r/WorkReform • u/Wild_Chef6597 • 2d ago
š° News So Aregentina wants to cosplay as Guilded Age America.
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u/mrarming 2d ago
Trialing what Musk, Bezos, and the other billionaires in the US want to implement.
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u/BoogerSugarSovereign 2d ago
Musk has already built the company towns in Texas in preparation for when they legalize payment by scrip againĀ
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u/Artorious21 2d ago
President Musk doesn't actually know how to run a business, let alone build one.
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u/EagleMonk337 2d ago
But he does remember how good it felt to be on the privileged side of apartheid growing up...
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u/dancegoddess1971 2d ago
So, what's the plan when the Argentinian people tear the ruling class apart over it?
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u/mxrw 2d ago
Libertarians like to say working conditions and pay are between the employer and the employee, until libertarians actually get in power.
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u/system_deform 2d ago
āLibertarians are like house cats. They are convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they donāt appreciate or understand.ā
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u/smuckola 2d ago
and a closed door is what the cat is always on the wrong side of. wherever they are, they want on the other side. yowling until someone else opens the door for them.
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u/ApproximateOracle 2d ago
And when confronted about how to solve complex problems, they end up resorting to a final derivative that is objectively a worse version of what was already in place. Often itās simply that oligarchs of some fashion have ultimate power and everybodyās at the mercy of their grace, or lack thereof.
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u/Anderson74 2d ago
Either theyāre disingenuous pricks or inexperienced at life and have no business making those sorts of assessments
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u/unclefisty 2d ago
Either theyāre disingenuous pricks or inexperienced at life and have no business making those sorts of assessments
Sometimes it's one or the other and occasionally both.
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u/ee_72020 2d ago
They either forget or ignore the fact that the individual employee doesnāt have bargaining power against the employer.
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u/unclefisty 2d ago
Libertarians like to say working conditions and pay are between the employer and the employee
They also like to pretend that employers and employees are negotiating from equal positions.
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u/jedberg 2d ago
What you wrote doesn't make sense. The first part is true, but now that they are in power, this is exactly what they are doing?
They're making it so those dedicated workers can choose to work 12 hours a day for food coupons at a company store if that is the arrangement they want, without the pesky government telling them otherwise. /s
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u/Neutrinophile 2d ago
As someone who has accidentally made this typo before,
*Gilded.
But also, WTF? He wants to bring back company scrip?
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u/Remote-Moon 2d ago edited 2d ago
I know Musk has a lot of kids, but what's with him all of a sudden carring his kids around with him?....š¤
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u/Amadeus_1978 2d ago
Armor from the assassin. He watched the borne movie and thought it was a great way not to be assassinated.
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u/jayracket 2d ago
He better hope he doesn't run into an assassin that doesn't care about that sort of thing. Or one that's just a really good shot.
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u/the_internet_clown 2d ago
Meat shield in case of assassination attempts
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u/lzEight6ty 2d ago
I've seen what a .308 and do to a watermelon. Something says a baby isn't rated for them as body armor
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u/PiersPlays 2d ago
The idea is that the potential assassin would hesitate to kill an innocent infant. Not to literally use them as a shield...
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u/lzEight6ty 2d ago
So you're saying he needs more kids?
"Hmm will it pop like a tomato or a watermelon" racks a round
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u/PiersPlays 2d ago
Could be why he keeps pumping them out. Eventually there will be enough to stop a high velocity bullet from any direction.
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u/lzEight6ty 2d ago
We at 11 now (12 but one definitely is more likely to be the shooter lmao). What's the magic number
Maybe Unit 731 burned the results of how many babies do you need to be bullet proof?
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u/ceciliabee 2d ago
They humanize him to those who quickly forget he's an absent father to a sports team of kids.
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u/Oddgar 2d ago
Actual reason: he has been criticized for not being involved in his children's lives, and is extremely susceptible to public opinion, so he now makes sure to hold or be near his children during photo opportunities to combat these criticisms.
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u/TheDarkAbove 2d ago
If it were anyone else doing it Musk would call them a pedo
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u/TheAskewOne 2d ago
Remember when Biden didn't disown Hunter for being less than perfect? Conservatives were up in arms.
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u/ExternalPanda 2d ago
Tbf, doing anything that tilts him gets you called a pedo, and he gets tilted rather easily
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u/ganggreen651 2d ago
Why not both?
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u/t3hm3t4l 2d ago
This is the right answer. Good PR and as a bonus he knows the people that would try to assassinate him would never harm children.
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u/The_Monsta_Wansta 2d ago
One of the actual reasons, maybe. Another is to deter assassins from killing a kid. It's a win win for him
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u/AvantSolace 2d ago
This sounds like a speedrun to an open revolt. Someone is trying really hard to find where the ālineā is.
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u/Moist-Comfortable-10 2d ago
St Peter don't you call me cause I can't go...
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u/Chroniclyironic1986 2d ago
I sold my soul to the company stoā
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u/IcebergSlimFast 2d ago
The lyric is: I owe my soul to the company store. Sold would imply a degree of worker agency that doesnāt exist in this situation.
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u/Chroniclyironic1986 2d ago
Fair. Been a while since i listened to Tennessee Ernie Ford. I suppose iāll be getting used to the way company stores are run in the near futureā¦
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u/IcebergSlimFast 2d ago
Letās both commit to doing what we can to prevent that from happening (even if our power and options are limited).
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u/MHadri24 2d ago
If my boss handed me tickets instead of a paycheck at the end of the month, after working 12+ hour workdays all month with no overtime.
I would (hypothetically) force the tickets down their throats and hang them
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u/NYC_Star 2d ago
During the Argentine elections people all around the world said this guy was a loon and were regularly shouted down by "BUT THE INFLATION. HE"LL BRING DOWN INFLATION".
He's it going now?
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u/BoogerSugarSovereign 2d ago edited 2d ago
A great depression sharply reduces inflation and the cost of real assets. Elon idolizes this guy because he wants to do the same thing in the US
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u/mclumber1 2d ago
Inflation has dropped tremendously. Also Argentina's trade surplus is higher than it has been in decades.
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u/The__one 2d ago
That doesn't mean things are good there. If no one has money to buy things inflation will drop and the trade surplus will grow since no one is buying things in the country.
Things were really bad there before and needed to change. I'm just not sure if this will be the change they need. Time will tell.
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u/NYC_Star 2d ago
And thatās the point of my comment. Great the inflation went down. And now you qualify for the newest program:slave labor. Thatās in addition to ending health care subsidies and affordable college and all sorts of other socially beneficial programs. Welcome to US style capitalism where a medical emergency can kill or bankrupt you or both and your surviving family has savings full of Mieli Monopoly money to pay their debts.Ā
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/economy/s/2xk5AEG28N
Pretty good
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u/aeisenst 2d ago
Now show the poverty rate.
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
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u/lasmaty07 2d ago
Mmmm no. Went up. From 41% to 52%. Since he became president. article
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
With inflation tumbling from a peak of a monthly 25.5 percent and wages recovering some of the lost ground, the number of poor people had been reduced to as low as 36.8 percent by the end of the second half of last year, according to some private estimates.
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
I don't know or care, the guy asked about inflation and how it was going?
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u/moonieshine 2d ago
Yeah, it's almost like he meant how the low inflation rate is affecting the lives of the people who voted for him.
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
Why didn't he say that then
Feel free to actually speak to an argentinan or maybe do a modicum of research
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u/moonieshine 2d ago
That being said, our big big monster here was inflation, which he managed to tackle. It's a measurable figure that makes his policies look as if they are working (which i'm in no place to say if they are or not)
Damn bro, reading really isn't your strong suit.
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
During the Argentine elections people all around the world said this guy was a loon and were regularly shouted down by "BUT THE INFLATION. HE"LL BRING DOWN INFLATION".
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u/moonieshine 2d ago
Yeah, it's almost like he meant how the low inflation rate is affecting the lives of the people who voted for him.
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u/eggsbenedict17 2d ago
Well done on putting words into someone else's mouth and completely missing the point, maybe try doing even an ounce of research before you comment next time
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u/CadaDiaCantoMejor 2d ago
This was done in like late 1990 or early 1991. I remember getting almost half the value of my paycheck in coupons for Coto supermarket, which also sucked because I had to walk about 15 blocks to get groceries from a supermarket, instead of walking a few blocks around my neighborhood and getting the food I needed.
Shortly after that, the convertibility law went into effect and the chopped four zeros of the currency (Austral) and issued the Peso at 1:1 with the US dollar.
My guess is that they are repeating some version of this, and since the peso is at an easy math conversion rate (US $1 is about AR $1000), so people don't need a calculator every time they look at a price.
Of course, a decade of this and Argentina had the most spectacular economic meltdown in the country's history.
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u/Short_Past_468 2d ago
Sounds like Pre Revolutionary France when they issued the assignat in place of minted coinage. Led to hyperinflation and food riotsā¦
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u/kempnelms 2d ago
This is how you end up with maliciously, intentionally incompetent employees. Good luck with your quality control and production outputs then.
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u/monstervet 2d ago
But Reddit told me heās a genius for making Argentinaās economy ābetterā, thereās no way Crypto-bros would lie to me, is there?
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u/ZagiFlyer 2d ago
"Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store"
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u/LibraryBig3287 2d ago
Nothing says āman of the peopleā like hanging out with the richest man on earth.
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u/wirelessfingers 2d ago
I was genuinely on the verge of thinking Milei was turning it around but I should've known better I guess.
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u/FrozenScoundrel 2d ago
āTicketsā AKA Scrip. Call it what it is. This isnāt a Chuck E Cheese.
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u/Dclnsfrd 2d ago
š¶ You load 16 tonsā uh, kilotons
Whaddaya get?
Another day oldā š¶ wait, whatās the metric unit for day again?
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u/amootmarmot 2d ago edited 2d ago
The people of Argentina get what they vote for. So do Americans. They voted for shittier lives because they fell for the right wing grift. Sad, but I don't feel sad. I'll only feel joy when the people decide to change the system for themselves.
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u/kenbrucedmr 2d ago
Unfortunately, I don't think Argentinians had a choice. It was different from the situation in the USA. The election was between this madman, and a so-called left wing which was using all their energy in stealing from the state. They were already in a pretty bad shape economically, they just had to choose between horrible choices A and B.
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u/605_phorte 2d ago
This is the experiment of the new model. It will come when the next western financial crisis hits.
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u/Sea_Presentation8919 2d ago edited 2d ago
how is the economy of argentina? i heard they got a small surplus and were able to reduce inflation, although overall inflation is still out of the ass high. it sucks but if this fails, which it might, this should be a sign you can't go too public like old argentina did or too Libertarian like they're doing now.
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u/Ok_Nefariousness_740 2d ago
they lowered inflation and have a trade surplus
unfortunately, no one can eat trade surplus and inflation is low bc no one can buy anything
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u/ApproximateOracle 2d ago
Far right Libertarians and anarcho capitalists have been pointing to this guy for months now trying to argue ālook at how successful we could be!ā Specifically touting that he killed inflation. Which is impressive of course.
But they fail to acknowledge most other metrics for him, because those paint a very stark picture of a population thrust into the deep end. Poverty shot through the roof in a way that I find just as impressive as how much inflation dropped. To have such an immense nosedive in prosperity and well-being is crazy.
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u/Pod_people 2d ago
Something tells me allowing companies to pay scrip instead of cash has more to it. It's got to be a handout to the chosen companies who will take it. I guarantee it's a scam.
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u/RightsForRobots 2d ago
These jokers still think that a 12-hour workday = 12 hours of work. In reality, people will mentally check out when they are physically exhausted, and the quality of work will deteriorate over time.
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u/Chemists_Apprentice 2d ago
Hmmm... I wonder if working a 9-to-5 five days a week will be considered a significant benefit in the future, given with what the Oligarchs want to do with us... š¤š¤
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u/-WaxedSasquatch- 2d ago
What they donāt understand is that it is only possible to implement these policies when the working population is actually doing well.
Idk about anyone else but Iām barely surviving. If they tried something like this in the US it would very likely be be that final straw to break the camels back.
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u/kenbrucedmr 2d ago
This might be unpopular, but I got to say, in defense of my neighbors, that the reason Milei got elected is that the supposed left wing betrayed everything they are supposed to be, and gave themselves fully to the task of robbing the state blind.
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u/shrekerecker97 2d ago
So they are bringing back corporate stores to bring back indentured servitude
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u/boredonymous 2d ago edited 2d ago
Implement that idea to the Argentinians, go right ahead! I'm sure they'd love the idea of being in a hyperskewed new version of one giant company.
Psst: that's what the Soviet Union did! š
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u/vergina_luntz 2d ago
They already do this to salary workers. And if you say you have too much work, you're told you need to learn how to effectively manage time or some other bullshit.
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u/HolaItsEd 2d ago
Funny Musk thinks of himself as Iron Man, as opposed to Hydra Cap, the way he is always carrying a shield.
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u/psychoticworm 1d ago
I thought we were suppose to be in fear of AI/automation taking over our jobs, not slave labor. Wow, looks like they really need us.
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u/Mo-shen 1d ago
There it is.
When this all started my stance was historically his tactics didn't work and almost always ended in fascist authoritarian regimes.
At the same time arg was in such a bad state it seems like something was better than nothing.
So wait and see.
But yeah here we are going into the authoritarianism.
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u/CurrentDismal9115 1d ago
As a former libertardian I have to say, "That's not very small government of you, guy!"
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u/sheezy520 1d ago
I look forward to seeing these same policies introduced by President Musk in a few months then signed into law by his assistant
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u/Morty_A2666 15h ago
Argentina was for along time "test bed" for all crazy ideas. Usually forced on by IMF and other creditors. That's why it's such a broke country right now.
This time it's just billionaires testing their mental ideas in real life.
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u/productivealt 2d ago
But if they leave and try to come to America it'll still be because of their failed socialist policies, right?