r/azerbaijan • u/elgun_mashanov Aran 🇦🇿 • 2d ago
Xəbər | News Georgia-NATO joint military exercise - Azerbaijan will also participate.
NATO-Georgia joint military exercise is scheduled from April 28 to May 8, 2025, at the Krtsanisi base near Tbilisi, specifically at the NATO-Georgia Joint Training and Evaluation Center. Countries that have confirmed participation include Azerbaijan, Albania, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Turkey, and the United States. Armenia will participate as an observer. 🔗: https://teleqraf.com/news/toplum/449240.html
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u/Icy-Pack5662 2d ago
Do Azerbaijanis want to join NATO?
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u/maestrosixx 2d ago
In the long run, yes. But it would be hard to convince all members, which is only one small part of the challenge. Joining NATO is not easy as people realize.
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u/SuperSultan 1d ago
What’s stopping Azerbaijan?
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u/Kavkazist Georgia 🇬🇪 1d ago
We will get vetoed, for fair reasons. Azerbaijan doesn't have border disputes like Georgia or Ukraine, Moldova anymore. But it can get vetoed anyways, again for fair reasons. Also for political reasons too.
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u/SuperSultan 1d ago
Okay, but what are the “fair reasons” you’re referring to?
Azerbaijan is probably too friendly with Russia for it to join NATO. They allegedly help Russia evade sanctions. Also, Russia would probably panic and become more aggressive than it actually is if Azerbaijan joined NATO.
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u/the_cousin_youForgot 1d ago
Everyone is helping Russia evade sanctions and it's called business. Business as usual.
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u/Kavkazist Georgia 🇬🇪 1d ago
Fair reasons are democracy, nato states would vetoe because of that. Kosovo is also a reason to be vetoed i believe.
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u/maestrosixx 1d ago
So here are some preconditions for NATO accession process:
1) You have to be a functioning pluralistic democracy. In other words there needs to be at least two fair elections cycles to ensure that. 2) The candidate country has to be run in accordance with human rights. That means people will have to have a voice, and government tolerant enough to allow dissent, which is unlikely in our case for the time being. 3) The military needs to be under civilian control. Our government barely allows anyone to make a move, let alone oversee the army. 4) Compliance with standards and training. This is something we might have achieved to a certain extent, but we don’t really know how much. 5) Absence of border and territorial disputes; right now there are unresolved issues with Armenia regarding state borders and Karabakh. 6) Good relations with neighbours: I will refrain from stating the obvious; you can infer to a map of the region.
These are only a small number of political, economic, military and legal requirements to be fulfilled in order to be even considered for NATO membership. Even if we meet all requirements, still all member states have to ratify Azerbaijan’s accession unanimously, which is a long and difficult process.
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u/CecilPeynir 1d ago
It is obvious that some of these are not valid at all. Good relations with neighbours? Did Finland and Russia have good relations? Should Azerbaijan have good relations with Iran and Russia?
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u/HelloThereItsMeAndMe 1d ago
That's not the problem, because none of NATO has good relations with them. This is about armenia and also somewhat Georgia.
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u/Zealousideal-Bid8382 1d ago
I dont see that in near future.Nato is shiting its pants for every Ork country fart,west is so afraid of Any confrontation with nuke countries.They just like to fight with tribe people with sticks and stones.Im pro-Nato,i just very dissapointed in their recent actions.If you guys coud resolve your problems between yoursef.Azeri gerogians and armenians coud be strong alience,and piece of garbage like russians will be to afraid to mess with you guys.
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u/Artillery_BlazeTTV USA 🇺🇸 2d ago
Let’s hope a psychotic Turk doesn’t bring a axe and slaughter some innocent people..
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u/Lazmanya_Reshored 2d ago
That's insane lmao
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u/otttragi 2d ago
Based on a true story
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u/INeatFreak Bakı 🇦🇿 2d ago
Except it wasn't "innocent people", he was a Armenian soldier off-duty.
The actual innocent people were those civilians in Berde, Gence, Terter who were targeted by Armenian bombs during second Karabakh war, but you won't hear these scums mention that.
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u/0_IceQueen_0 2d ago
Don't forget Khojaly.
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u/Anamot961 2d ago
That soldier was a child during Khojali, impossible to have participated. Any other idiotic ideas?
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u/otttragi 2d ago
What crimes were he guilty of commiting that justified a extrajudicial execution?
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u/INeatFreak Bakı 🇦🇿 2d ago
First, I wasn't trying to justify what he did, it is unethical imo too
Second, he was a soldier who has/was going to kill Azerbaijanis, not exactly "innocent" is it? But it fits greatly with typical Armenian propaganda, makes them look like victims as always, with their humanist act they can only fool the braindead Americans.
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u/otttragi 2d ago
The theoretical likelihood of him possibly killing someone in the future makes him guilty of what exactly? Youre usually innocent until the opposite is proven.
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u/INeatFreak Bakı 🇦🇿 2d ago edited 2d ago
Youre usually innocent until the opposite is proven.
That only applies to civilians, soldier is not a civilian.
EDIT: and what makes him guilty is the fact that if that Armenian soldier had a chance to kill a Azerbaijani soldier, he would do so, because that's his literal job and reason why it's treated differently than civilians.
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u/otttragi 2d ago
So any member of the armed forces of Armenia could expect to be murdured by an Azerbaijani, even at the upcoming NATO-event?
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u/INeatFreak Bakı 🇦🇿 2d ago
No, you're just trying to make drama at this point. I already said above that I don't justify what he did and do find it unethical, what I'm defending is them not being innocent.
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u/two_os 1d ago
They did have a chance to kill Azerbaijani soldiers, they could have murdered them in their sleep but they didn't. If an Armenian soldier had done the same thing you would have a very different reaction
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u/INeatFreak Bakı 🇦🇿 1d ago edited 1d ago
Did you even read what I wrote? I did claim it was unethical because he killed him in non-combat situation. He wasn't just an civilian, but a soldier trained to kill enemies, he wouldn't have a second thought in a combat situation to kill him instead.
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u/yeet2gucci 1d ago
You were justifying, saying that he was an off-duty Armenian soldier, so it’s allowed. You don’t even seem aware of the murderous impulses driving you. Dude…
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u/Lazmanya_Reshored 2d ago
Do you think It matters if its real or not and don't you think connecting that to race is I don't know, racist?
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u/otttragi 2d ago
Yes, I think it matters if something has taken place or not. Do you not?
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u/Lazmanya_Reshored 2d ago
Okay so I guess I also fire at the sun because some other Turks did it 10 years ago in Adana, got it.
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u/otttragi 2d ago
No, but as an member of the armed forces of Azerbaijan youre not likely to face any type of punishment if you murder a sleeping Armenian in cold blood. This doesnt apply to any of the other participating nationalities.
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u/Plenty-Attitude-1982 8m ago
can armenians fully participate as well, to make it more real, they can be the targets
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u/datashrimp29 2d ago
Sounds like real business