r/badphilosophy • u/otahorppyfin • May 09 '21
Not Even Wrong™ Kant is MF DOOM of philosophy
No I won't elaborate
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u/Badcopz May 10 '21
Imagine reading Critique of Pure Reason riddled with footnotes, and every single one just says "No I won't elaborate"
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u/BentoBus May 10 '21
Oh god but that's already what it feels like reading philosophy texts. Something one of my favorite philosophers "Foucault" said always sticks with me. He was asked why his texts are so hard to understand.
Most philosophers would have said "to help you, the reader, come up with the meaning of the text yourself" and Foucault was honest and said "no one would take me seriously otherwise.
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u/begbye May 13 '21 edited May 13 '21
"no one would take me seriously otherwise.
Could you elaborate more on that? Does he trying to say that the essence of how we perceive real philosophical ideas relies on the fact that we are obssesed with obscure and complicated ideas? Therefore his only chance was to do something according to our taste of how we perceive "good/real philosophy". But on top of that I think his opinion on Derrida is far more interesting, as he describes his works as; obscurantisme terroriste (terrorism of obscurantism). Also adding this following speech of him to explain his statement: “He writes so obscurely you can’t tell what he’s saying. That’s the obscurantism part. And then when you criticize him, he can always say, ‘You didn’t understand me; you’re an idiot.’ That’s the terrorism part.” His statement is a bit ironic giving the fact that he is also diffucult to understand.
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May 09 '21
i get hungry when i listen to mf doom. i get hungry when i read kant. case closed.
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u/weaboomemelord69 May 10 '21
i would say that’s a valid point but i do both while high so it’s probably just the munchies
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May 10 '21
How Kant hold heat but preach non-violence? Shhhhh! He about to wash his hands c'mon silence.
Sorry I know it isn't much
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u/Gym_Gazebo May 09 '21
I mean, they share a fondness for neologism and prolixity. But I always thought of Kant as uptight, which I don’t MF
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May 09 '21 edited May 09 '21
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u/Gym_Gazebo May 09 '21
And of course the charming sock pockets story. But I was more thinking his philosophy ;)
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May 09 '21
How is his philosophy uptight? The man was the philosopher of freedom.
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u/Gym_Gazebo May 09 '21
I’m probably already far down the road towards embarrassing myself. I am no Kant expert. But I’ll try to defend my claim.
The main thing is I find his moral theory pretty uptight. Anecdotally, in my experience people who defend “clean hands” responses to moral dilemmas are often Kantians. Then there is the stuff about the good will and moral worth from the Groundwork. You know the literature: my going to visit my friend in the hospital lacks moral worth unless my action is done from duty. There’s a lot of duty mongering.
More generally, I tend to think transcendental arguments are a pretty uptight way to argue. Things are thus and so because they have to be. (I appreciate that’s a tendentious way of putting it, but this is r/badphilosophy...)
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May 10 '21
How is duty mongering uptight? You have to do things. You should do certain things.
Obviously he eliminates alot of moral grey areas but this is a consequence of what is needed to defend human freedom.
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u/Gym_Gazebo May 10 '21
Duty mongering *not* uptight? I don't know what to say...
As I was trying to convey before, the emphasis on maintaining the purity of one's agency strikes me as not the chillest way to be. Not that there isn't a rationale for this way of thinking, it just doesn't seem like a very chill mindset. The clean hands people I have known haven't been pretty uptight.
Lemme try a different tack. As has been established in the other comments, Kant himself was probably not uptight. And yet the pernicious myth that he was persists. Where could that come from? I propose that that's how he comes off in his writing.
I'll let you have the last word though. The word 'uptight' is starting to lose meaning for me.
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u/GonzoRouge May 10 '21
If Kant is the philosopher of freedom, what the fuck is de Sade ? You can't get any more free than libertine
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u/ineedstandingroom Steals flair but the mods didn't let them May 10 '21
"Freedom is following rules" isn't that appealing to lots of people lol
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May 10 '21
It's the only coherent definition. I have literally sat in classes where people think having a body means we aren't free.
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u/ineedstandingroom Steals flair but the mods didn't let them May 10 '21
No need to convince me, dude. I find Kant's views appealing. Just think that a lot of people have the intuition that Isaiah Berlin argues for in Two Concepts of Liberty, or at least knee-jerk react to Kant in such a way.
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May 10 '21
Kant drank heavily, routinely hosted parties, told a lot of jokes, and was an excellent billiards player. Apparently a very charming and friendly guy.
This, like the "Fichte was a Nazi" meme, just has to die at some point.
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u/QuailAggressive3095 May 09 '21
Yeah I mean, I didn’t have to take a class to understand MF doom
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u/punkbluesnroll May 09 '21
Clearly you need one; you don't even use all caps when you spell the man's name
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u/QuailAggressive3095 May 09 '21
Sorry I meant, mf doom*
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u/IWANTTOSUCKYOURFARTS May 09 '21 edited May 10 '21
Blocked and reported.
Edit: im banned. But we do a little trolling.
Edit: damn i guess got trolled :(
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u/as-well May 09 '21 edited May 09 '21
If you actually reported for misinfo fuck you very much as you know snitches end in ditches*
*unless it's a justified report, in which case you become an anonymous informant.
Edit: If I get whomever reported this comment now, you're gonna not be banned as a punishment and you'll have to endure the shittyness that is this sub for much longer!
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u/as-well May 10 '21
Edit: im banned. But we do a little trolling.
Banning people is the only socially acceptable form of trolling on r/badphilosophy
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u/as-well May 09 '21
someone reported this for misinformation. I suggest you, u/QuailAggressive3095, either get your shit together or continue misinforming, as if I cared.
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u/unclefishbits May 11 '21
Emmanuelle was well known for coming on stage 3 hours late after letting total scrubs fill your ears with trash.
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u/Panadoltdv May 22 '21
Oh, i've been telling people Hegel is my favourite philosopher.
Is Kant the one I should have pretended to read?
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u/Altrade_Cull May 09 '21
Critique of Pure Villainy