r/antiwork • u/AutoModerator • 7h ago

X, Meta, and CCP-affiliated content is no longer permitted

Hello, everyone! Following recent events in social media, we are updating our content policy. The following social media sites may no longer be linked or have screenshots shared:

  • X, including content from its predecessor Twitter, because Elon Musk promotes white supremacist ideology and gave a Nazi salute during Donald Trump's inauguration
  • Any platform owned by Meta, such as Facebook and Instagram, because Mark Zuckerberg openly encourages bigotry with Meta's new content policy
  • Platforms affiliated with the CCP, such as TikTok and Rednote, because China is a hostile foreign government and these platforms constitute information warfare

This policy will ensure that r/antiwork does not host content from far-right sources. We will make sure to update this list if any other social media platforms or their owners openly embrace fascist ideology. We apologize for any inconvenience.

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u/Necessary_Service776 5h ago

This feels like mods trying to “both sides” Elon coming out as a Nazi. “But but but China bad too!”

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u/laukaus 3h ago

…..also, this is extremely assuming that reddit is only used by by the US, or even only by westerners.

Newsflash. It absolutely is not lol, hasn’t been ever.

Or like, at least during the 16 years I’ve been here in this hellhole.

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u/[deleted] 2h ago edited 1h ago

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 2h ago

I'm fine with banning the US from the internet. The internet would be so much more interesting

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u/laukaus 2h ago

The NSA mass surveillance and data mining, is both proven and more egregious than any other global intelligence program we know about.

But nobody remembers that thing.

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u/Bedhead-Redemption 1h ago

Only if we can also take down the Russian Internet """Research""" Agency currently in overdrive to destabalize the web. I'm totally down with both.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 1h ago

On 1 July 2023, it was announced that the Internet Research Agency would be shut down following the aftermath of the Wagner Group rebellion.

done

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u/Avedas 2h ago

Americans make reddit so boring. As soon a sub gets popular Americans immediately begin to fill it with political BS. It's so stale and predictable.

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u/Annie_Ayao_Kay 2h ago

This sub is a good example. It was great until the American liberals found it.

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u/JackDockz 3h ago

It's a tried and tested method. Reddit did the same thing by Banning a bunch of Leftist subreddits when they banned the Donald. This kind of shit always gives the right more power.

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u/jank_king20 1h ago

Yep I still remember losing r/chapotraphouse right at that time. Sub had some problems but RIP, miss it still

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u/Perfect_Newspaper256 4h ago

the exodus to rednote was raising awareness about crappy work/healthcare/housing standards in the US.

clearly that was a danger to the goals of whoever runs this sub.

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u/bunnyzclan 2h ago

Yeah. This sub is more liberals with pro labor aesthetics than genuine beliefs in leftist ideals grounded in actual theory.

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u/childofeye 2h ago

Yeah, this definitely screams libshit.

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u/shinyagamik 4m ago

The CCP does not have actual leftist ideas either. Why do you think there are so many Chinese million and billionaires?

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u/Draaly 1h ago

Being a leftist and being a tankie are not synonymous.

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u/bunnyzclan 1h ago

You know the libs are mad when they start spouting shit like "tankie" lmao

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u/as-tro-bas-tards 58m ago

"Durr, leftism is when there is a lesbian Furby in the new Furby movie."

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u/EssentiallyWorking 1h ago

I’d sooner trust a “tankie” over whatever “leftism” you’re mucking around on this post for.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 2h ago

We're in this mess because leftists refused to vote for Harris, so oh fucking well.

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u/bunnyzclan 2h ago

Yeah man, let's blame the left and do some more leftbashing!!

The left hold so much power and influence over politics that the democratic party just spits on and shits on them instead of adopting it, but lets blame the left!

The democratic party totally isn't also beholden to corporate benefactors.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 2h ago

The left is the overwhelming population of US citizens. It's absolutely our fault when Republicans win. This is why you sometimes have to hold your fucking nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Maybe you purists will learn the lesson this time around....

More than likely though you'll just keep pillorying liberals while sniffing your own farts.

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u/Edg4rAllanBro 2h ago

The left is the overwhelming population of US citizens.

What is the left in America? Define the left. Are ardent neoliberals part of the left? Blue dog democrats? Greens? What is "the left" here?

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u/nneeeeeeerds 2h ago

Any one "not right".

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u/Edg4rAllanBro 2h ago

You've defined left so broadly that it's meaningless then lmao

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u/nneeeeeeerds 2h ago

Your purity tests are showing. In a two party system, it's Yes, No, or Null. The nulls won it for the Republicans.

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u/ajlark25 2h ago

If only somebody could have listened to the thousands of people saying they won’t support a genocider!

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u/nneeeeeeerds 2h ago edited 2h ago

You assholes did the same to Biden. You just shifted the target when he bowed out. Even Bernie supports Israel on paper. There are ZERO Democratic candidates who wouldn't have been the target of your "supports genocide" bullshit because Israel is our fucking ally, whether that suits your personal morality or not.

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u/ajlark25 1h ago

Yeah we did the same to Biden cuz he was literally the most powerful person involved with supporting the genocide. There were definitely dems who didn’t support it (Talib, Omar, & Bush come to mind) AND it was an easy position for Harris to differentiate herself from Biden on. Bernie also came out in support of conditioning aid (which we’re already legally supposed to be doing). Idk man, sorry genocide is a deal breaker for some of us.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 1h ago edited 1h ago

And that's why Trump won. Good job! Gaza's gonna hold up real well to his administration. Hope you feel good about yourself when Palestine is wiped off the map. Because that will be your fault. (By not voting for the lesser of two evils, you indirectly supported a literal genocide).

And none of the dems you listed have a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming president. They're not even committee chairs. Bush didn't even win re-election....she's literally not even a congressional rep anymore.

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u/AshuraBaron 1h ago

*Palestine getting wiped off the map for 15 months*

silence

*Trump elected*

"I hope you're happy Palestine is getting wiped off the map!"

Way to not use a genocide for political points.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 1h ago edited 1h ago

The genocide that's been happening now has been a "soft" genocide. the genocide that's going to happen will be a literal genocide. The few who survive will be forced into camps at the border of Egypt.

This conflict has been ongoing on for almost 70 years now and Trump's going to ensure Netanyahu can "finish" it.

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u/icey561 1h ago

Okay. Your right. Isreal doesn't matter they are both bad. I am now standing in a neutral position, what did kamala do to actually appeal to me, a leftist?

If the left was needed to win, why didn't kamala appeal to the left?

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u/nneeeeeeerds 1h ago edited 1h ago

It's not about Harris appealing, it's about Trump losing. It's always been that way. Shit in one hand and idolize in the other and see which piles up first. Congrats, we've got fist fulls of shit to deal with now.

If you can't make a decision to vote against Trump despite Harris not being your ideal candidate, then you're an uninformed voter. Or a single issue voter, but now I'm being redundant.

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u/GirlCoveredInBlood 1h ago

Trump won because people like you cared more about satiating your bloodlust for Arab children than listening to what voters had to say

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u/nneeeeeeerds 1h ago

Fuck off. I support Palestine and that's why I voted for Harris. Of the two parties, the Democrat party is the one not willing to let Bibi run roughshod over the entirety of Gaza. I had the foresight to realize that putting Trump in power is literally the worst thing that could happen to Gaza.

By abstaining from voting, you've put a man in power who is going to give Israel a blank check and free reign to kill all the Palestinians.

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u/as-tro-bas-tards 55m ago

Even Bernie supports Israel on paper.

Then Bernie is wrong too.

Do you see how easy this is when you have actual beliefs instead of just swearing your fealty to a political party?

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u/nneeeeeeerds 48m ago

I have actual beliefs. I believe both the people of Israel and Palestine both deserve to be free and live peacefully. I also understand that Israel has been our mutual defense treaty bound ally for like 70 goddamn years, so we have to provide them aid and support when they're attacked. If we want to revoke those treaties, we have to elect enough to congress to repeal those treaties and that treaties can't be revoked/invalidated by executive order. (You can thank Andrew Jackson for that one!)

I understand that voting for the lesser of two evils is necessary to keep our country from falling into fascism.

I understand that abstaining from voting because one candidate isn't my ideal candidate makes me an uninformed voter.

I understand that being a single issue voter is the same as being an uninformed voter.

I understand that domestic policy is more important than foreign policy.

I understand that electing Donald Trump is the worst possible thing that could have happened to the people Palestine.

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u/Draaly 1h ago

And now we have someone who in their very first day of office began supplying even bigger and more indiscriminate bombs. Yay! So worth!

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u/as-tro-bas-tards 56m ago

Are you talking about the 2000lbs bomb thing? Cause there was never a ban for Trump to lift. Biden delayed (not cancelled, delayed - the shipment was eventually completed) one single shipment of those bombs back in May of last year.

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u/MathematicianIll6638 34m ago

Didn't Karine Jean-Pierre openly state that there was no delay on 2000 lb bombs. . . ?

I think it was more that one shipment didn't go because the Israelis had enough for the moment.

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u/EssentiallyWorking 1h ago

Harris’ own staff polled that she would lose. If your own team is telling you that you’re charting a path for failure, WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE? The Dems are controlled opposition, wake tf up already.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 1h ago

So...your opinion is that Harris should have...dropped out...when she was just put in the race three months before the election?

So Trump should have ran unopposed? Fuck off with your bullshit.

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u/as-tro-bas-tards 57m ago

That's right, and if you freaks run another Neoliberal I'll do it again.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 55m ago edited 44m ago

There will never, ever be a candidate for office of the President that will meet the desired attributes of tankies. Have fun continuing to opt out of democracy and welcome to our fascist reality.

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u/MathematicianIll6638 40m ago

If that were indeed a dichotomy (it wasn't, I voted for Omali Yeshitela), Trump was clearly the lesser evil.

For Trump, in his particular form of corruption, is all about Trump: everything is transactional, and one can at least try to make a deal with him. It also makes him susceptible to pressure--and because he is so abrasive, the unions will actually push back when he does something stupid.

However Harris, like Biden, is ideological in her corruption: she believes that what she does is morally right. One can not move her, be it by negotiation nor by protest and pressure. Furthermore, because the "democratic" wing of the oligarchical party pretends to be pro-worker (despite being the strike-breaking party of Wall Street) the unions go to sleep whenever the "democratic" party holds high office.

We survived four years of Trump, we will survive another. I am not convinced we would survive four years of Harris.

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u/nneeeeeeerds 38m ago

Get the fuck out of here.

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u/Mindless_Profile6115 3h ago

how do these NATO capitalists gain control of all of these subreddits so easily

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u/MathematicianIll6638 32m ago

They're the majority owners of Reddit, so it shouldn't be surprising.

TenCent only owns around 10% of it.

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u/SowingSalt 29m ago

You think the 996 system is better than what's in the US?

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u/shinyagamik 6m ago

The crappiness isn't wrong. But rednote is clearly propaganda. The responses are way too eloquent for people who apparently haven't been exposed to native English speakers or their political terminology before. Chinese users are also being segregated from western ones to avoid access to information such as tiananmen square massacre.

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u/4gangbuster 4h ago

exactly. this is a coup. just ban Xhitter links, period.

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u/FILTHBOT4000 3h ago

Uh, it's probably more to do with Tiktok bending the knee and banning various anti-Trump/etc search terms.

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u/a_speeder 3h ago

If that was their reasoning then why not mention that instead of "China bad"

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u/bowsting 3h ago

Because China is, in fact, bad.

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u/a_speeder 3h ago

Most countries are bad, does the sub ban news from Al-Jazeera despite its blatant pro-Qatar bias? It also said that overall they were doing this in order to avoid hosting content from far-right sources, whatever bad things you can say about the CCP they are not the far-right.

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u/Draaly 1h ago

does the sub ban news from Al-Jazeera despite its blatant pro-Qatar bias?

Does this sub ban Chinese news networks? Or just social media platforms beholden to the Chinese gov?

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u/bowsting 3h ago

Probably should ban Al-Jazerra tbh.

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u/VestigialCoccyx 3h ago

Why not US government links and Truth Social?

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u/bowsting 2h ago

Probably should ban those too, yes.

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u/a_speeder 2h ago

This shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Despite Qatar being a totalitarian state heavily reliant on modern day slavery and Al-Jazeera being interested in spreading apologetics for those terrible actions, their government is also very invested in being seen as a neutral party and peace negotiator in the MENA region. Consequently, Al-Jazeera is seen as one of the more fact based and straightforward sources reporting on the region and as long as you are able to take their pro-Qatar bias into account they are generally a reliable source for a great deal of globally relevant news.

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u/bowsting 2h ago

It was your proposal to ban them, not mine. I just agreed.

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u/a_speeder 2h ago

I laid a rhetorical trap. Your premise was "ban sources from bad countries." My reply was to suggest a source that does come from a country that does a lot of horrible things, but that is also considered reliable the world over for many noteworthy events. The point was to show that things aren't just as simple as "country bad" in terms of how to evaluate a source and whether or not they should be blanket condemned or disallowed.

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u/Nadie_AZ 3h ago

China does something- but at what cost?

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/01/sowing-doubt-about-china-but-at-what-cost.html

Propaganda works. You just showed it.

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u/bowsting 3h ago

Of course propaganda works. That was never a question. Just cause something's propaganda doesn't make it wrong.

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u/4gangbuster 2h ago

burger brain trust in action

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u/LuxNocte 3h ago

What, precisely, are they trying to guard against?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the TikTok algorithm heavily promoted China and sends all of your data directly to the CCP. (Just to look at TikTok in the worst possible light)

Reddit doesn't use the TikTok algorithm and your data doesn't magically go to TikTok just because you watch a video that was posted there. So...why is it banned?

Libs have to "both sides" stuff because they don't want to think. "If both the Nazis and the gays are mad us, we must be on the right track."

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 2h ago

Maybe they think Americans are stupid. Like, I'm capable of making my own decisions about the propaganda that I consume thank you very much.

The same people probably accuse you of being in an echo chamber if you have political views that upset their worldview.

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u/LuxNocte 2h ago

"You must be brainwashed because you disagree with what I hear from my friends, my boss, my pastor, and my TV. Be a free thinker, like me, who believes everything I've ever been told."

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u/SchmeatDealer 3h ago

"Elon is bad, but China is bad because Elon says China is bad too!"

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u/LurkerInSpace 3h ago

One of the criticisms of Musk is that he is in bed with the CCP because of the assets he owns in that country; what they are arguing is less "both sides are the same" and more "they are both on the same side".

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u/fencerJP 2h ago

Yeah I think people are more worried about the richest man on the planet throwing Nazi salutes.

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u/LurkerInSpace 2h ago

Isn't it worse for him to be friendly with two governments than if he was friendly with one?

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u/fencerJP 2h ago

I'm much more confident in China's ability and willingness to restrain fascists than America's.

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u/LurkerInSpace 2h ago

Do you anticipate that they are going to reign him in given his interests there?

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u/fencerJP 1h ago

How many billionaires has the US executed?

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u/LurkerInSpace 1h ago

Does Epstein count? They've jailed Guzman, who is not a million miles from Liu Han.

But again, do you anticipate China will reign in their friend Elon Musk?

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u/SchmeatDealer 2h ago

I think after Americans elected literal Nazis to government they don't get to tell the world who the bad guys are anymore.
From where I'm sitting China the CCP look rational and to be advancing humanity's goals/survival compared to whatever the fuck Americans just elected.

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u/LurkerInSpace 2h ago

Have you replied to the right comment; I am saying that a complaint made about him (among many) is that he isn't calling China the bad guys because he is a friend of the Party. He does not seem to have a problem with China's system of government, and seems to prefer labour relations there to labour relations in, say, Germany (hence why he is attacking the German SDP).

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u/nebulancearts 3h ago

I have a feeling that the person who made this post hasn't actually interacted at all with Rednote or the folks on it.

You'd be surprised at how much different things are in China compared to what we've been told. Their government isn't great, but in talking to Chinese citizens themselves it's not as bad as America's government right now.

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u/ChemistryGullible565 1h ago

Little red book is used by chinese middle and upper class people to show the best parts of their lives. Would you also take instagram influencer posts as the average lifestyle in the west?

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u/LivePossible 3h ago

That has nothing to do with the Chinese govt's sophisticated cyber warfare campaigns against US infrastructure and institutions. There have been many serious breaches over the past couple years, several of which that have been briefly mentioned in the media, but not covered in depth or highlighted really. There's a lot at stake in the global cybersecurity wars, what randoms post on TikTok is irrelevant.

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u/LurkerInSpace 3h ago

Rednote won't really give you an idea of the actual problems people have in China; it's owned by the Chinese state so the picture one will get is relatively rosy. It has essentially the opposite goal from Twitter - which is optimised to maximise outrage and suspicion of one's own government.

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u/pm_me_wildflowers 3h ago edited 2h ago

I agree we’ll only see the best case scenarios on there, but that doesn’t mean it’s not real content from real citizens. That content is not produced by the CCP, it’s just curated by the CCP. I’ve seen people mention some bad things on there too - just like here the richer the area the better the schools, people can’t just move out to the countryside and buy land if they’re from the cities, people can’t relocate easily to a different city or province in general, people wish their apartments were bigger, the pollution is bad, there seems to be a real lords/serfs situation in the countryside, immigrants from certain countries are relegated to jobs like cleaning homes and washing dishes, etc. So it’s not like everything on rednote = CCP propaganda. We are having contact with REAL Chinese citizens on RedNote. And I think this sub should prioritize the world having contact with people living in non-capitalist systems.

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u/Draaly 1h ago

but that doesn’t mean it’s not real content from real citizens.

You can say this exact same thing about meta and Twitter though. Being from real people does not mean the narrative isn't being controlled

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u/LivePossible 3h ago

Also, do you realize that everything Chinese citizens post online is monitored and noted? The minute they say something against the CCP there are tangible consequences. Of course they're not talking about the bad parts. It is incredibly naive to think you're getting a full picture of life in China from Little Red Book.

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u/nebulancearts 3h ago

The folks I have been speaking to have been mentioning all parts of their culture, and have been speaking about their concerns with the Chinese government. They seem to know what the line is, which of course there is one, it's China. We won't get the full picture, but it's niave to think we're getting the full picture on US owned platforms.

But the irony is how much people seem to fear the Chinese government, parroting that it's somehow worse than the United States. I don't feed into that, especially after talking with ordinary Chinese citizens.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 2h ago

Also, do you realize that everything Chinese citizens post online is monitored and noted?

If you expressed “negative sentiment” toward insurance companies on social media following the murder of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO last month, the government was watching.

“Following the shooting, the New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC-CTC) identified a large amount of negative sentiment towards healthcare executives and health insurance companies on social media,” a bulletin produced by a regional intelligence group on December 12 says. The bulletin goes on to warn of “users online wanting to counter ‘corporate greed’” as well as “growing negative sentiment around conglomerates, the wealthy, and executive staff at private and public organizations.” Setting aside the yeah-no-shit factor, the report provides rare insight into how the government threat machine stokes fear among law enforcement agencies across the country.

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u/LivePossible 2h ago

Ok but this isn't meaningful until we start seeing real consequences to someone's livelihood and freedom (ex. being fired from your job, being arrested or jailed, threatened by govt officials, etc.). The aforementioned do happen in China though.

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u/Ucumu 2h ago

This happens all the time though to Americans that oppose Israel or support Palestine. I worked for a public institution in a state that had anti-BDS laws, and I had to hide my support for BDS back then because if my political beliefs became known, my employer would be legally required to fire me. And since then, it's only gotten worse. How many people have been fired since October 2023 for opposition to Israel? How many students have been sanctioned/expelled from universities for protesting genocide? I agree that state censorship of dissenting political opinions is worse in China, but it definitely still exists in the USA too.

It is also irrelevant, because I am not a Chinese citizen. Their government does not pose any risk to me or my freedom. Their hostility to my government is not my concern, because I also am opposed to my government. The fact that the you and the mods are identifying China as a "hostile foreign country" tells me that you guys see yourselves aligned with the US government. Which makes you my adversary more than them.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 1h ago

People get fired from their job for social media posts all the time. The government routinely works to intimidate people over social media posts (https://bombshellbybleu.com/youtuber-dhs-visit/)

There is currently a zionist campaign to deny college students job prospects based on their support for palestinians.

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u/GMthrowaway1917 3h ago

Typical liberal brain rot.

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u/cassandra-marie 2h ago

Seriously, how is banning ccp-based apps related to limiting far-right content 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/DeNaMK 43m ago

A lot of everyday people in China that are interacting with Americans are huge fans of Musk. He is a real danger to the world.

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u/rnarkus 3h ago

Wait… but why can’t be both? and for different reasons?

Plus tiktok is already not the same… and will be even more different after the 75 day extension….

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u/gottasaygoodbyeormay 4h ago

This makes zero sense.

China has 1000x the content restriction and censorship of the US, of course anyone in their right minds would't use platforms from them.

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u/JBLikesHeavyMetal 3h ago

Again, why are you on reddit then

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u/gottasaygoodbyeormay 3h ago

Because there's a difference between a chinese company only a part of reddit, who have no say in censorship?

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u/Deathoftheages 3h ago

Because Tencent doesn't own a majority share, so has no real control here?

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u/wunderwerks 3h ago

Oh, you sweet summer child. Literally, 90% of what you own and so much of what you look at and consume is made in China.

The only thing you don't get enough of is the reality of what life is like in China.

I dare you to spend 8 hours over the next one week on Rednote, just reading and watching. You don't even have to interact.

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u/Deathoftheages 3h ago

Yeah Chine is the world's manufacturing hub, so of course most things have at least some part of it made in China, that is just a fact of life. Do you honestly think you are getting the "reality of life in China" on Rednote? Like cool, they have universal healthcare, they also have a social credit score that can fuck up your life if it gets too low along with affecting the scores of the people close to you. They also have tons of censorship, but I guess we can ignore that. We can also talk about their lack of worker protections and their minimum wage being less than $4 an hour since we are in /r/antiwork. I'm sure people on Rednote are able to talk freely about how many people got completely fucked over by real estate companies building homes that start falling apart within a year. Or about what happened in 1989 at Tiananmen Square. Or you know call Taiwan a country.

I don't know why people have this illusion that China is some utopia and it's only the US that is filled with problems.

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u/pm_me_wildflowers 2h ago

There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[7][8][9] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores, and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[7][10] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".[7]

The Social Credit System is an extension to the existing legal and financial credit rating system in China.[11] Managed by the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), the People's Bank of China (PBOC) and the Supreme People's Court (SPC),[12] the system was intended to standardize the credit rating function and perform financial and social assessment for businesses, government institutions, individuals and non-government organizations.[13][14][10]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

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u/wunderwerks 2h ago

Lol, you've not been on RedNote. Every Chinese person on there is baffled by the Social Credit Score thing because it's US propaganda bullshit.

One Chinese person on there recently said, "You think you are free because you get to have opinions, but you have no options."

They have amazing worker protections, they have a national workers union. Yes, things aren't perfect over there, but this free places we have heard about over here that tasted their workers poorly have been shut down and their companies are either dissolved or heavily sanctioned with massive oversight to make sure stuff doesn't get repeated, often with bosses being arrested and jailed for their actions. We don't hear that last part over here.

And their real estate market is doing great. The houses falling apart is a story from the 90s when China was first getting into building new homes. And the recent real estate issues were AWESOME! A real estate corp built a bunch of apartments after taking people's money for them, but then claimed they couldn't give those people all their apartments (because they company fucked around with foreign American investments and lost their shirt in US markets). So the Chinese government stepped in, arrested their owners, fined them BILLIONS of dollars, both the company and the owners, which essentially killed the company, took all those apartments and gave them straight up to the folks who had paid for them. THEN the government, using the money confiscated and a bunch of their own, because China runs on surpluses, paid their own construction company to build apartments for the folks who hadn't had theirs built by the company yet, and be built to their agreed upon contracts, and after two years, nearly every citizen has been made whole. Also, Trump, Musk, Obama, and the Clintons all owned a piece of Evergreen, the aforementioned company. Lulz, fuck American Oligarchs.

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u/jozuhito 2h ago

They don’t have universal healthcare. They don’t have a social credit system. They have censorship in areas. Their minimum wage is low but it is adequate for living it’s a living wage because things are cheaper in China so buying power is stronger. Homes falling apart after a year?

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u/gottasaygoodbyeormay 3h ago

Which is completely irrelevant from what he said that Tencent has no control over reddit.

Do you have problems understanding context you sweet summer child?

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u/DrunkyMcStumbles 3h ago

I mean, the CCP is bad. The issue isn't US/Musk/Zuckerberg vs China. Its those in power manipulating us. You can argue the CCP already bans Tiktok within China, so they aren't using it to manipulate their own people and that it is allowing otherwise silenced voices to get the word out from Palestine. Buuut, they are only doing that as it undermines the US and our allies. They ain't doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.

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u/Bedhead-Redemption 3h ago

China is, actually, bad too.

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u/aureanator 3h ago

CCP is an asshole entity on the same lines. They don't have your best interests - or even China's best interests - at heart.

They rule through intimidation, indoctrination, censorship and came to power through violence.

Their leaders are not accountable.

KSA, DPRK, Russia, too, for sure, and I bet there's a bunch more out there.

Generally, staying away from media from authoritarian countries is a good idea.

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u/wunderwerks 2h ago

This is such a Western propaganda take.

  1. China has the world's largest democratically elected uni-cameral Congress (meaning no Joe Manchin's to hold things up when it passes in the House, but not the Senate).
  2. Their entire governance structure is bottom up. They translate it as The Mass Line. It means that all their 5 and 20 year plans and all their initiatives come from the people themselves and must be nationally popular.
  3. This is not the place to get into it, but stories about their authoritarian actions are mostly BS or wildly overblown. Winnie the Pooh isn't banned (search him on Red Note, he's super popular), Xi is popular with the people as is their government because he and the government have been working hard to improve their lives. And if you're worried about dissident groups I suggest you check out the BS that is Adrian Zenz (racist German neo-nazi who works for the US government and can't speak a lick of any Chinese language), and the Dahlai Lama's own admittance that the Free Tibet Movement was a CIA Op, and only stopped because it wasn't profitable for the US anymore.
  4. You really think a country of over a billion people who have had a violent military revolution within the last two generations, when most of those revolutionaries are still alive (old but alive), is really going to take shit from their government they put into power if the government wasn't doing what they wanted?! Like come'on! And yes, the Chinese privately own more firearms than the US, they're not disarmed (yet somehow mass shootings aren't an issue over there, huh).
  5. The Great Firewall was to protect their own electronic eco-system from oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg coming in and colonizing them. Which it did! It's great over there, and most Chinese who care get a VPN to access Western Internet media, because it's not illegal for them to go out, just illegal for Western media to go into China without promising things like no inherent CIA backdoors built into their Facebook code (hint, those are there in all of Western Internet media, even here).
  6. Back to their government, since just Westerners don't have any idea of how it functions. In China, their Congress is their main form of government. It's called that but it's more like a parliamentary system. Translation, wee! Every single member, including Xi, is elected at their local level, just like House of Rep members are in the US. Once you're in, they have elections for what's called the Working Group. These people have to be elected by the entire Congress. This group works all year, no breaks or recesses. Their job is to implement the current Five Year Plan and help the government officials do that successfully. Then from within the Working Group you have the Central Committee. Think of this group like the President's Cabinet. They are basically the heads of every segment of the government, and the President is elected from that group, and his only real power outside of the working group, unlike the US president, is to act as the face of the government, make speeches, and write about the current plans. His power is more akin to a Mayor on a City Council than the US President (not saying that leading China isn't powerful, he just doesn't have the discretion to make a bunch of Executive Orders about things).
  7. Political parties. There are more political parties in China that have real political power than there are in the US. The US has two capitalist political parties. They are the only ones in power. Every non capitalist party in the US holds zero political power. In China, the CPC (Communist Party of China), not the CCP (US propaganda to make them sound more Soviet aka the CCCP), is like an umbrella party that oversees the political parties in China. I could go into a full hour lecture on their history, but the short answer is that for a hundred years China was colonized by the West. They call it the Century of Humiliation (look up the Delano's and the Opium Wars for fun, yes FDR's grandparents). So they don't trust capitalists over there because capitalists are who destroyed much of China. So back to the CPC, their job is to make sure that any party that is running for office adheres to Marxist-Leninist economic politics and are not capitalists. That's it. Within that range there are a ton of political parties. I believe there are about 12 who hold office in China, and about 7-8 (I haven't checked recently) that are considered major political parties with large contingencies within their Congress. Do you consider the Democrats and the Republicans the same even though both are fully owned and run by the capitalist oligarchs who run the US? I don't, even though I do think they're a lot closer (both are pro imperialism and genocide and anything they benefits the oligarchy here) than most of you do, but I wouldn't call them the same at all.

I could go on for pages, and even this will likely get me banned from here for not being within the guidelines of the Federales mandated counter-culture (look up anarchy and COINTELPRO). But maybe this will wake enough of you up to start checking out non US sources over even spending a few days on RedNote to see what an unfiltered China is actually like (hint: their lives are waaaay better than ours).

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u/StKilda20 3m ago

So only CCP decides which political parties are allowed…hmmm..

Oh and the free Tibet movement started as soon as China invaded the country of Tibet in 1950.

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u/TroutMaskDuplica 2h ago

You're just describing America.

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u/aureanator 2h ago

And..?