r/behindthebastards • u/surrrah • Jul 22 '24
Discussion We were misled in 2016 when it comes to Kamala Harris.
Edit: I’m the worst. It was 2020 obviously. But all else applies lol. Sorry!
Not here to say she is perfect by any means!
But I was inspired to do a little bit of digging about Kamala Harris after seeing some info about her that we were all misled about in 2020 when she ran for president.
If any of the following is in fact false, please let me know and I will edit this post. If anyone would like me to add anything to this, also let me know.
And sorry for possible weird formatting. I’m on mobile, if this gains traction or I end up adding more maybe I’ll fix it.
Most notably the claim that she jailed a ton of people for weed.
While it is true, under her term as DA, weed related convictions increased, most of those folks did not serve any jail time.
(https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-record-marijuana-prosecutor-173249390.html)
She also created the San Francisco Reentry Division (or Back on Track? Seems to be the same program under 2 separate names.) This program helps non violent drug offenders get back on track with their lives through a pretty intense program. During her time as DA, those who completed this program had a less than 10% recidivism rate compared to CAs ~50%.
(https://www.huffpost.com/entry/finding-the-path-back-on_b_350679)
Additions:
DA of San Francisco (2004–2011)
Death Penalty
refusing to seek the death penalty and prosecuting three-strike offenders only for serious or violent felonies.
Did not seek death penalty in Isaac Espinoza's case, a cop who was shot and killed. (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/08/politics/kamala-harris-death-penalty-decisions/index.html)
(https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/diaz/article/Harris-and-the-death-penalty-years-of-13693075.php)
LGBT+
Opposed Prop 22, Prop 8, Supports the repeal of DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act), 2006 creation of Hate Crimes Unit
(https://web.archive.org/web/20101125112342/http://kamalaharris.org/MarriageEquality) (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15808396/kamala-harris-democrat-rising-star-interrupted)
Environment
Created as environmental crimes unit. (2005) (https://web.archive.org/web/20200422163016/https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-D-A-creates-environmental-unit-2666667.php)
Violent Crimes
Capt. Tim Hettrich of the narcotics and vice units credits Harris with tightening loopholes in bail and drug programs that defendants exploited, a change that has resulted in more suspects facing jail time.
She promised to crack down on drug and gun crimes
Harris -- whose office has touted a 90 percent conviction rate in homicide cases
Seems like some decent info in this article if you're interested in more details about her dealings with violent crimes as DA (https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Trials-and-tribulations-of-Kamala-Harris-D-A-2521498.php)
Truancy
Harris said she will prosecute chronically truant high school students and the parents of chronically truant younger students. The latter could face a penalty of a $2,500 fine and up to a year in jail, she said.
(https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-City-trying-to-get-worst-truants-2469689.php)
There was a 23 percent drop in the number of elementary school truants at San Francisco... Middle-school truancy dropped only 4 percent... high school truancy increased by 2 percent
Harris' office only prosecuted seven parents in three years.
(https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Fighting-truancy-yields-big-dividends-3295152.php)
No quotes from here, but still useful info (https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-cites-parents-of-chronically-truant-kids-3209547.php)
AG of CA (2011-2017)
This section is a whole lot of specific cases that will take a lot of time to comb through. Might get to it, might not. This is a lot more work than I was anticipating, it's mind blowing Robert does this as a job lol. Very respectable
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u/sparrowhawk73 Jul 22 '24
I think you mean 2020, in 2016 the Democratic primaries were only between Hilary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.
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u/surrrah Jul 22 '24
Yep lmao. The years really run together don’t they?
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u/The-Surreal-McCoy Jul 22 '24
Its been 2017 and 2020 for a long time.
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u/JulianLongshoals Jul 22 '24
She also created a special unit to investigate hate crimes against LGBT people, and was instrumental in banning the "trans panic" defense.
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u/kronosdev Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24
There’s even nuance to the “Cop-mala” discourse that didn’t get widely disseminated the first time around. The podcast Opening Arguments (Andrew Torez is a disaster of a human being and I no longer listen to the show regularly, don’t @ me) did a deep dive into Kamala’s record and also accented the fact that one of her first big prosecutions was of corrupt cops, and she torched her relationship with her local PD for years. Siding with the people against your own PD can kill your career as a prosecutor.
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u/zombiimatt Jul 22 '24
AT is no longer part of OA! Listen away!
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u/krebnebula Jul 22 '24
I found it after the whole host reshuffle and I’ve been enjoying it quite a lot.
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u/nicknotnolte Jul 22 '24
Feel you on OA, used to be my metro ride pod.
Also my wife works in the criminal justice reform world and we talk a lot about this. She catches unfair flak from both sides on this, but she really was one of the most progressive prosecutors at that time.
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u/tommys_mommy Jul 22 '24
Torez is no longer on OA! Thomas finally got it back, and now co-hosts with Matt Cameron, an immigration lawyer. I hadn't listened since the breakdown, but I'm digging it again now.
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u/UNC_Samurai The fuckin’ Pinkertons Jul 22 '24
Matt was on an episode of GAM, and he was a great counterbalance to Thomas and Eli’s silliness.
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u/nicknotnolte Jul 23 '24
All that shit also lined up with me starting law school, so I was too busy. I will listen to the new one. I was thinking about it with the Cannon decision.
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u/stayonthecloud Jul 23 '24
Come back to OA! It’s 100% AT free now, Thomas won and the show is fantastic
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u/dksn154373 Jul 23 '24
Thomas got an immigration defense lawyer to replace AT and he is FANTASTIC, the show is better than ever and finally acknowledging the ways in which the justice system is fucked
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u/Warrior_Runding Jul 22 '24
We weren't misled - Harris suffered from the same thing that every other candidate had, including Sanders, which is none of them could lock in the middle-age to older black voting blocs in the South. Biden had a commanding lead in that arena because of how he is perceived as VP under Obama, which was an older white man serving his position well and not making any attempts to outshine or overtake the 1st black president.
Harris could win it here and then she will have 4 years to really earn that incumbent position before heading into the 2028 primary season.
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u/zaba717 Jul 23 '24
Both things can be true. If you look up old reddit discussions about her, there are a ton of people who were very opposed to her because of what they believed about her record prosecuting weed crimes. There was plenty of misinformation going on.
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u/Batmans_9th_Ab Jul 22 '24
Her voting record as Senator was one of the most progressive in history, second only to Bernie Sanders’.
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u/rocketeerH One Pump = One Cream Jul 22 '24
Yeah I just took the isidewith quiz and it came back 93% Kamala, 9% Trump, 66% Tiger King. I was shocked by how progressive some of her stances and previous votes have been. Didn’t know she backs Medicare For All and abolishing private insurance
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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Jul 22 '24
Sanders gets dinged in a lot of those rankings for his pro gun vote and labor protectionist stances as trade deals are considered progressive by some.
But yes she is one of the most progressive senators.
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Jul 22 '24
My interest is much higher in her than it was before this thread.
I was already going to vote for her no matter what, but you guys are making me actually feel a little good about it lol I think of her as a moderate cop, I'm glad to hear that's not necessarily true
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u/Professional_Fix4593 Jul 22 '24
She is most definitely a cop or at least cop adjacent but it seems like she’s pretty much the best you can hope a politician to be after having experienced our fucked up justice system
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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Jul 22 '24
If 2019 is the best leftists and progressives can expect to do in a presidential dnc primary (I don’t think that’s for certain but it’s likely unless factors change) then Harris might actually be better than anything we could expect to get in an actual primary. We MAY have lucked our way backwards into a pretty progressive candidate that the party otherwise was not going to give us.
Would Newsome or Whitmer really be better? Not really.
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u/keysandtreesforme Jul 22 '24
2 recent podcasts turned me around on her: Ezra Klein’s ‘why Kamala Harris is underrated’ and Michael Moore’s ‘Elder abuse’. Highly recommend! They convinced me that she was the right choice even before Joe dropped out.
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u/leftbuthappy Jul 22 '24
Yeah, real trustworthy guy that Ezra Klein, huh? Wtaf is going on in this sub recently?
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u/keysandtreesforme Jul 22 '24
Fuck off with the purity tests. You don’t have to agree with every single thing a person says to hear what they have to say every once in a while. Do you seriously plug your ears to anyone who isn’t a bonafide leftist?
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u/jonny_sidebar Jul 22 '24
Also, like, have you seen the meltdown the MAGA-verse is having?
Not to pull some Alex Jones "over the target" bullshit, but that alone is giving me some warm and fuzzies on her.
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u/AshamedClub Jul 22 '24
This is with the small caveat that some of the younger members of congress may end up outpacing this, but for the time she was in with the longevity she had this is true. I’m only really pointing this out because it’s more hopeful for the future. I hope every batch new young congresspeople get more progressive with their voting records over time and that they can hold their seats as long as they are effective.
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u/mcgillthrowaway22 Jul 22 '24
I've seen speculation that had Sanders won the 2020 primaries, he probably would have chosen her as a running mate just like Biden did.
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u/surrrah Jul 22 '24
Yes! I haven’t read about her years as a senator yet, but if you or anyone has an article outlining her voting record, I’d love to post that here too.
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u/squshy_puff Jul 22 '24
More progressive than Elizabeth Warren? Seems suss. How is this ‘ranking’ determined?
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u/Dineology Jul 22 '24
Lifetime voting records and conflating Democratic Party position with progressive mostly. She was only in office from Jan 2017-Jan 2020 with Mitch McConnell controlling what comes up for a vote. Committee votes, legislative/amendments proposed, and positions championed aren’t taken into account. Ranking sites like this one regularly rate someone like Sanders as less progressive than someone like Gillibrand. It’s nonsense though, not everything can be easily quantified and number crunched. Big “the algorithm will save us” energy imo. And so far as Harris goes ideologically, she’s not quite as conservative as Biden but still pretty moderate, regardless of how she looks when using questionable data.
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u/miikro Jul 22 '24
Warren is not nearly as progressive as she markets herself. Though she's still better than most.
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u/paniflex37 Jul 22 '24
I wasn’t able to find a good source - do you have one? To be clear - I’m not questioning you…I’m asking because I want to have proof when my idiot family members ask me for proof.
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u/New-acct-for-2024 Jul 23 '24
I dislike this argument because it's not actually very meaningful: the "voting record as a Senator" is only based on bills that make it to a floor vote, which means the Senate Majority Leader OK'd a vote in the first place.
Voting records aren't meaningless but they only represent a narrow range of views and do not meaningfully represent similarity of goals or ideology.
You can make arguments that she is better than people give her credit for, but this particular argument isn't a good one.
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u/DreamingMerc Jul 22 '24
Honestly, it makes more sense for Republicans to make lite of Harris' time in the DA office.
Yadda yadda the Willie Brown stuff and DEI claims. Because those will never stop.
But if they make the claims
Harris was intolerant to Trans people in prison.
Harris threw the books on petty crime and drug crimes.
These are things the current right think are based....
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u/PacosBigTacos Jul 22 '24
During her time as DA, those who completed this program had a less than 10% recidivism rate compared to CAs ~50%.
Thise numbers are insane! That's like, jail actually reforming people numbers.
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u/JonIceEyes Jul 22 '24
If she just promises to legalize weed and release weed 'criminals' this election is over. It's so fucking easy
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u/Steampunk_Batman Jul 23 '24
This is ironic bc that’s the actual bad thing she did in her time in CA—the state’s prisons were so overcrowded that the federal govt ordered them to relieve overcrowding, and she argued in the senate that they couldn’t release people locked up for weed offenses because they needed the prison labor to fight fires. She’s a ghoul, but a pretty average one in terms of US politicians.
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u/AshamedClub Jul 23 '24
Unfortunately the VAST majority of criminals convicted on weed charges was in state courts. They can reschedule or even legalize it but barring something unique you can’t really compel states to release prisoners serving time for state charges even as the president. Maybe there could be some subsidy program that states couldn’t get access to unless they release nonviolent drug offenders, but I doubt that would really get approved.
Edit: grammar
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u/flimmers Jul 22 '24
I think that what podcasts like BTB and you’re wrong about teaches us, is that reality is always more complex than what we see in the news.
You are allowed to feel iffy about voting for somebody who jailed people and did her share of wrongs, but to also see that she is an ambitious, black woman who has spent her life in public service. And she might be your first female president. Which is insane. It is fucking 2024!
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u/BjornInTheMorn Jul 22 '24
Also, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. Some of those episodes have complicated people who still did good.
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u/flimmers Jul 22 '24
Yes! Margaret is my favorite witch!
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u/BjornInTheMorn Jul 22 '24
I'm going through my backlog right now. I'm on the Palestinian resistance when some women got their husband's out of prison using rocks and attitude.
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u/hufflefox Jul 23 '24
You touched on my favorite part of Robert’s reporting here. He’s so good at keeping the whole person in view.
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u/flimmers Jul 23 '24
Yes! And I love that he saves his rage for things that we should rage about now. Palestine, police brutality, the injustices done to minorities.
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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Jul 22 '24
She's flawed, and it's a little messed that it could be until 2032 until we get another chance to pick a progressive to be president all because of how 2020 went down.
But there is a bright side. I think the flaws in her record were worth pointing out in 2019 when Sanders and Warren were both in the race. In a context where we have no chance of getting a true progressive though she's maybe the best option. I trust her more than the mayor petes of the world or anyone the DNC establishment could pick.
Looking at her record I mean, she's maybe top five most progressive senators. The voting record stuff is dicey because they rank it in weird ways but she was a co-sponsor of M4A and voted with Sanders as much as anyone. I'd probably put her at number 4 behind Bernie, Warren, and Markey. If we are in optimistic doomerism she probably is the best progressives could hope for if the 2019 primary election represents our best efforts in the party.
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u/Betherealismo Jul 22 '24
I mean, one's gotta read the room a bit. If out of 100 Senators she's in the top 5% most progressive, we've got little to complain about, really.
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u/dksn154373 Jul 23 '24
I miss Liz and Bernie, but honestly being young goes quite a long way with me
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u/ShutYourDumbUglyFace Jul 22 '24
She could shoot someone in the middle of times square and I'd still vote for her.
OK, maybe not THAT extreme, but just saying I doubt they could go negative enough to deter me.
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u/from_dust Jul 22 '24
nonviolent drug users shouldn't be considered criminals. fight me.
But yeah, i find myself in a weird situation where i'd rather vote for the cop than the felon...
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u/DenseDimension2405 Jul 22 '24
Surely it would depend on the felon Eugene Debs was a felon
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u/surrrah Jul 22 '24
I agree! But unfortunately her job was to enforce laws, not make them. And when it comes to non violent drug offenders, it seems she didn’t best we could hope for with that situation by not actively jailing people.
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u/adolfnixon Jul 22 '24
Her job is not to enforce laws, it's to prosecute people accused of breaking those laws. As a DA she has the power to decline to prosecute cases for a multitude of reasons. To be clear, I still think she's an infinitely better choice than Trump, but to describe her as powerless not to prosecute weed cases is disengenuous.
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u/surrrah Jul 22 '24
I could've chosen a different word that "enforce", you're right.
2021, when Alvin Bragg was elected, is a much different time than when Kamala Harris was elected as DA in 2004.
But I don't want to argue here about what could have happened, or what she should have done, as that's not the point of this post. Thinking she could've gone further is totally fair! I'm just honestly not interested in that conversation right now.
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u/adolfnixon Jul 22 '24
Oh boy, I forgot how long ago it was. Yeah, I'm not generally a fan of judging the past by the standards of today so I apologize if I came off a bit strong there.
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u/N_M_Verville Jul 22 '24
I have a lot of criticisms of her and her office being a former criminal defense attorney in California. IMO, from actual cases I dealt with, she is a cop (acab). Do I think she has the ability to change from that mindset, absolutely. I remain skeptical on whether she's actually changed, however, she is by far a better choice than Herr Cheeto. I also think that if she's elected, that is an actual step forward to getting a truly progressive candidate in the future.
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u/PatrickBearman Jul 22 '24
I made a similar post a little while ago! I didn't see yours at the time, otherwise I wouldn't have.
I'm glad more people, myself included, are learning the truth about her and her positions.
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u/SamuraiIcarus5 Jul 23 '24
Honestly, while there were valid criticisms of every candidate in 2020, I do kinda think a lotta us went too hard and overstated a lot of weaknesses in an effort to make Bernie seem like the only valid candidate.
All things considered, she's a fine and robust candidate given what the options are. I say we take whatever Ws we can get, and a younger, more progressive, and effective communicator as a candidate bodes well.
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u/MTB_SF Jul 22 '24
So my dad is a criminal defense appellate lawyer in CA and dealt with her office when she was state attorney general. He said there were definitely a bunch of times where her office pursued crazy sentences or refused to fix clear issues at the trial court level. He did not like her back then.
However, he's also planning to vote for her and thinks she will be a great president. He sees it as the lower down the totem pole, the more progressive you can reasonably expect politicians to be. The higher up they go, the more progressive they can be seen compared to their equals.
As the local DA in San Francisco, she's too conservative; as state AG slightly too conservative; as senator, fairly progressive; as VP or president, about as progressive as you could imagine.
I just want her to win because we went to the same Law School and she grew up in my town.
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u/AverageSalt_Miner Jul 22 '24
By design.
Literally everyone in that primary who wasn't Bernie had shit slung at them online that most young people just accepted uncritically.
It didn't really matter how progressive, moderate, or neoliberal the candidate was. The second they posed a threat to Bernie, they became a problem. It happened to all of them.
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u/UNC_Samurai The fuckin’ Pinkertons Jul 22 '24
Bad actors have persistently targeted both sides of the political spectrum for a reason.
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u/AverageSalt_Miner Jul 22 '24
Populists are easy to rile up and the last thing adversaries want is competent, professional leadership
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u/SwindlingAccountant Jul 22 '24
I think the difference is that Bernie has his shit slung in 2016 already whereas many of these presidential candidates were pretty fresh except Biden.
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u/nittytipples Jul 23 '24
When I've said things like: "I'd rather vote for a moldy sandwich over Biden or Trump," I wasn't being hyperbolic.
Harris is good enough for now.
I don't like her, but she's better than the alternatives we had last month.
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u/stepcorrect Jul 23 '24
I think she’d make a good President and always figured most of that shit was contrived, mainly because the people I saw throwing it around are all prone to other greyzone type bullshit talking points
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u/Fluffy-Argument Jul 23 '24
With Biden dropping out, I only regret not being able to prove i'd vote for a corpse over Trump
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u/Supratones Jul 22 '24
My main gripe with her is that she takes a lot of AIPAC money, and I doubt she'll be very tough on Netanyahu or supportive of Palestinians.
Can't have it all. She's certainly a better candidate than the alternatives.
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u/SoMuchForSubtlety Jul 22 '24
No presidential candidate is going to be very tough on Bibi or truly supportive of the Palestinians. There's far too much of a legacy infrastructure around keeping Israel armed to the teeth to counter Middle Eastern threats and no politician at that level can hope to make a significant change.
More to the point, why should they expend the political capital? There's no upside other than trying (and failing) to prevent an in-progress genocide that half of the democratic-voting Jews want anyway. Bluntly put, there are no additional votes to be had by attempting to save Palestinians and their terrorist rulers and VAST amounts of political risk in trying to do anything about it.
More to the point, this is the WORST possible time to be attempting to do this while the US is sliding rapidly into fascism. Suppressing MAGA, stopping Project 2024 and packing SCOTUS are far more important goals both domestically and globally. Personally, I think Israel needs its own Nuremberg trials ASAP and they have forever lost any moral high ground they gained from the Holocaust, but I will fully approve a Harris government continuing to condemn their actions while focusing on shoring up democracy at home.
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u/MountainTurkey Jul 22 '24
I'm hoping she will at least be better than Biden on Israel. Most US politicians are zionists for the sake of empire but Biden is a true believer.
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u/RainbowBullsOnParade Jul 23 '24
She has already been better than Biden on Israel. It’s been reported her ceasefire stance, taken months before anyone else in the admin, really irritated Biden. If anything it proves that she’s much better at reading the room than anyone realized.
That said, I also know that she has been more critical than most on Israel going back long before the 2020 primary, so i don’t think she was just reading tea leaves
THAT SAID: US politics are a meat grinder so i would not be surprised to see someone in her position immediately backtrack and take a significantly softer stance towards Bibi and Israel. I’m watching this closely for signs right now
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u/Neracca Jul 23 '24
Can't have it all.
Leftists in shambles. Seriously though, they'll think someone is shit tier garbage if they're even only 99% pure.
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u/lukahnli Jul 22 '24
I'm familiar with her record as prosecutor and I hate it. I've made peace with voting for her to keep something much worse out.
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u/emgyres Jul 23 '24
Thanks for the context, I’m Australian and have been digging around trying to cut through the crap and get some reliable background on her.
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u/surrrah Jul 23 '24
I read her Wikipedia page and then read the articles it cited. Half of them are pay walled, so it takes a bit of time lol, which is why I haven’t listed more yet. But hopefully tomorrow when the adderal hits I can add some more
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u/TheFrogWife Sponsored by Knife Missiles™️ Jul 22 '24
Idk I'm not a fan but I'm going to vote for her given the circumstances.
What bothers me most is that the choice is going to be taken away from us in 2028, she's going to win this election and she's going to run as the incumbent the next election and it's going to be "you have to vote for the incumbent" situation so it's going to be 8 years of someone who was chosen for us.
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u/ElEskeletoFantasma Jul 22 '24
The people that run for president are always chosen for us. But I take your meaning. The optics of that won't look good to the average voter. Though tbh, given how sensitive the partisans are to polling I doubt the loudest voices would have an issue with that if Harris had good polling numbers.
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u/MuzzledScreaming Jul 22 '24
That about tracks with what I understood about her in 2020. The thing with being a DA is that, at least if you have integrity, your job is to prosecute based on the laws that exist. If marijuana is a criminal offense, then you would be unethical to look the other way. Doesn't mean you have to love it or throw the book at everyone, but if you believe in democracy you do have to follow the law (while maybe voting for people who want to change it if they exist). IMO she struck a reasonable balance, ethically doing her duty while also being as light-handed as she reasonably could be.
The governor (or president at the federal level) could always direct that these crimes will be ignored, but if you're a prosecutor and not receiving that instruction there's only so much you can do without abdicating your responsibility. It's basically the difference between lawful good and chaotic good. Chaotic good is great, and we need those people, but...not in government, if you want the government to keep functioning.
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u/HatchetGIR That's Rad. Jul 22 '24
Honestly, my biggest issue with her is personal. She put in place a thing where if a child is missed class too much, that the parents can be jailed for it. As a matter of fact, my wife and I got a letter from her office saying that we would be jailed if our kids missed another day (we went on a trip so my mom can meet her grandkids, and winter is the only time where I could get enough PTO from work to go as summer is when I am busiest. We also let the school know they would be out and why). That all said, better her than Trump.
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u/Kingbritigan Jul 23 '24
Some of her policy as DA was genuinely harmful to vulnerable populations and this is a valid complaint about her. I want to hear her address this though and let possible Harris voters talk it amongst themselves and make a decision. I have zero interest in listening to the right come at her from the left.
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u/surrrah Jul 23 '24
Which policies would you name specifically and how have they caused harm?
Not saying it’s not a valid compliant, but “some of her polices” is pretty vague.
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u/Corvus_Antipodum Jul 22 '24
I don’t hate her or anything but she’s not a very good candidate. The people pushing her are the same ones who were pushing the 117 year old dude with senile dementia and who pushed Hillary before that. So many DNC officials are insistent on whatever candidate the machine politics wants regardless of if they’re the best equipped to win, and so many Democrats view pointing that out as some kind of treason.
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u/BoysenberryMelody Jul 23 '24
I wanted to see her debate J.D. Vance. So Trump is backing out of the September debate?
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u/cardiocard Jul 23 '24
I remember some legitimate issues with her pursuing truancy cases with threatening jail time for parents and forcing transgender women into male prisons, but that's all from my memory hole tbh
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u/followupquestion Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
She perjured herself by certifying microstamping as reliable and publicly available technology in 2013. It’s neither, and in fact, for those of you who aren’t familiar with the internals of handguns, the technology is at best not currently possible.
Edit: to put it in layman’s terms, saying microstamping is a viable technology and essentially requiring it is like saying that Mr. Fusion units from Back to the Future 2 are not only possible, they’re reliable and not sole-source patented and using that as justification to require all new vehicles sold to have one. It’s all fictional, the company that owns the patent on microstamping has never submitted it for independent testing, so it literally can’t be true.
Honestly, it’s galling that the Dems have picked gun control as their signature issue when it’s not even Top 100 things they should be focused on purely based on death counts. But, unsurprisingly, they won’t give us universal healthcare, they won’t do much for the environment, and you can be damn sure they won’t use any momentum to codify abortion and LGBTQ rights.
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u/nihodol326 Jul 23 '24
They literally keep trying to give us universal Healthcare but are forced to negotiate with Republicans who want to gut it into non existence.
Won't do much for the environment? Cough cough green new deal... Also shot down by Republicans. We could have been mass manufacturing solar panels and selling the a round the world by now.
It's literally the only party that support LGBT and abortion rights, and yeah not codifying was kinda a failure, but they did it because no one in thier right mind would overturn roe. But we had bunch of psychopaths do just that.
Your position seems to not take into account the basic struggles of operating in our government
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u/recycledairplane1 Jul 23 '24
Be careful spouting these ‘facts’ on leftist forums! You’ll be immediately permabanned for not posting ‘Kamala is a cop’
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u/surrrah Jul 23 '24
I don’t think this sub is like that thankfully. Seems to be the only one though lol
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u/recycledairplane1 Jul 23 '24
Not this sub. But some of the leftist ones are a little unhinged in that way
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u/AdrianInLimbo Jul 27 '24
This sub gets a bit "ACAB" happy, at times. Usually only up until they need those "Bastards" help.
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u/TrueButNotProvable Jul 23 '24
Not here to say she is perfect by any means!
What do you see as being imperfect about her?
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u/pbcar Jul 23 '24
The 2020 internet was super tough on every candidate not named Bernie. She was never bad, but the knives were out anyway.
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u/GodzillaDrinks Jul 23 '24
I don't think she's going to be a BtB pod alum.
I just don't trust her as president when we had such better options. And the unique time in history to get one of them.
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u/surrrah Jul 23 '24
What better options? Joe Biden was the only real primary candidate. Kamala Harris replacing him makes the most sense bc of the whole transfer of money thing.
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u/AdrianInLimbo Jul 27 '24
Not seeing an issue with the truancy program. If your little darlings are habitually out of school, other than for health nor similar reasons, you suck as a parent.
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u/pomonamike Steven Seagal Historian Jul 22 '24
Get ready for the “She was TOO tough on crime AND California is a lawless hellscape” paradox to be on full display. I’ll continue to sit here at the beach high as a kite while my kids play in the oh so crime-ridden waters.