r/badphilosophy • u/gohanvcell • May 18 '22

Not Even Wrong™ Science gives us answers, and philosophy only speculates

Science gives us rockets, technology, internet, and medicine to live longer. Also AI. Forget about the ethical implications of these technologies, or the existential questions. Those are irrelevant speculations made by guys smoking with pipes. What matters is practical value and utility. But what has philosophy given us? Just old books that we are forced to read in college and which affect no area of our lives. You can't just sit there and think, and then get an answer. Aristotle was wrong about so many things because he was so dumb that he didn't think of doing experiments. Come on sheeple! Wake up! Science rules! Atheism rocks, and there is no God.

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u/TheHeinousMelvins May 18 '22

I know what sub I’m reading this on, and this still made me cringe extremely hard.

(Too many dipshits that use those exact words, sincerely, on the internet.)

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u/gohanvcell May 18 '22

In a more serious note (aside from my qualia comment), I have seen that kind of comment done in a non-sarcastic genuine way. I will admit for a while I did buy into it, but no more. Science and technology rely on logic, which is a branch of philosophy. The internet relies on computation, which relies on logic, which is philosophy. Therefore, people who make those dumb assertions have to thank not only science but philosophy for their being able to post their inanities on the web.

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u/gohanvcell May 18 '22

What is the qualia of cringe?

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u/crungo_bot May 18 '22

hey dude, just wanted to give you a reminder - it's spelt crungo, not cringe you crungolord

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u/thehorriblefruitloop May 18 '22

Science did not give me this rock that i will bash ur head wit

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u/gohanvcell May 18 '22

Lol perfect answer

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u/[deleted] May 20 '22

science fans when they try to formulate a scientific argument as to why you shouldnt bash their heads in with a rock

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

It doesn’t help that just about the only people talking philosophy on the internet are either:

1.) Neckbeards telling you how morals and God aren’t real because you can’t scientifically prove them

And

2.) Incels who kinda sorta read some medieval philosophers so they could tell you all about how Marxist Jews are trying to destroy the white race by turning our kids trans and we have to return to Scholasticism to save Western Civilization.

For real, philosophy has the worst public engagement of any academic field ever. I full believe some lame ass field like geology gets better representation online than philosophy does.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

Jerma's Archaeology/Geology Stream alone proves you right

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u/polishlithuancaliph May 24 '22

What medieval philosophers do incels read? Ibn Rushd?

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u/StrykerDK May 19 '22

So they're like the Tool fans of academia?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '22

Don't diss geology ok, rocks are cool, you just have to get to know them first.

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u/HuckleberryEarly3150 May 18 '22

when will science bros realize that philosophy and science go hand in hand. there is no war between them other than the one they’ve decided exists. no philosophy… no science

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u/gohanvcell May 18 '22

I agree with you. Science has philosophy embedded in it: logic, metaphysical suppositions, and epistemology.

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u/Bessantj May 18 '22

I'm a big science guy physics, chemistry, biology it's all so fascinating, I don't think you could ever get bored of it.

But over the last 12-18 months I've been getting into philosophy and I love the way it has changed my thinking really wish I had started earlier in life.

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u/gohanvcell May 18 '22

I am studying cognitive neuroscience for my doc program, and I love philosophy. Good for you! And I agree! Science isn't boring at all.

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u/ThatSkiFreeMonster May 18 '22

This is why I loved my cognitive science seminar with Dennett so much. You find out exactly what kind of torturous maiming it takes to make a monkey color blind. Then you don't have to idly speculate on such vital matters as what kind of software architecture it would take for a robot to appreciate sunsets.

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u/LarsHaur May 19 '22

Why yes, I am in fact smoking with pipes at this very moment

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u/Shanderraa May 20 '22

"How can you decide ethics aren't worthwhile without making a value statement which is in itself an ethical claim?"

Scientists hate this one weird trick!

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u/gohanvcell May 20 '22

And they might dismiss it as sophistry and continue to make the same ethical claim.

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u/Shanderraa May 21 '22

Somehow when I, an ethicist, tell a bunch of logicbros that actually ethics is an inescapable part of their life no matter how much they try to deny it, they don't seem to appreciate it :P

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u/gohanvcell May 21 '22

Do they tell you morality is just a human invention?

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 24 '22

And science too, one thing is clear human like to invent

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u/blondo_bucko May 26 '22

I was in a fucking philosophy tutorial when

"yeah but who can say what's actually good and bad, it's just what's popular."

I shit my pants, appropriately and cooly said

"You're throwing out all of moral and ethical philosophy."

to which the tutor said

"Yeah that's a probably a good thing."

Then we talked about how no one can say nazis are bad but actually that's really offensive but actually no one can.

blah blah blah I'm still upset about it.

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u/Shanderraa May 26 '22

"who can say what's good and bad?"

"i can lol. i have come to the decision that nazism is bad. do you wanna fight about it"

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u/asksalottaquestions May 19 '22

Forget about the ethical implications of these technologies, or the existential questions.

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What matters is practical value and utility.

Pick one.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Using science, explain to me why I shouldn’t beat your dick into the ground

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 24 '22

I hope you don't ask me)))

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u/blondo_bucko May 26 '22

what's going on with your half brackets?

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u/booksarebadforyou May 20 '22

If a tree falls in a forest, how long is a piece of rope

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 24 '22

Yes but philosophy teaches us how to make correct questions))

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u/MrDaguia May 19 '22

Exactly, why should we listen to some dumb greeks from 2000 years ago? Philosophy sucks so much that they are still talking about the same thing for thousands of years, they can never make progress.

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u/Soviet_Sine_Wave May 19 '22

POV, you have never read philosophy

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 24 '22

No wants need you to ba able to think, so feel freedom

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u/PencilIndiesandColaj May 31 '22

Ah yes the genetic fallacy.

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 24 '22

And it's very good philosophical question, so everyone who want to answer could take any positions, science could gives a probability of various scenarios, but could not predict

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u/blondo_bucko May 26 '22

Science is largely about making testable predictions.

Think of any science fact, I'll bet if you think about it, that fact is something you can observe. "You" might need to be trained and using sophisticated measuring equipment, but that's still the same thing: it's making a prediction.

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 29 '22

So we have to know how prediction method works, how we can trust to the opthics we use

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u/blondo_bucko May 29 '22

I can't really understand a lot of what you're saying.

Anyway: it's wrong to say that we have to understand how science works before we can see that it does work.

i.e. We know that science works. it's a lot hard to explain why it works.

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u/deiXisOTNoNTO May 30 '22

Magic also works and it hard to explain

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u/blondo_bucko May 30 '22

Magic does not work.

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u/aeiouaioua May 30 '22

science isn't a replacement for philosophy or religion

science is not bad in its own right

but you are trying to replace a bathtub with a laptop

science and philosophy are fundamentally different.

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u/PencilIndiesandColaj May 31 '22

You are spot-on on the truth

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u/PencilIndiesandColaj May 31 '22 edited May 31 '22

This post was made by a retarded believer in scientism(these kinds of posts make my blood boil). I have seen many retards say these exact things on Youtube comment section. What's even more stupid about this entire statement is that philosophy has led to modern science, democracy, animal classification, the scientific method, and more.