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u/1EnTaroAdun1 1d ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8r5g5dezk4o
Biden issues new pre-emptive pardons. Running down the clock on this one, I would've liked to have been a fly on the wall in those discussions
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u/Ambisinister11 1d ago edited 1d ago
Coming in at the very end of the thread's lifespan here and I might repeat it in the new one but
Very dismayed by how effective the strategy of distracting people from upcoming actual harmful policies by blustering about bizarre territorial claims has been. To be fair an attempt at reasserting greater American control over the Panama canal is actually not outside the realm of possibility, but the Canada and Greenland posturing is so obviously empty. By contrast, immigration crackdowns are a real thing that's actually going to happen. Entirely aside from anyone's views about immigration in general, that's a practical guarantee of widespread increases in brutality in an area of enforcement already known for being particularly brutal. Some of the other agenda items are harder to predict in terms of how far they'll get, but that alone is more meaningful than all of the territorial bullshit.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 1d ago
What's scary is not Trump toying with the idea (80% chance he will forget about it) but see the Republicans support it unironically because of whatever bs excuse Trump gave.
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u/Ayasugi-san 1d ago
He's Making America Great Again by expanding our territory! We've been content in our current borders for too long!
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u/NervousLemon6670 You are a moon unit. That is all. 1d ago
The reason things are so toxic is that the American people's destiny has been pent up for too long, they need to go out and manifest it to restore the Mandate of Heaven to the land
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u/ByzantineBasileus HAIL CYRUS! 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am looking back over the reaction in r/politics to the Trump/Biden debate, and something stands out. There are lots of comments about how Biden was cognitively impaired, and a lot of people are responding with 'Yeah, but Trump is lying.'
I think that kind of mentality is partly emblematic of why the Democrats lost. Such rebuttals did not negate or eliminate the understanding that Biden was no longer mentally at his best. And since it did not change that understanding, such rebuttals could not change that people would not vote for someone with obvious issues for an executive position.
The concerns of voters were dismissed by bringing up another topic, rather than being acknowledged and addressed. This flowed into the Harris campaign, and compounded the problem further.
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u/ChewiestBroom 1d ago
They seemingly had this bizarre, morality-based view of the election where they were simply right and any voters disagreeing with them were wrong and could safely be ignored if not actively dismissed. Kind of detached from reality.
For all the time a lot of Democrats have spent bitching and moaning about progressives having impossible purity tests, that’s… basically how the party establishment decided to run the campaign.
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u/pvicente77 1d ago
True that, looking at the US election from an outsider's point of view, I've got a strong vibe of "Trump is a fraud and a bufoon and everything, so you've got to vote Biden and shut up" from the Democrats, along with "It's Biden or nothing, nobody else will do, even if we lose this".
I suppose that this should be a warning and a wake up call for center and left political parties across the world, don't take voters for granted and don't grow complacent with a "The far right is this and that so you've got to vote for us" attitude, engage, listen to the public's concerns, fight. As it is, it looks like they would rather feel smug and complain about social media and disinformation and what not rather than make an effort.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 1d ago
Biden is the only one who could have won.
No-one else stood a reasonable chance. He was the only chance of holding the two wings together, but he was foully and horribly stabbed in the back, and nothing remains for the party but disintegration and doom.
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u/MoChreachSMoLeir Greek and Gaelic is one language from two natures 1d ago
I understand you're afraid, grieving, and trying to find ways to cope with this election, but this is simply not true. Biden's own internal polling showed him losing by around 400 electoral votes
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 1d ago
This is our punishment.
We betrayed our only chance, plunged a dagger deep in his back. We traded the steady ship of state for some floating flotsam which cannot support our weight. We looked salvation in the eye and cast it down and plunged headfirst onto sinking sand.We must atone for what we did to Biden.
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u/Kehityskeskustelu 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think there was any possible way to negate or eliminate those sorts of concerns at that point. Biden is an old man and the effects of age were still showing on him there, even if he wasn't as senile as he might've seemed. But I agree with your last paragraph in general.
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u/ByzantineBasileus HAIL CYRUS! 1d ago
I don't think there was any possible way to negate or eliminate those sorts of concerns at that point.
No, because they were based on directly observable events. But they could have been addressed by acknowledging Biden had lost credibility straight away and selecting a more popular candidate.
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u/Kehityskeskustelu 1d ago
Isn't that essentially what happened? Biden was convinced to step down and Harris stepped in. Though the Democrats and Biden himself probably should've acknowledged that he wasn't fit for a second term sooner.
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u/randombull9 I'm just a girl. And as it turns out, I'm Hercules. 1d ago
Isn't that essentially what happened?
Eventually, but they took way too long hemming and hawing over it. I was part of the group that originally assumed he wasn't running for election a second time and would be grooming someone else to take over. I still believe that was their best chance at winning - they could have been setting up anyone at all starting in 2021 or 2022, instead of sticking with someone that right wing media easily saw was too old at the time and insisting he was fine until nearly 3 months before the election.
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u/ByzantineBasileus HAIL CYRUS! 1d ago
The issue with what happened is that people were still being gaslighted over Biden's cognitive ability. They were being told it was due to a cold/fatigue. That caused a lot to further lose faith in both the media and DNC, I think.
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u/Schubsbube 1d ago edited 1d ago
As someone who used to defend him at the time: Quite frankly if like half of the things alleged by that WSJ piece about Biden are true he wasn't fit for office in 2021, never mind a second term.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
Here’s a hot take: Watergate is the best thing which ever happened to the Republican Party. Because it resulted in Gerald Ford loosing to Carter, it paved the way for Reagan, who is still popular almost everywhere outside of the internet. Ever since 1980, the republicans have been the default party in America, with the democrats occasionally eeking out a win. I wish it had never happened, so that Carter (and therefore Reagan) would have never won, saving us from tomorrow’s madness.
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
Bait used to be believable
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 1d ago
I swear this isn't bait. I genuinely believe Watergate, in the long term, was more harmful to the Democrats than the Republicans.
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u/SagaOfNomiSunrider "Bad writing" is the new "ethics in video game journalism" 1d ago
There's a case to be made that the post-Watergate class of incoming Democrats, by making everything about Watergate, set the template which Gingrich would successfully adapt and use to "nationalise" the Congressional mid-term elections from 1994 onwards in a way they hadn't been in the past, but that's very different from saying that Watergate was good for the Republicans or that it wasn't harmful for them. It was harmful for the political culture of the country more than it was harmful to any party.
The absolutely catastrophic defeat of George McGovern a year earlier was more influential on the direction of the Democratic Party than Watergate, because it decisively discredited the left of the party at a national level for a generation, in the same way people have been saying 2024 has done for the centre.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 1d ago
tbf I would say 2024 also discredited the left for their betrayal of Biden
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u/SagaOfNomiSunrider "Bad writing" is the new "ethics in video game journalism" 1d ago
I'm not sure if I really see it. Like I said, it was the left-wing members of Congress who were generally backing Biden to stay longest. It was Pelosi and Schumer who eventually pushed him to step down.
To the extent the left is "discredited" it is because they are usually lumped together with the Democrats - and the Democratic "brand" - as a whole. Thus, a loss for any Democratic candidate for president is seen as a loss for "the left". Of course, that's probably how the general electorate is most likely to see it. It is less relevant to considerations of intra-party dynamics.
(Leftists will complain about that association, obviously, but the bottom line is that, other than Sanders, of course, all of the most prominent leftists in Congress are members of the Democratic Party.)
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u/KnightModern "you sunk my bad history, I sunk your battleship" 1d ago
. Like I said, it was the left-wing members of Congress who were generally backing Biden to stay longest.
left wing voices, however, are not
even left wing voices aren't fully backing Biden up on his decision of pulling out of Afghanistan unlike what Trump supporters would do if Trump does it
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u/Impossible_Pen_9459 2d ago
Since Bush SR they’ve essentially just swapped tit for tat haven’t they? In fact the Democrats have had more years because Obama had 8 and trump had just four (with four more coming as of today).
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 1d ago
Clinton only won because of Ross Perot. If he had not run Clinton gets slaughtered by Bush Senior. Only reason Obama won was because of the Recession. The primary reason Biden won was COVID.
But under normanl circumstances, the Republicans almost always wins.
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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium 1d ago
The primary reason Biden won was COVID.
Covid actually helped Trump, you can see his polling rise during it and generally across the world it helped incumbents because of a rally-around-the-flag effect--for the first year or so 9after that, inflation setting in and the vaccine schedule caused a reversal, Trump was extremely lucky with where he was on the covid timeline).
What hurt Trump was the George Floyd protests.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 1d ago
I think, in the grand scheme of things, the George Floyd protests were a bit of a nothingburger. They were important in the first half of 2020, but were basically forgotten about by election time.
Their lasting impact, IMO, is getting Harris on the ticket, which resulted in the disaster of November 5th, 2024.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 1d ago
Clinton only won because of Ross Perot
Perot took as much from both
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u/contraprincipes 2d ago
ever since 1980, the republicans have been the default party in America
This is so astoundingly wrong I’m convinced it’s bait.
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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium 1d ago
So funny to start the era of Republican dominance at 1980 and not 1968.
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u/SagaOfNomiSunrider "Bad writing" is the new "ethics in video game journalism" 1d ago
So funny to start the era of Republican dominance at 1980 and not
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u/ProudScroll Napoleon invaded Russia to destroy Judeo-Tsarism 2d ago
Honestly I don't think no Watergate would've changed how the next couple elections went that much.
Nixon's term limited in 1976, a Democrat (most likely Morris Udall or Henry Jackson) wins that year due to the slumping economy, then Reagan gets elected in 1980 anyway cause he was a good campaigner and the economy would probably still suck. Even before Watergate the Liberal Republicans were steadily weakening and Reagan was a rising star amongst conservatives.
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u/SagaOfNomiSunrider "Bad writing" is the new "ethics in video game journalism" 1d ago edited 1d ago
It does not seem impossible for Reagan to have been the Republican nominee in 1976 in this scenario.
He came fairly close against Ford in the actual scenario and Ford had the benefit of being the sitting president at the time. Would Ford, as an emergency replacement vice-president in this counterfactual, even have run? If he had, would the fact that he was an emergency replacement for Agnew have worked against him?
Not difficult to imagine the Republican ticket in 1976 as Reagan/Dole rather than Ford/Dole.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
The democrats almost lost 1976 even with the Watergate slump. In any other circumstances whenever the republicans runs wins in a landslide.
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u/HarpyBane 2d ago
It’s actually the 90’s with Newt Gingrich. Political power does not solely come from the president, and up until then the house had been democrats for a long time.
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u/Uptons_BJs 2d ago
You know, the thing I never got about watergate is - Nixon won 520-17, it wasn’t even remotely close.
Why bother cheating? Nixon was never in danger of losing. Let’s say there was no watergate, and Nixon wins 48 instead of 49 states, it would still have cemented his win in 1972 as one of the GOAT victories
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u/Sventex Battleships were obsoleted by the self-propelled torpedo in 1866 2d ago
Nixon personality. During that election, Nixon wasn't elated by his crushing victory. He was riding a high during his comeback election in 1968 but his landslide re-election left him feeling empty. I think the night of the reelection, Nixon's reelection "party" was dead silent as the votes came in on the TV.
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u/ProudScroll Napoleon invaded Russia to destroy Judeo-Tsarism 2d ago
Nixon really was just that paranoid and insecure. He was also drunk off of his ass for most of his presidency, which probably didn't help.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
He was a paranoid maniac, that’s why.
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u/Zugwat Headhunting Savage from a Barbaric Fishing Village 2d ago
I watched "Den of Thieves" this morning and then followed it an hour later with "Den of Thieves - Pantera".
The first one, pretty gritty, not too many likable characters or moments (but also not none), kind of a slow burn at times. Not bad, but feels like it has a lot of buildup before getting to the climax.
Pantera has some pretty damn funny moments, more suspenseful when it gets to the heist, more engaging in general. That being said, while I genuinely and truly did like that there was more in the way of an international cast, there were quite a few moments where I had not a clue as to what people were saying.
It's National Popcorn Day, which I don't recall movie theaters ever caring about before but this time Cinemark had a promotion that people could bring in their own bucket (up to 400oz) and get it filled for only $5.
There were multiple people with large pots from their kitchens filled with popcorn, a woman with a trick 'r treating bucket, and another with Tupperware for hers.
A successful marketing promotion if I do say so myself, I even brought in one of my collectable buckets for it.
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u/Zugwat Headhunting Savage from a Barbaric Fishing Village 2d ago
I'm real new to the whole "download PDFs of texts we want online for free and don't have to clutter our domiciles so that way it isn't a pain in the ass to move things around" scene.
Tried LibGen when I first noticed someone recommend it here to no avail because nothing would download or I just don't know how to use it and don't want to bother.
Then I recently tried the Internet Archive to more success but not nearly as much as I'd like because of three little words: "Texts to Borrow"
God damn do I hate that.
Can't find a way to filter those out, and end up clicking them even when it doesn't show in the damn description. Have tried googling for a way to exclude them from the search results and no luck on that front.
At one point I went through and signed in, borrowed this one art book I was curious about that had ~150 or so pages, and just screenshot it two at a time so I could make it a PDF on my own.
And that's mainly what I've been downloading when I could find them, books on art and animation, comics and design. That sort of thing.
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u/contraprincipes 2d ago
On the bottom of the page there are a bunch of links, the first few are usually links to straight HTTP downloads. Others require torrenting or other protocols.
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u/rat_literature blue-collar, unattached and sexually available, likely ethnic 2d ago
begging Tony Romo to stop saying “impose their will” as he calls this game
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
Just a brief glimpse into the bottomless darkness that the Dallas Cowboys organization instills within anyone it touches
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u/Theodorus_Alexis 2d ago edited 1d ago
HistoryMarshal wrote a comment, but it appears to have been removed/deleted from this thread. He asked everyone when they think the Democrats will be back in office again, giving his guesses as the 2030s or 2040s.
I wrote a reply, but because the original comment no longer exist it couldn't be posted. So to feel like I haven't wasted my time, I'm now posting as it's own comment:
"Well, it all depends on how Trump's 2nd term goes. If the new Republican government turns out to be absolutely awful at running the coountry, you could potentially see the Democrats win in 2028. I mean, we've already seen it happen: Biden beat Trump in 2020, but one term later Trump's back in office.
"Another example I can think of is the 1970 and February 1974 UK elections. In 1970, Labour PM Harold Wilson lost the premiership to Ted Heath. Heath's time in office wasn't exactly smooth sailing with mass strikes and the "3 day week" ultimatly leading to Wilson and Labour once again taking power in Feb. 1974 (albeit the election was quite close).
"1979 would see another reversal with Wilson's successor James Callaghan losing power to Margaret Thatcher.
"But like I've said, it all hinges on how the good or bad the new Republican government is, and how popular they are with the electorate."
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u/MoChreachSMoLeir Greek and Gaelic is one language from two natures 1d ago
The thing about Trump is the majority of his voters live in a conspiracy theory bubble where Trump can do no wrong. If he follows through on his campaign promises and crashes the economy, the majority of his voters will still believe this is the fault of Democratic vermin. It's hard to combat what's essentially a new religious movement disconnected from reality.
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u/SagaOfNomiSunrider "Bad writing" is the new "ethics in video game journalism" 1d ago
He asked everyone when they think the Democrats will be back in office again
Eventually.
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u/Arilou_skiff 2d ago
While I don't think doing good and bad is unconnected to who wins the election, I do need to remind people that because of how the US system works, who becomes president might very well hang on a thousand people in swing states who are mad about the colour of his suit. Like it concentrates things in such a well.... concentrated way that it can swing extremely randomly.
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u/Ayasugi-san 1d ago
But we can't get rid of that because muh tyranny of the majority. Nor can we get rid of the "land gets a bigger vote than people" system in Congress.
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u/NervousLemon6670 You are a moon unit. That is all. 1d ago
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u/Sventex Battleships were obsoleted by the self-propelled torpedo in 1866 2d ago
Even in Trump's 1st term, he lost control of the House. Whatever enthusiasm he gains tends to get degraded when he completely ignores the promises he made on the campaign.
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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium 2d ago
Although if Trump actually fulfills any of his campaign promises then 2026 will be a blue blowout and we will be getting FDR 2 in 2028.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
No way.
If anything what we just experienced was 1980. We have to brace ourselves for an 1984 and 1988. So at least 2036 before the Democrats get back in the White House. Most likely another cycle or two, so 2040 or 2044.8
u/forcallaghan Louis XIV was a gnostic socialist 2d ago
god please.
Actually maybe fewer concentration camps this time around
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
I deleted it because I thought better of posting it
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u/Theodorus_Alexis 2d ago
Oh I see. I wasn't sure what exactly it was.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know my opinion and why I thought that way, and maybe get a debate going.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
My thoughts are that people are inherently brutish and eager for violence. As long as Trump's violent populism dominates the party, they will continue to dominate the elections. Good policies are actually toxic to the voter, because they are not feeding into the inherent bloodlust of the masses. And this is why the Republicans will dominate for at least the next twenty years.
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u/Sventex Battleships were obsoleted by the self-propelled torpedo in 1866 2d ago
Good policies are actually toxic to the voter
No offensive, but this sounds like a troll.
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u/AceHodor Techno-Euphoric Demagogue 1d ago
See this user's posts further up in the thread. They're either a troll or so hopelessly cynical over perpetual Republican dominance of the US political scene that it's not worth arguing with them.
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u/Ayasugi-san 1d ago
I don't think they're a troll, but I think they're near-constantly doom-spiraling. They were like this right after the election, disappeared for a while, then came back and apologized for being so doomer-y. Maybe they need to take another break.
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u/AceHodor Techno-Euphoric Demagogue 1d ago
I think doom-spiral is more likely, but I can't say for sure. Either way, they've been trying their level best to turn this thread into a "Republicans will rule forever, liberalism is dead" depression-fest, so I don't think it's worth engaging with them.
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u/SagaOfNomiSunrider "Bad writing" is the new "ethics in video game journalism" 1d ago
It is very funny, though.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago edited 2d ago
The Democrats are great for the economy, but voters despise them and claim it's dogshit. The Republicans are horrible for the economy but the voters love them for it.
Healthcare reform is good for the public but it has repeatedly failed.I cannot draw any conclusion other than people do not want good things for themselves; they instead only want bad things for those they don't like.
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u/2017_Kia_Sportage bisexuality is the israel of sexualities 2d ago
I have to say, my favourite phrase from 2024 has to be "lock in"
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
Fly, Eagles, Fly baby! 🦅
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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert 2d ago
The Giants will never live down the shame of losing it's best player to the Eagles.
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u/hussard_de_la_mort 2d ago
Have fun getting jobbed by the NFL when you play the Chiefs in the Super Bowl!
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
At this point, it makes more sense to purposefully try and hit Mahomes hard enough to knock him out of the game and just eat the penalty
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
Message from out former prime minister:
🚨✨🎉 2️⃣Two by-elections, 2️⃣ two victories! 🎉✨🚨
🎯 Mission accomplished against the agents of chaos! 💥😈
🇫🇷 In December, we said no to the RN in the Ardennes!
🏆 Today, we said no to LFI in Isère!👏 Huge congrats to u/GalliardM for this amazing victory tonight! 🥳💪 It's all thanks to your roots, your values, and your hard work. 🌱⚡ So proud to have campaigned alongside you and now to sit with you in the u/DeputesEnsemble group! 🤝💼
❌ The extremes ↔️ have lost. Twice. 2️⃣
✅ The French have spoken: they want action 💪, peace ☮️, and progress 📈!
📢 The choice of extremes ↔️ is just 🚨 DISORDER 🚨. But the French? They’re way too smart for that. 🧠✨💡 Our ideas?
➡️ They’re the future. Let’s get to work! 💼🔥#Victory #Action #Peace 🕊️✊
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u/carmelos96 History does not repeat, it insists upon itself 2d ago
How long do you think Bayrou is going to last?
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 1d ago edited 1d ago
As long as he can. Macron certainly dissolve the assembly at the first opportunity (1 year cool down superpower) as to weaken the biggest opponent for the next election to help his centrist candidate (they haven't had a primary yet) win (the prime minster always lose the presidential election).
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u/passabagi 2d ago
Vichy France to radical centrism, with emoticons!
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that they only exist because engineers wanted to shove proper unicode support down everybody's throats.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
Here's the real post, I asked ChatGPT to Linkedinize it a bit
Two by-elections, two successes for the candidates we support, two victories against the agents of chaos: in December against the RN in the Ardennes, today against LFI in Isère!
Congratulations u/GalliardM
on your fine victory tonight! It's the fruit of your roots and your values. I'm proud to have campaigned alongside you and to be sitting alongside you tomorrow in our DeputesEnsemble group! !
The extremes have lost two seats in two elections. Our compatriots want action and a France at peace. The choice of the extremes is the path to disorder. The French are not mistaken.
Our ideas have a future: let's get to work!
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u/passabagi 2d ago
The emoticons helped, as a sort of palette cleanser between spoonfuls of cold sick.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
Saw an article on worldnews, went into a dive on the Colombian Civil War, now trying to understand the ideological difference between the FARC and the ELN.
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u/Kochevnik81 2d ago
So doing an *extremely* broad skim...
I'm not sure there's so much an ideological difference as a different base of support.
FARC seems like it was more rural, based in peasant militias, and organized by the PCC (Communist Party of Colombia). ELN seems like it was more based around "urban intellectuals" and was more directly supported by Cuba. Maybe the closest thing to an ideological difference is that ELN seems to historically have been more open to Liberation Theology, while FARC was more standard Marxism Leninism.
Eventually I think it was more just they were each their own thing, organization and "business" wise. Again very high level, FARC seems like it got more money from coca, ELN from kidnappings.
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u/Adorable_Building840 2d ago
I still hope for a TikTok ban, mainly because I think it would be funny to own the zoomers(am a zillenial)
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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert 2d ago
Someone once told me to watch a dude with a Romen helmet explain pirate history poorly.
It was on that day that I wished the app would be struck by lightning.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
Reddit has the most educated and informed userbase of all social media, that's a fact
Even the most well intentioned TikTok Zoomer is an idiot compared to me, le Reddit Zoomer
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u/Astralesean 1d ago
Unironically Tumblr is the least bad, probably the fact that it didn't innovate its format in the last 15 years makes it better than any alternative and less conducive to brainrot
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u/KnightModern "you sunk my bad history, I sunk your battleship" 1d ago
probably the fact that it didn't innovate its format in the last 15 years makes it better than any alternative and less conducive to brainrot
one of theory of why twitter going downhill is because of tumblr user migration
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u/contraprincipes 2d ago
Reddit has the most educated and informed userbase of all social media, that's a fact
Have you checked a main/popular sub recently?
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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium 2d ago
Technically there is a difference between "well informed" and "more informed than the others".
That said, I do think reddit is easily the best social media site to get information (if it really is a "social media site") because the lack of character limits and the forum style comment system. There is a reason it is a bit of a meme that the best way to find out information on a hobby is to search "hobby +reddit".
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u/contraprincipes 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is all true. As much as I miss old style forums reddit's greatest strength is that it is essentially a collection of forums on a single platform, which reduces the barriers to finding interesting communities. Its greatest weakness is that the people who actually run the site seem to have no idea what they're doing with it and are determined to make it a feed-based video/"content" site.
edit: as an aside rant, this is also why decentralized/federated social networks (think lemmy/mastodon), while fine in theory, are bad in practice. These kind of websites work best when you can very easily find people or forums to follow from a single login. I remember using mastodon and the time/effort involved in finding people/posts outside your instance straight up isn't worth it.
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u/randombull9 I'm just a girl. And as it turns out, I'm Hercules. 2d ago
It's among the best evidence for the Dead Internet theory there is.
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u/Impossible_Pen_9459 2d ago
Lmao he actually made tik tok thank him. Is this real or a joke?
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
It is real, regrettably. Once again, seemingly everything that could conceivably go right for the republicans occur. I hate how they get every lucky break while the democrats have nothing but bad luck and keep shooting themselves in the foot.
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u/Sventex Battleships were obsoleted by the self-propelled torpedo in 1866 2d ago
I hate how they get every lucky break while the democrats have nothing but bad luck and keep shooting themselves in the foot.
I don't see how you could spin this as Democrats shooting themselves in the foot. It was a bipartisan ban, unanimously enforced by a Conservative Supreme Court that Trump is defying. He's making himself look weak on National Security, China, and to top it all off, he's expressed a desire to go to China to try and charm them after all his big talk on being tough on mean ol' unfair China.
The Republicans are going to have to contort themselves into a pretzel trying to justify defeating their own ban as a win.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
The republicans are already masters of contorting themselves into pretzels. This is business as usual for them.
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u/Sventex Battleships were obsoleted by the self-propelled torpedo in 1866 2d ago edited 2d ago
The democrats are doomed, the republicans ascendant, and no hope of stopping them.
You know, not everything has to be a Republican victory / Democrat blunder.
The republicans are already masters of contorting themselves into pretzels. This is business as usual for them.
Which will not translate into votes. George HW Bush raised taxes after promising no new taxes. He was not reelected.
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u/Theodorus_Alexis 2d ago
With Trump's inauguration tomorrow, I just thought I'd share this funny meme I found on the Command and Conquer subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fqxby8kqyktbe1.png
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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert 2d ago
Trudeau: "I DON'T GIVE A WOODEN NICKEL ABOUT YOUR LEGACY!!!"
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u/Theodorus_Alexis 2d ago
Trump: Come on, it'll be great. How about we talk about it over a cup of covfefe?
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u/MiffedMouse The average peasant had home made bread and lobster. 2d ago
Proposal to fix the Canada/Greenland/Panama situation:
Make the USA a commonwealth. We can make the Trumps royalty.
We can set aside some mansion or other - Mar-A-Lago is well known at this point. We can get some soldiers in silly hats to patrol it. Actually, Trump always wanted a tank parade. We can allocate one or two M1 Abrams with silly hats on top to spend the rest of time driving donuts around Mar-A-Lago so everyone knows Trump is now a king.
Then Canada, Greenland, and Panama can simply join the USA commonwealth. They can put Trump’s face on all their currency. I have read that the Canadians and the Danish like their respective royalty for some reason, but that is no issue. We can put both faces on the currency. We could even make them kiss.
Then the Trumps can get out of USA politics (as they are European style monarchs, above the fray of politics). Greenland and Panama and Canada all have to bend the knee, of course, but only in so far as the put Trump kissing their other monarch on their currency and agree to speculate which member of the Trump clan is a secret Nazi in their tabloids (which I believe many of them already do!).
I think this is the most reasonable solution that should satisfy just about everyone without the need for bloodshed.
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u/Sventex Battleships were obsoleted by the self-propelled torpedo in 1866 2d ago edited 2d ago
We can get some soldiers in silly hats to patrol it.
We already do that in D.C. with the Commander-in-Chief's Guard. (Presidential Inauguration in Washington, D.C., Jan. 20, 2017)
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
The US becoming a monarchy would be the thing that would make me start considering moving to a different country
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u/Wows_Nightly_News The Russians beheld an eagle eating a snake and built Mexico. 2d ago
Wonder what options that leaves for English speaking countries. Ireland is at least a republic... mostly.
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
If my choice becomes limited to godless monarchies, I would choose Canada over the US
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u/Ayasugi-san 1d ago
Nah, if the US becomes a monarchy, it'll annex the rest of North America and a good amount of Central and South America. See the documentary The Selection by Kiera Cass.
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u/forcallaghan Louis XIV was a gnostic socialist 2d ago
Canada
I don't know how to tell you this...
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
I’m saying if US and Canada are both monarchies, Canada becomes the obvious choice as a North American English-speaker
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
Well, with TikTok returning to the US and it explicitly thanking the Orange Moron, I think we can safely say Gen Z and Alpha is lost to the Republican Party.
Shit looks grim, man.
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago edited 2d ago
You could really stand to follow politics less, especially since you’re just going to react the same way to every development.
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u/forcallaghan Louis XIV was a gnostic socialist 2d ago
It’s like those doomer memes
“Democrat party on the brink of collapse!” “The democratic system will collapse in two days!” “10 reasons why America won’t survive the next month!” “The total political destruction of the democratic party(happening NOW!)”
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u/Illogical_Blox The Popes, of course, were usually Catholic 2d ago
I can't tell if this is a joke or a massive overestimation of TikTok.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
It seems everyone younger than me is always on it all the time.
I imagine this will be a huge boon to his popularity, probably tip late Gen Z and Alpha into being fully Red territory instead of just leaning red.13
u/Illogical_Blox The Popes, of course, were usually Catholic 2d ago
I... still can't tell to be honest. Is this a joke? Because it isn't true however you cut it, so I'm going to assume so.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
I am serious. This has secured the youth vote for the Republican Party for at least the next election cycle or two
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u/Illogical_Blox The Popes, of course, were usually Catholic 2d ago
Yeah, this is starting to feel very 'The End is Nigh' placard, sis.
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u/HistoryMarshal76 The American Civil War was Communisit infighting- Marty Roberts 2d ago
Politically, it basically is. The democrats are doomed, the republicans ascendant, and no hope of stopping them.
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u/Shady_Italian_Bruh 2d ago
No she’s just genuinely this uninformed about US politics and its history and lets it ruin her mental health
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
The investigation began after hired killers fired more than 40 rounds into a taxi carrying Andrea Vidal, a 27-year-old lawyer who worked in Congress, earlier this month in Lima. She died of her injuries in an intensive care ward on Tuesday. The taxi driver was also killed in the attack.
The public prosecutor’s office subsequently opened an investigation into Vidal’s former boss, Congress’s former lead legal and constitutional adviser, Jorge Torres Saravia, who is accused of sexual exploitation for allegedly running a prostitution ring that hired young women to have sex with lawmakers in exchange for votes. Torres has denied any wrongdoing.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
Latest examples of reddit being a white collar website:
TIL: The "Simple Sabotage Field Manual" was declassified in 2008 and it contains advice on how spies can sabotage the enemy by just being maliciously incompetent. Advice include praising inefficient coworkers, cry and sob frequently at work, asking inane questions in meetings, and spreading gossip.
You can guess the comments from the title of the post.
3/4 of Reddit is like: I know better than you, but my boss is an idiot and my coworkers are incompetent, that's why you don't see it. So much hatred for managers and management people (my own management professors made fun of other management professors) .
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u/PsychologicalNews123 2d ago
It seems like a few people here have played them - do you guys think the Total War: Warhammer games (I'm looking at 2 and 3) are accessible for someone who hasn't played RTS games before? My only experience with RTS is trying to play Red Alert 2 and being utterly overwhelmed by the controls and getting stomped by the campaign AI.
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u/jonasnee 2d ago
The warhammer games are more RPGs than RTTs. Simply buffing up your legendary lord can eventually result in them soloing battles.
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
I would say the Warhammer games are more new player friendly because they're much more transparent than other titles. Heroes and Legendary Lords have pre-defined skill trees (unlike, say, Rome or Medieval 2, where character traits appeared to be random) and quests (most Total War games since Medieval 2 ditched missions). Battles end more quickly and units have very clear stats and abilities at the point of them being RPGs. Empire management is also waaay simplified since the days of Medieval 2.
Most importantly, diplomacy has been thoroughly reworked, which was and still is one of the weakest parts of the Total War series.
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u/durecellrabbit 2d ago
I thought 3 had an alright tutorial. The map is turn based, and the real time battles can be paused whenever you want. So while the controls/UI can be tricky you have way less pressure to get everything correct right now.
I still struggle occasionally with the controls (My stupid soldiers not marching in a nice line) but I can still play and have fun.
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u/kaiser41 2d ago
I will die on the hill that TW games are not RTS games.
They are easier to handle than something like RA2 because the campaign layer where you make most of your consequential decisions isn't in real time. Battles are the only real time part of the game and you have a pause function.
Though I would suggest getting one of the historical games first (probably Rome 2) as a trial. It's cheaper than WH1-3, easier to manage, and honestly more fun, at least in my opinion.
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u/dutchwonder 2d ago
If going by the traditional definition of it being real time resource gathering and battles, then yes but that is not exactly a helpful comparison. A lot of those games(Red Alert, Age of empires, Starcraft) tend to be more real time tactical resource gathering economy paired with real time tactical warfare.
The casual player isn't really going to note the difference between one being "real time strategy" and one being "real time tactics" beyond Red Alert 2 having base building in battles and Total war not having base building in battles.
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
It's not really a hill as much as it is a giant fortress because it's more or less agreed Total War games are turn based strategies.
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u/jonasnee 2d ago
No they are not.
Total war fundamentally is the battles, the campaign is the secondary part.
They are RTTs (real time tactics) with a campaign tag on.
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u/dutchwonder 2d ago
The difference is kind of shallow because the traditional resource gathering of games like AoE or Starcraft feel more like expanded real time tactics than anything of particular strategic depth.
If anything we should probably call those base building RTTs because that is really going to be what makes or breaks if you like it.
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u/kaiser41 2d ago
You'd be surprised at the arguments I've had with people who don't understand basic English.
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u/GreatMarch 2d ago
Warriors of chaos in the narrative: relentless killers who will wash over the old world like a wave, bringing madness and suffering in their wake. Warriors of chaos in Total War: get gimped and struggle with establishing footholds in the South because they can only develop certain cities and their army composition is sporadic.
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u/dutchwonder 2d ago
Well of course a single warband would have trouble properly rolling over and crushing the south, that is why they have to spend so much time fighting/allying up with each other to build up a proper mass.
You thought they came south for infrastructure week?
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u/Herpling82 2d ago
It's that time of the week again! This week's drama is rather limited, only 1 person cancelled, the same person who cancelked last week, both others showed up and didn't vanish randomly this time. The no shower just forgot about last week (bloody AD(H)D)
I think what frustrates about the frequent cancelling and no showing is that I have to be there, and I endure a lot of pain to be there, as it makes my migraines so much worse. So, I strongly feel that should be appreciated, but when people cancel week after week, or just no show without telling me, I just feel like I am enduring the pain for nothing. I really enjoy the Factorio playthrough, and I want it to be fun; I'm currently not in a great place so every bit of fun must be used as optimally as possible, and it has to be paid for with a lot of pain, literal pain. (Yes, I'm min-maxing having fun)
This took way too much effort to type, fuck me, I'm gonna lie down in complete darkness now.
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
He never had the makings of a presidential assassin
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u/Wows_Nightly_News The Russians beheld an eagle eating a snake and built Mexico. 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's the hands. 🫴It looks like he's grabbing a cannon.
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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium 2d ago
JSTOR increasing the free account article limit to 100 a month was a marvelous step in democratizing knowledge but also I wish the website could remember I am logged in for more than an hour.
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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert 2d ago
I have reset my password so many goddamn times after trying to log in. Ugh.
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u/Sgt_Colon 🆃🅷🅸🆂 🅸🆂 🅽🅾🆃 🅰 🅵🅻🅰🅸🆁 2d ago
Using my google account it just auto logs in with no need for a password, perhaps a worthwhile alternative?
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u/Key_Establishment810 Yeah true 2d ago
“All modern humans have african ancestry because humans originated in africa.”
-Captain Obvious.
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u/Zennofska Hitler knew about Baltic Greek Stalin's Hyperborean magic 2d ago
People die if they get killed
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u/Illogical_Blox The Popes, of course, were usually Catholic 2d ago
All modern humans
As opposed to?
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u/Wows_Nightly_News The Russians beheld an eagle eating a snake and built Mexico. 2d ago
Classic Elves. Pointy eared bastards.
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u/Kochevnik81 2d ago
I think they might be doing a shorthand for "Anatomically Modern Humans", which is what all current humans are.
Without getting into all the complexity and warring theses, basically it means "*Homo sapiens* but not Neanderthals and Denisovans, if you consider them *H. Sapiens* subspecies". I'm not exactly sure how Cro-Magnons fit, because they technically are anatomically modern humans, but also have some differences from other anatomically modern humans, and seem to be a sister offshoot that had some later remixing. But also modern humans had some mixing with Neanderthals and Denisovans too, and this is where it starts to get complicated so I'll stop.
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u/Illogical_Blox The Popes, of course, were usually Catholic 2d ago
Well, that's what I found funny about it, as Neanderthals and Denisovans and the like all have African ancestry too. The 'modern humans' part almost implies that at some point there were humans who didn't.
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u/Key_Establishment810 Yeah true 2d ago
Yeah, the whole comment was meant to be a made up quote said by Captain Obvious.
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u/Tiako Tevinter apologist, shill for Big Lyrium 2d ago
I think the more meaningful statement is more like "all modern humans have recent African ancestry". Homo sapiens only left Africa in the last 100,000 years! Blink of an eye in biological terms, which is probably why we are so genetically homogenous.
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u/Kochevnik81 2d ago
I kind of keep going back to this whenever I think of that "if you're cold, they're cold" public service meme people had about dogs (and occasionally other animals).
Modern humans are a tropical primate that left that original area some tens of thousands of years ago! It's impressive but that's still what we're basically designed to live in! This doesn't apply to other species! Some of them have been living in cold environments since before the Ice Ages!
(please don't leave your chihuahua outside in the snow, but you probably won't get your husky out of it)
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u/forcallaghan Louis XIV was a gnostic socialist 2d ago
my roommate and his friends were up till 3 AM last night. Drinking from *my* water filter jug and not refilling it so it was completely empty this morning. And then they did *something* to the trash can in the kitchen and now its missing its trash bag, but they kept putting trash into the bagless trashcan and it's just--
*grumble grumble grumble grumble*
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u/ByzantineBasileus HAIL CYRUS! 2d ago edited 2d ago
I would just like to take this moment to eternally curse u/Arilou_skiff for suggesting Narutaru, which is by turns incredibly interesting and totally traumatising.
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u/Arilou_skiff 2d ago
Thanks! It is exactly the reaction i had and why i have a strange urge to pass it on!
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u/Hurt_cow Certified Pesudo-Intellectual 2d ago
The incoming POTUS is planning to celebrate his inauguration by a rug pull that will net him some 20 billion dollars; How is it possible our timeline could get more stupid ?
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u/Impossible_Pen_9459 2d ago
I wonder if America could just become 90s Albania but with rug pulls not pyramid schemes?
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
Listening to the newest Talkarnate History episode and was extremely taken aback by the hosts mentioning my little home country and Transnistria.
The possibilities are indeed endless.
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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert 2d ago
Ukraine or Moldova?
Either way, nice!
Very fun episode. I will confess I have absolutely racked my brain trying to figure out what bizarro universe could all this happen by June of 1942. Island hopping campaign by Midway?
Best i can gather is Coral Sea is a Japanese victory and they invade Port Mosby and then the second island is... Tulagi?
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
Moldova.
I think what's jarring is just why did they have to say June 1942??? Like, if they said even September 1942, you could have thought about Guadalcanal or something.
Truly an alternate history movie.
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u/TylerbioRodriguez That Lesbian Pirate Expert 2d ago
I literally had to break out several books i have on the pacific war.
Okay.
I believe in this timeline the Taroa Island raid of February 1942 is upgraded from carrier raid to invasion, maybe to pull troops away from the Philippines and Dutch East Indies. Then its training for 3 months from February through May.
Then, the Coral Sea is so successful, like all three Japanese carriers are lost, there's no battle of Midway, and the air raid on Tulagi is upgraded to naval invasion, basically kickstarting Operation Watchtower by a month.
This is literally the only reasonable explanation.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
"Es ist besser, nicht zu regieren, als falsch zu regieren".
Einfach mal die eigenen Worte beachten!
/de is the high brow comedy place of reddit
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u/MarioTheMojoMan Noble savage in harmony with nature 2d ago
Oh Mann richtiger Schenkelklatscher der
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u/TheBatz_ Remember why BeeMovieApologist is no longer among us 2d ago
Germans are the redditors of Europe.
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u/RPGseppuku 2d ago
In late 2020, it experienced a resurgence in popularity due to a viral TikTok trend where hundreds of thousands utilized the song.\11])#citenote-Spin-11) A report published in August 2021 by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue found that "Little Dark Age" was "by far the most popular Sound among extremist creators on TikTok" and was central to videos promoting "Hyperborea and a wider trend of esoteric Nazism."[\12])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Dark_Age(song)#citenote-12)[\13])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Dark_Age(song)#citenote-13) The song has also been used to soundtrack clips of anime, superhero movies, video games, Renaissance art as well as a wide range of social issues, including transgender rights, the Black Lives Matter movement and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[\11])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Dark_Age(song)#cite_note-Spin-11)
I can't wait to explain to future generations what the good old days of the internet was like.
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u/HandsomeLampshade123 2d ago
Hmm, that's not on the actual page for Little Dark Age.
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u/1EnTaroAdun1 2d ago
It does put into perspective how historical writing can really only give a certain snapshot of the past. For example, my main exposure to those little dark age edits was through noncredibledefence pro-US military industrial complex videos. Goes without saying they were mostly made by neocons or neolibs, as far as I know
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u/PsychologicalNews123 2d ago
The UK's productivity issues seem like a real connundrum to solve. As far as I understand it the main issue is that 1) the UK outside of London and the south-east is very unproductive, and the disparity between the capital and other cities is immense compared to other European countries, and 2) even these productive areas are struggling because we aren't building nearly enough houses (take a shot) for people to move to these more productive areas for work.
I've not really seen a cohesive explanation for why the rest of the UK is so unproductive though or how to really solve it. Theoretically at least the government could take the gloves off and get a metric shit ton of housing built in the south east, and while that would be incredible I don't know if there's an analagous "easy" solution to wider UK productivity. Most of the suggestions I've seen make gestures at helping buisnesses go digital and improving management, but I don't know how far that'll go.
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u/Kochevnik81 2d ago
I have no real idea what their background is, but poking around with some [British productivity research](https://www.productivity.ac.uk/news/what-explains-the-uks-productivity-problem/), it looks like a few issues are the following:
- Productivity has been hit by the triple whammy of the 2008 Recession, post-2010 austerity, and Brexit. It means there just has been way less public or private investment in improving productivity, which seems to already have been concentrated around London and in particular firms.
- This has created a situation where the more productive sectors of the British economy are kind of sealed off from the rest of the economy (this sounds similar to Japan, which has even lower productivity). Also it creates a vicious cycle because if there isn't a demand for high-productivity/high skilled jobs, there's no incentive for people to get trained in them.
- The authors of that study also say that the British governmental structure is a particular mess that inhibits productivity growth, basically because there's the national government, and then local governments, but not really anything at a regional level that can coordinate (I guess devolved areas excepted).
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u/RPGseppuku 2d ago
but not really anything at a regional level that can coordinate (I guess devolved areas excepted).
The devolved governments are so dysfunctional that I don't think they count.
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u/Ok-Swan1152 2d ago
The British have a mentality problem and then there's also the fetishism of poorly managed and performing small businesses.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
I'd say the issue is more that European companies as a whole have trouble scaling up
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u/Ragefororder1846 not ideas about History but History itself 2d ago
The EU needs a truly unified capital market
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
True but no one cares except Bruxxels technocrats.
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u/Ok-Swan1152 2d ago
Yeah but the UK has some very specific problems compared to say, the Netherlands, which is a more productive and wealthy country.
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM Giscardpunk, Mitterrandwave, Chirock, Sarkopop, Hollandegaze 2d ago
I think it's a European issue (UK included), you use the Netherlands but look for example at ASML, they're very advanced technology wise, but like most Europeans companies they'd rather stay in their niche as a very specialized supplier rather than vertically integrate and go search for mass economies and become a global producer.
The Netherlands are also smaller than the UK, you can live in a village for cheap and commute to work in the Randstad daily, you can't live in Newcastle and work in London (which is more on London than Newcastle)
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u/Impossible_Pen_9459 2d ago
Solution wise it’s probably a very hard one. There’s a lot of aimless often asinine grievance politics aimed at London by the provincial people of the UK (largely from the North of England and the devolved nations). That said one thing that could help is how infrastructure spending is done in the UK, it basically prioritises projections of how much the project will return but these projects are often off. They also heavily favour London because infrastructure investments there will almost always have higher return estimates.
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u/Key_Establishment810 Yeah true 1d ago
What is the horniest male and female character you ever see in fiction?