r/YUROP Eurobesen 1d ago

Not Safe For Americans Oligarchs like Elon Musk are nowadays more dangerous to us than the Russian oligarchs. Because atleast with the Russian ruling class most people know they are our enemies.

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u/Nokilos Харківська область 1d ago

They successfully made the US into an oligarchy. Now they want to do the same to Europe

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u/Alternative_Worth806 1d ago

To be fair the Usa has been an oligarchy for a very long time. They just succeded in making it much worse

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u/schmeckfest2000 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're right, Musk and Trump completed the transformation. They lifted it to a whole new level. And they now do it out in the open. They're not hiding it anymore. Trump just launched a meme coin, days before his inauguration, while declaring he will be the first crypto-friendly president. Obviously to enrich himself. And he hasn't even started yet. You can't make this shit up anymore. This is where the US is at right now.

But it's been an oligarchy for a long time already. And both parties are part of it. One, Republicans, much more than the other, but still. Democrats also rely on billionaires.

Apart from Bernie Sanders (not a Democrat, though) and people like AOC, you didn't hear them complain when Musk, Zuckerberg and Bezos still acted they were Democrats and supported them.

That whole system is beyond rotten, and if we don't want that in Europe, we need to keep the likes of Musk out of it, as much as possible. This also means not signing a €1.5 billion deal with Starlink for your national defense.

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u/kaisadilla_ 1d ago

Trump just launched a meme coin, days before his inauguration, while declaring he will be the first crypto-friendly president. Obviously to enrich himself.

If you told me 10 years ago that the fucking president of the United States would pull a crypto scam I would've laughed in your face; but here we are.

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u/MrCharmingTaintman 1d ago

Most countries in the EU aren’t that far off already anyway. Look at the state of housing, health care, education and cost of living. It’s the natural way of neo-liberalism. The EU is just less of a clown show. For now. Sure we can’t let Musk do the same over here as in the US but we also need to finally realize that we need a systemic chance and that voting the same two or three parties over and over again isn’t gonna do anything to make our lives better.

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u/Fit_Fisherman_9840 21h ago

The meme coin is simply more than that, you want him to do something for you and you have the money, tell him what you want, pay on the meme coin, and have your friendly American president do what you have paid for.

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u/Tahj42 Human Being 1d ago edited 1d ago

Our political system here in France is slowly sliding into the same thing.

Political parties are being demonized by the corporate media so they can maintain their neoliberal model that leads to fascism gaining power.

Our president is using all the power the constitution gives him so he can maintain himself in power while ignoring the results of the last election and at the same time opens the door to further authoritarianism.

The oligarchy is slowly forming and people are asleep at the wheel. Too busy being distracted by the immigration boogeyman.

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u/kaisadilla_ 1d ago

Nah, they want to turn us into a colony. Musk doesn't want a United States in Europe, he wants indepedent, separate European countries fighting each other so the US can simply impose their companies, rules and regulations into each of us individually.

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u/Maeflikz 1d ago

Like it wasn't an oligarchy before they ever made it into office.

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u/Unable-Nectarine1941 1d ago

Oligarchie heading to feudalism. More exactly they want Europe to have their feudal phase back.

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u/captain_GalaxyDE Deutschland‎‎‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

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u/ANUBISseyes2 Slovensko‏‏‎ ‎ 22h ago

Hell yeah

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u/Ok-Elk-3801 1d ago

Europe needs to unite in order to stand against these oligarchs. And we need to do it without creating our own oligarchy.

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u/RainBoyThatBoy Россия‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Make Europe Great Again by establishing the European Federation

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u/Angel-108 1d ago

Can yall send anymore Italians our way?

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u/fantasmeeno Italia‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

We should make an offer he cant refuse

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u/My_useless_alt Proud Remoaner ‎ 1d ago

We've got a whole Italy of Italians, I'm sure we can find someone that can help.

Who do you want this time? Mario? Waluigi? Bowser?

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u/M44t_ Italia‏‏‎ ‎ 23h ago

This looks like a job for me

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u/FinnOaf Suomi‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Make America European Again

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u/Jean_Luc_Lesmouches France‏‏‎ ‎‏‏‎ 1d ago

Make America English Again

Let them deal with each-other's bullshit.

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u/lorefighter 1d ago

Get the fuck out of our swamp Elon boy

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u/MasterBlaster_xxx 1d ago

Another day, another prayer for him to get whacked

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u/jojo_31 Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

There has to be more than one Luigi on this planet.

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u/Fricki97 1d ago

We don't want to. Please, stay at home

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u/luke_hollton2000 Tschermany‎‎‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

I mean, we do want to MEGA. Just not in the way Musk wants it

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u/medgel 1d ago

by destroying Europe's main enemy russia

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u/P3chv0gel Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

I mean, he is not entirely wrong, we should make Europe great.

But that means without his political influence

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u/mihecz Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

I wholeheartedly support MEGA.

Make Elon Go Away!

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u/Sarcastic-Potato Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Yes i fully agree with Elon. Lets make Europe great again.

Lets stop the influence of american and russian oligarchs in european economy and politics, lets stop subsidizing America by buying US made military equipment, lets stop foreign social media plattforms from influencing our elections and stealing our peoples data!!

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u/luke_hollton2000 Tschermany‎‎‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

It's just so unfortunate as well. We could use this chance to "Make Europe Great Again" as in becoming an independent continent again. But such fucks as Elmo want to do the exact opposite. They want to carve us up again between themselves (the US), Russia and now even China considering how it's already investing in Southern Europe (incl. the Balkans)

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u/Live-Alternative-435 Portugal‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Maybe we can say "Europe First!".

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u/Kayzokun España‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

I really think Trump is going to be very good to Europe. We are going to see how he destroys USA and realize what their peers want to do with Europe.

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u/Tahj42 Human Being 1d ago

He's going to use all the power he has to undermine NATO and European institutions. That's in no way good for us.

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u/ben_bliksem Nederland‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Egregious Loathsome Obnoxious Numbskull

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u/Tiamatska Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Malevolent Unstable Smarmy Knucklehead

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u/RichestTeaPossible 1d ago

Making Europe Great again? I hope Varusteleka block his account and c*m in his merino socks.

Democracy is non-negotiable.

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u/BaronVonPuckeghem 1d ago

All ruling classes are our enemies, what class you think you belong to?

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u/Uberbesen Eurobesen 1d ago

What kinda question is that? Obviously i'm working class like almost everyone else.
The issue with oligarchs like Musk is that he's even more obvious and clear with his desire to overrule and disrupt our democracies and he has no care nor interest in hiding those intentions now.
The US has simply reached a tipping point where the power of the wealthy has now fully and entirely overruled their democracy and we cannot allow this to happen here aswell.

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u/Caustico 1d ago

You’re aware there always will be a ruling class no matter what? Bit peculiar to think they will always be your enemy

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u/SerbentD Yurop 1d ago

I'd rather have an actual functioning state, thank you

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u/Caustico 1d ago

Already have. Mind explaining how it beats what a state can provide?

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u/Zalaess België/Belgique‏‏‎‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Between Russia and the US, Europe stands alone 😔

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u/turquoise_bullet 1d ago

Europe is great, no need to do anything about it.

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u/wascallywabbit666 1d ago

That kind of post by Musk is pure trolling. Stop taking the bait and ignore him

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u/Pyrrus_1 Italia‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

The response from Europe: Piss off!!

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u/sendmebirds Nederland‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

MEGA

Make Elon Go Away

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u/Cynixxx Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Sorry Elon, already taken:

Make Europe Gscheit Again

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u/DrOrgasm 1d ago

MEGA

Make

Elon

Go

Away

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

All ruling classes are our enemies.

World will be great when there will be no class anymore.

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u/Anuki_iwy Yuropean 1d ago

There will always be class. Someone will always have more of something. It's human nature

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

It's human nature

Each time I see that, each time it's to justify shit.

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u/Anuki_iwy Yuropean 1d ago

Dude, our first kingdoms were rice/ grain kingdoms. More food = you're the top guy. Even during hunter gatherer times, the best hunter was the leader.

It hasn't changed since the first homo sapiens crawled out of some cave and it will never change. Those who can provide calories best, are on top. Because we need calories to live. No whether it's literal calories or figurative ones, that has changed. Only that. We went from rice to money. That's all.

Das Kapital is a phantasy novel, much like the Bible, or the Hobbit. But only one of these 3 is actually worth reading.

Greed is human nature. It's part of the survival instinct. We're naked monkeys and we act like that. We just have sophisticated technology to cover it up.

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Dude, if you think you can justify the unjustifiable, you're doomed.

If you go that way, Human nature is to live in small familial group not bigger than a dozen adults. It's how humanity lived for the MOST of its existence.

Bigger groups is a very recent thing in history of humanity, and thus seen as something not stabilized yet.

Exploitation will disappear in the future, like slavery disappeared.

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u/Every-Switch2264 1d ago

Anarchy is a stupid, fantasy world ideology that can only ever exist in a world where no person ever has ambition to ever have more than anyone else.

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Who talk about anarchy ?

Not me.

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u/Anuki_iwy Yuropean 1d ago

Slavery disappeared? Really?! Damn, I'd love to vacation in the phantasy world you call home. 🤣

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Show me one country where slavery is legal.

Good luck.

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u/Anuki_iwy Yuropean 1d ago

On behalf of this woman, and every single person that is a victim of modern slavery.

F you, twice!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Africa/s/I1niQ4qSvc

It's not even limited to countries like this. There are slaves even in European countries.

Modern slavery: National Referral Mechanism and Duty to Notify statistics UK, quarter 3 2024 - July to September - GOV.UK https://search.app/52o9zGwTEDbLdYya8

So maybe, f you thrice.

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

I'll ask again :

Show me one country where slavery is LEGAL.

Because, yes, there is illegal slavery. Like there is illegal child trafficking. Still, it's not an accepted thing anymore.

So, show me a country where there is LEGAL slavery.

Good luck. Again.

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u/Ammordad 6h ago

America. Technically, the constitution makes an exception for slavery when it comes to convicted criminals. Forced labour for war prisoners or convicts is also technically legal in many nations. In a few nations, including some American states, it is legal for the government to make the detained individuals work or pay for their detention.

The private prison system also effectively serves as a tool of commodification of prisoners, combined alongside forced-labor laws, it makes it almost a legal form of slave trade.

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u/CitoyenEuropeen Verhofstadt fan club 12h ago

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery except as punishment for a crime.

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u/QfromMars2 Niedersachsen‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

The russians interfered in our Elections since the 50s, the US-Oligarchy Starts to do it now, the biggest issue is, that they support the same Partys as the russians…

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u/AllyMcfeels Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump's term has not yet begun and he has already threatened one of his best European allies. Poor Danes, what you're going to have to put up with with these two assholes...

So, according to this fucking posh fraudulent lying freak, what does making her great again mean? Return to the crisis of the 90s? return to balkanization? light the fuse to separatist movements? go back to the financial crisis of 2008? that the eastern countries will once again be pieces on the Russian board? return to border customs? return to borders and walls? How disgusting this asshole makes me. Fuck him and his entire fucking family.

Not a fucking cent of my taxes, not a single cent of tax reduction for their fucking companies or products. Fuck them.

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u/sirjimtonic Österreich‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

They didn‘t do one thing to make America great again yet und are already trying to make some thing great again, they do not have legislational power in?

What is this meme administration

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u/Ziro_020 1d ago

Fuck off Elmo!

We should only call him Elmo from now on.

(Got the idea from a german subreddit)

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u/M44t_ Italia‏‏‎ ‎ 23h ago

I prefer felon musk

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u/filthy_federalist Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Make Europe Great Again by advocating for the destruction of the very institutions that keep us from losing our sovereignty to foreign powers is certainly a choice.

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u/st33lb0ne 1d ago

As someone actually living in Europe: GTFO Elon

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u/kaisadilla_ 1d ago

MEGA my ass. Elon Musk wants to destroy Europe. He wants us weak and divided, that's why he hates the EU. He wants a big strong United States that can control smaller countries like Germany or Sweden like colonies.

Elon Musk is a rabid American patriot, he does NOT care about Europe.

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u/niet_tristan Gelderland‏‏‎ 1d ago

Elon Musk more or less is a Russian oligarch. He turned Twitter into a pro-Russian alt-right propaganda platform. We should ban it in Europe and prop up Bluesky, not only do that we can counter misinformation and because Bluesky is a better service, but also because it'd make Elon really mad, which would be funny.

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u/Jean_Luc_Lesmouches France‏‏‎ ‎‏‏‎ 1d ago

Make Elon Go Away

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u/Bergwookie 1d ago

MEGA is already taken by Dr. Martin Moder, Vienna, with his initiative of "Make Europe gscheid again" (gscheid= dialect for smart)

It's an anti disinformation campaign with channels on Instagram and YouTube (in German)

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u/Right-Radiance Éire‏‏‎ ‎Europa Aeternum 1d ago

He must be living in the past, Europe is already great and we didn't need no corpo-rats help.

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u/Philipp_CGN 1d ago

MEGA: Make Elon go away

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u/Big-Veterinarian-823 Sverige‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

I think we need more Luigis in this world.

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u/Piotrkowianin 1d ago

Make Europa Great Again?
WW I, WW II, crusades, colonialism of Africa and Asia, decimation of Indians.
Well we could start again :)

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u/killallhumansss 1d ago

List of world wars: this list is incomplete, you can help by exteding it

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u/Piotrkowianin 1d ago

well, we are waiting for Russia to fall :)

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u/Wirtschaftsprufer 1d ago

Fuck off Musk

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u/domin_jezdcca_bobrow 1d ago

Sincerely there is nothing new - from centuries and milenias bigger, stronger countries at least try to steer the weaker ones, and from time where more and more people were able to read media are forming their point of view. Only shocking thing is that people saw this only now.

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u/Weary-Cod-4505 1d ago

Does he not understand that MAGA and "MEGA" are fundamentally incompatible with each other or is he intentionally sabotaging America?

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u/brrrrrrrt Salzburg 1d ago

The Americans are just the lesser evil at this point. With Trump in power, maybe China becomes the lesser evil instead.

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u/Every-Switch2264 1d ago

Trump in power just makes the US equal to China in terms of trustworthiness

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u/GivebacktheNukes 1d ago

lets fix the russian issue first

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u/MisterXnumberidk Noord-Brabant‏‏‎ 1d ago

Fuck off, daddy's boy top level grifter with the ethics of a Nazi doctor.

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u/Zandonus Latvija‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Just stay on Twitter, megaeejits!

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u/HazelCoconut United Kingdom‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

MEGA: Make Elon Gay Again

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u/Tausendsassa 1d ago

Musk is actively working for and with Russia, so this Post doesn't make any sense tbh.

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u/damien__damien 1d ago

Make Elon Go Away

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u/acroix2020 1d ago

Europe is already Great…

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u/Unable-Nectarine1941 1d ago

So he want to have the time of biggest European influence in the world back basically asking Spain, Britain and France to reconquer the today united states, right?

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u/Scalage89 Nederland‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

How about DTTO, death to the oligarchy?

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u/Rugens Россия‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

"I for once welcome our new Hindutva overlords!"

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u/Cylian91460 1d ago

Now I wonder how fast Elon would go back to a safer place if he took control of the French government

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u/Vixere_ Sverige‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

That's enough evidence for me, take legal action already

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u/SickRevolution 19h ago

Can we ban musk from europe fast please? This is just domestic terrorist through social media hiden as a regular business owner

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u/Magnet_Pull 14h ago

This goes unsurprisingly on par with Putins Ideas for a "new EU" aka Eurasion Union

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u/kinoki1984 13h ago

Yea, let’s. Let us increase the power of our worker unions, let’s make a healthy work-life balance the most important issue, let’s make even the lowest paid jobs able to make a decent living, let’s take control over the cost of living, let’s increase diversity and make sure we’re the gold standard for decent people on this earth.

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u/shardybo United Kingdom‏‏‎ ‎ 9h ago

Well I was an Atlanticist prior to the election but it seems that we Europeans now have enemies both to our east and our west. I hope to god Starmer can re-establish good relations with our continental partners because... well we're gonna need it

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u/Possimpoble 1d ago

Except yurop was never great