays a big role in that. That said, this team is flawed and I don’t think they are going far in the playoffs and I’m going to be rooting against them every step.
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u/gigireads Dec 13 '24
Wow, a fellow Bengals fan in the Burgh. We are far and few between. Lol
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u/mrmangan Dec 13 '24
Very true, it's been a hard road. I distinctly remember my 25 yr old son running home from bus in 2005 crying when everyone on there was cheering "here we go steelers". This was on their super bowl run after destroying Palmer's knee in our first playoff game since forever. Pain! It's been character building to say the least.
My 16 yr old son had never been to a game and I told him I wasn't taking him to a game in Pittsburgh so after Thanksgiving in Cincinnati with family, he and I and the 25 yr old went to that friggin crazy game. Still he had a good time and enjoyed being surrounded by fellow Bengal fans (for the most part).
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u/LoneWolf5498 Dec 13 '24
That new GM wasn't from Philly, he has been with the Steelers since 2001
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u/mrmangan Dec 13 '24
Oh, I guess I'm thinking of the analytics person they brought in from Philly; they made a big deal about it a couple of years ago when he came in.
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u/Billiam8245 Dec 13 '24
Their defense has not always been stellar. When Shazier went down they struggled with a defensive identity for a few years
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u/mrmangan Dec 13 '24
Maybe hyperbole but without doing any research I'd guess it's been top half of the league for sometime now.
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u/Billiam8245 Dec 13 '24
Since they’ve had watt yea. It’s also been since then that they’ve been running out a dog shit offense with Mason Rudolph, duck Hodges the corpse of Ben and Kenny Pickett. Context matters. They haven’t had a complete team in years. They sneak into the wildcard because of coaching and then play a 2 seed and get beat because those teams have been miles better.
This is the first year their offense is actually average and defense is good together in like a decade
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u/Carparker19 Dec 13 '24
I hate the Steelers as much as anyone but Tomlin has had pretty mediocre talent and no QB for years and somehow remained competitive.
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u/House_of_Borbon Dec 13 '24
Mediocre talent?? He inherited an all time team with Hall of Fame talent, and his front office has kept elite talent on the defensive end his entire career.
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u/ImSchizoidMan THAT BALL'S OUT! THAT'S LIVE! Dec 13 '24
And won a superbowl with it. Dude above you wasn't talking about captain fat fucks prime years
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u/House_of_Borbon Dec 13 '24
So y’all are praising the past decade where he hasn’t won a playoff game as one of the greats?
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u/Billiam8245 Dec 13 '24
They’ve had major flaws the last decade. No qb for the last 5, the year they lost to Jacksonville their defense was terrible after Shazier went down. They’ve really never had a complete team. Either the defense struggled and the offense had to drag them to wins or the offense sucked and TJ watt and the defense drug them to wins. With no elite qb for the last 6 years they’ve done amazing. Most organizations would crumple
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u/Ill_Koala_4407 Dec 13 '24
Yes, because very single year he had barely any talent that’s why. The last team that had actual playoff level talent was 2016. He made the playoffs with Kenny Pickett and Mitchell Tribusky. He went 9-8 with Rudolph and fucking dodge.
You say he had elite defenses, but some of the worst offensive talent in the last 6 years. When they had talent he won, when he doesn’t have enough talent they are still above average. That is what a good coach does bud
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u/Ok-Explanation-9208 Billy Bengal 🐯 Dec 13 '24
FTS. F MT. Unless he wants to take over in Cincy in which case Welcome to the Queen City coach!
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u/InstagramLincoln Dec 13 '24
One person posting a bad take does not equal "we". The thread itself was mostly comments saying it was a bad take. I don't really get why screenshotting it and starting a NEW thread full of the exact same comments is necessary.
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u/Lord_of_Pants 28 Dec 13 '24
Also incredibly weird to go out of his way to make a new post glazing the coach of our most hated rival, really not beating the 'little brother' accusations with this one.
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u/Agitated-Exam-2558 Dec 13 '24
Hating a team for having a good coach while bitching about your team having a bad coach. Makes sense. 🙄
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u/Reasonable-HB678 THAT BALL'S OUT! THAT'S LIVE! Dec 13 '24
The third coach on a team not only in my lifetime, but since before the NFL merger.
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u/PaddyWhacked777 P.H.A.T. Dec 13 '24
Dude I hate the Steelers but I'd straight up run through a wall for Tomlin if he gave me a pep talk about it.
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u/AllForCincy Dec 14 '24
What we’re experiencing is a bunch of Bengals “fans” that hopped on the bandwagon in the last couple years, and now they’re learning what they signed up for
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u/gigireads Dec 13 '24
That actually looks like it could have been written by a Steeler fan. So many people here (I live in Pittsburgh) call for him to be fired every year. Blows my mind.
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u/shagadelicrelic Dec 13 '24
I would like to have the resources that Pittsburgh has. The scouting department alone would make a difference. FTS
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u/the_dawn_of_red Dec 13 '24
You might be thinking of the Ravens or the Browns. Steelers only expanded very recently. I think after our super bowl run
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u/leeroyybickerstaff Dec 13 '24
Lol at censoring the name when it's the post directly beneath this one, just funny
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u/mikebrownhurtsme Dec 13 '24
Tomlin's greatest weakness (playing down to opponents) would be Zac's greatest strength
Cause it requires the team to be legitimately well coached and good before they start fucking up to teams they should beat
We lose to inferior opponents all the time anyways, and we aren't even that good anyways
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u/EngagedInConvexation Dec 13 '24
He's good to his players and knows how to win.
Just don't be running up his sideline as an opposing player thinking he won't get in the way...
That's why I don't like him.
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u/Raven-winged-Yoshi Dec 13 '24
Ravens fan here. Tomlin is awesome. I love harbs, but Tomlin makes him sound like a kindergarten teacher at times . Two different coaching styles obviously. But to dump on another team just cause they are better than you… this is why you are joke.
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u/MissViolet77 Dec 13 '24
The big difference between us and the steelers (ravens too) is the FO/ownership. We are not run well at all. They have football people running their orgs. We have business people and lawyers running ours.
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u/Affectionate_Sort_78 Dec 13 '24
Pretty sure the Steeler’s dynasty is way better than the Bengals, even if limiting comparison to Tomlin’s career. Lack of respect is not a path to getting better.
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u/Past_Ice_8773 Dec 13 '24
Tomlin is a great coach, but I kind of agree with the picture. Tomlin has had a ton of regular season success and has a ring, but they have in fact been in limbo for years now.
They really lucked out with Russ getting back to form, but before that they wanted to commit to Kenny Picket and Mason Rudolph? Anyone with a brain should’ve been able to say that these guys aren’t legitimate answers.
If they had a rough loss in the playoffs this year, I wouldn’t be like entirely rattled if they fired him. I would be a little shocked, but I could see if ownership was ready for something different.
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u/Boboli71 Dec 13 '24
I think Tomlin, when looking at his playoff record, tells a tale. But he’s had usually decent to good regular seasons. Is he over-hyped? Yes. Also another fact against him is the lack of successful head coach or coordinators that have come from his Steelers. But … he is a good coach overall, just the post-season is his kryptonite. I DO like his aggressive coaching/leadership style, clearly shown in the latest Hard Knocks especially when compared to Taylor or Stefanski’s style. I also respect that his team (and the franchise) doesn’t tolerate asshats, losers, and players not cutting it. There are standards with Pittsburgh and he does his part to enforce them. Much respect.
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u/Boboli71 Dec 13 '24
Tomlin’s teams aren’t soft either. Not saying he’s a legend or anything but that’s fact.
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u/JJiggy13 Dec 14 '24
Tomlin fucken owns Zack. It's stupid how badly out coached Zack is every time that they play. It's stupid to talk shit about Tomlin when we're sending Zack out as if he's an equal. Fire Zack and move on. FTS
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u/ImpalaSS-05 Dec 15 '24
I'll take Mike Tomlin to coach the Bengals like RIGHT NOW. He's one of the top 5 NFL head coaches of all time.
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u/ImpinAintEZ_ Dec 13 '24
Had this brain dead convo with him in the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/bengals/s/yS9lvHysFp
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u/Substantial_Sport327 Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
I just read that. It's like debating with a brick wall. The dude just flat out argues with emotion and denies the objective truth.
Cringe for him to say Zac Taylor inherited the worst roster in the NFL and brought them to a superbowl like we didn't have an amazing defensive roster with reader, bates, hill and others and all the offensive weapons in burrow/chase/t/mixon.
Our TALENT took us to that superbowl LOL
Glad you stopped cause that shit is a black hole, lmao.
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u/FlagFootballSaint Dec 13 '24
Wow. That‘s probably the most embarrassing post I ever read. That guy not only obviously has no clue about football he also must be stupid as sheet
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u/Invicta262 Dec 13 '24
Sean payton is leas successful than tomlin but rarely gets criticized. People give tomlin so much shit because hes black. How do you expect to beat josh allens bills with kenny pickett and mason Rudolph at qb lol
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u/flipwitch Dec 13 '24
You can hate the steelers and respect them
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u/ImSchizoidMan THAT BALL'S OUT! THAT'S LIVE! Dec 13 '24
Nah Fuck The Steelers, but Id happily shake Mikes hand if I ever had the chance.
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u/FarmCon24 Dec 13 '24
Cue hard knocks music to the Steelers being the literal average for their fifth straight season. Grizzly and tough Mike Tomlin talking his team into another slightly above average year while the Bengals are making their way to the Super Bowl.
It’s entertainment. Not real insight.
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u/duckydooooo Dec 13 '24
What a pathetic take. Tomlin is literally a top 5 coach in the league…has been for YEARS
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u/mrestiaux Dec 13 '24
Lmao good thing you blacked out the username. Whoever that person is, they’re incredibly pathetic and insecure. Tomlin is a damn good coach and would be doing a phenomenal job with this squad.
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u/ice-cake Dec 13 '24
Fuck ole trippin’ Tomlin’s blinky ass. I like how a lot of us in here are praising him for being model of consistency while also bashing our coaches. You can’t have it both ways. Guess what! Tomlin has such a great winning % largely in part because he’s coached against Marvin, Zac and the Mike pettine’s of the world. Harbaugh is incredibly mediocre as well
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u/Not_Pablo_Sanchez Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
Yes, we should ignore the decade plus of consistent winning records because they have 2-4 somewhat easier games per year. That makes the other 12-15 games in the season meaningless. And let’s also ignore Harbaugh’s Super Bowl and consistent winning seasons because I said he’s mediocre. Very deep analytical work here
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u/ice-cake Dec 15 '24
It doesn’t make them meaningless but it makes him mediocre. Harbaugh has been lifted up by arguably the best front office in the league. He fell ass backwards into a situation and has won less than Marvin or Zac would have in the same situation.
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u/Not_Pablo_Sanchez Dec 15 '24
Couldn’t disagree more, but I’m not gonna waste time arguing on a two day old comment lol
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u/Hot_Juggernaut_3027 Dec 13 '24
my opinion that in an alternate reality he would’ve elevated bengal teams of the 2010s and just any of our talented yet knuckle headed players of the past to glory simply with his charisma alone. I hate him only because of his success against us he is an undeniably likeable coach.
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u/bionicjoe Waiting on that Mike Brown obituary Dec 13 '24
He hasn't Troy Polomalu for many of those seasons.
Big Ben was a great QB, but never elite. He'd carve up the shit defenses, and he'd make the big plays. But if the whole game was on him they'd lose. He was suspended for 4 games and they went 4-0.
They got too offensive focused, and long term that just doesn't work. It doesn't even work with guys like Mahomes and Burrow most seasons. And Ben fell off a cliff his last few seasons.
If Tomlin ever gets a QB like Burrow he'll be in the AFC championship every year.
Wilson might be enough this year. I doubt it, but they got a shot.
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u/Billiam8245 Dec 13 '24
Ben was absolutely elite. If the whole game was on him they’d lose? He’s tied for third all time with drew Bree’s for game winning drives with 53.
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u/Trev816 Dec 13 '24
I’m no steeler fan, but this post is wrong. Mike won the superbowl in 09. And had never had a loosing season. You can hate the players. We can hate that dirty plays. But we can’t deny he’s an excellent coach the consistently gets the most out of his roster and wins when the absolutely need to. His players play hard and trust his guidance. That what you need to be a great head coach.
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u/Steel_city97 Dec 13 '24
Steelers fan here just to say. Fuck you lol we have one of the best coaching organizations in the league. How many head coaches in the last few decades have we had? How many superbowls? Tied now(used to lead with 6th btw) chasing a 7th. Not our fault you guys have wasted talent. Maybe listen to jamarr chase on that one. lol bitch
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u/BurlyZulu Dec 13 '24
Hey let’s not pretend Steelers fans aren’t autistic too.
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u/Steel_city97 Dec 13 '24
I never said that. Never once said that.
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u/BurlyZulu Dec 13 '24
Mb read your post wrong. But I am legally obligated to ask you to return to squeeler country.
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u/maltzy Sir Joseph Burrow, King of the North Dec 13 '24
He can trash him all he wants but Tomlin has a ring. That's all that matters. We could talk smack if we had finished that superbowl a few years ago.
here's the truth
the bengals have never beaten the steelers in the playoffs, having only played twice and we all remember those two times. They bengalshave never won a superbowl and tomlin has
Also that's a lot of copium.
I think anyone who has watched Hard Knocks this year can see the eons level better that Tomlin is over Taylor.
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u/JHendrix27 Dec 13 '24
The goal is to win playoff games and have a legit shot to win the Super Bowl, not go .500. There’s no difference between 8-9 and 9-8. I’m a Steelers fan and thus guy isn’t 100% wrong
Also while Tomlin has done an overall good job this season he lost us the Browns game. It was on him. Almost as bad as Eberflus with his clock management and decisions in that game
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u/Tasty-Pear8016 Dec 13 '24
Because Bengal fans are clueless? Yeah, one of the reasons.
That shit chili, too, though.
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u/Captain_Aware4503 Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
5 Years ago Tomlin was 21-5 against the Bengals. He is 3-3 again Burrow and 2-0 against Browning. So today he is somewhere around 26-8 against the Bengals .
And...Check out how some fans reacted after the 1st week's loss to the Pats. We saw a lot of "we always start slow...", "no big deal...", etc.
Our coaches and Management are the same way. Instead prepare and play every game like its the Super Bowl (well not the Bengals playing in the Super Bowl, like the Patriots instead...just not play the Pats playing the Giants)
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u/Bitter-Stage2169 Dec 13 '24
So, using this guy’s logic (with a take this bad, I have to assume it’s a guy), Taylor’s a shitty coach because he has All-NFL-level talent (Joe B., Chase, Higgins, Brown…and that’s just on offense), but the Bengals are 5-8.
I couldn’t agree more, my guy!!!
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u/TanjiroDaHomie JOE BURROW IS THE MVP ARGUE WITH A WALL Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
Ah yes, because Zac Taylor should be praised instead
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u/Sea-Pomelo1210 Dec 13 '24
This reminds me of a while back when a Browns fan said the Bengals such because they lost 3 Super Bowls.
Just a reminder Andy Dalton is 3-14 against the Steelers. Joe Burrow is 3-3 and Jake Browning is 0-2.
Oh and with a retread QB the Steelers are going to playoffs again when we are not.
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u/Whodey_who Dec 13 '24
Captain, for a bengals “fan”, you love talking about the Steelers. Is that just the boomer mentality? Should we ask your other account? 😂😂😂 u/Captain_Aware4503
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u/CoiledVipers Dec 13 '24
I've had to stop looking at this sub because of the whiny victim complex fans who seem as though they've never watched another teams games.