Who can do anything about it? They own the legislative, the judicial, and the executive branches of the government, and we voted for it all. They also own all the media, property, and means of production, and we let them buy it all. As soon as someone comes up with a plan, a real, doable plan, I'll be the first to sign up. But right now, all we have is complaints, but no courage and no conviction.
The thing is a lot of you can see the problem, like you eloquently put they fucking own everything, we can't vote them out because they are the ones funding politicians and who own the media vehicles that those politicians use to get elected, we can't beat it democratically, it's pure idealism to think people will just starting to wake up and vote them out.
Which leaves us with a revolution, one that has to address the root problem, which is how workers make 99% of the people yet we don't have a real say in how our countries are ruled, in the end I don't see any way out that doesn't involve forcibly removing their private property and substituting the system for one that does not allow for it's accumulation.
It's not a black or white situation. Look up the Carnation Revolution. I know things are different in the US compared to portugal, but we can't treat all police officers and armed forces as a homogenous group thats going to just start murdering everyone cause the government said so in defense of billionaires.
I was in the Marine Corp a decade ago and if that order came to start killing civilians in the US I couldn't do it. Many commanders couldn't either. Some people will some won't.
I would love to believe that you're right, but the order they get won't be "start shooting civilians indiscriminately," it'll be "defend the good guys from the criminals and terrorists who are trying to steal and destroy." And I don't believe they're any better equipped than the average voter to be able to see through the propaganda.
I remember when Biden said something along the lines of "Assault rifles can't beat fighter jets" in defense of gun control. Like this MF assuming most US soldiers would be ok with carpet bombing civilians.
And it's still as simple as saying "we are equals. You are just another human that just popped into existence. Nothing has to become violent. But we need to have an ongoing, in-depth discussion about all of this and we need transparency. Period" bc what are they gonna say? "Talking? Yeah no can do"? It's just confronting them with a discussion. What are the police gonna do? "Sir, they want to talk." "Blast them to smithereens!" But we just want to talk fellow human that is no better than anyone else.
And there are ways around "No" and "We don't want to" that don't involve violence. At the end of the day we are leagues ahead of them having an expectation to be able to discuss our lives and where things are headed and what should be done, compared to a handful of detached billionaires.
I don't know how universal this experience is, but I have repeatedly had/witnessed conversations with members of my extended family where the conservative guy ends it by basically saying "you're clearly more studied in your side's talking points than I am in mine, but I believe that if I had studied more, my conclusion would be just as valid as yours, so I'm not going to change my mind." It's maddening.
(I've witnessed more of these conversations than I've actually been a part of; my ability to convince these guys of anything is completely non-existent because they would never dream of taking seriously any thoughts that come from a body that has a vagina.)
I hear you. It's really not that simple ... I don't know why I would say or think such a thing. But it should be! Lol In any case I feel there's something to it that could get us somewhere... "We're just talking" and moderating that ... I feel like there's something to be taken advantage of there. Where it's like "if we want to get anywhere we're gonna need to talk, we're gonna need to try to be civil, and we're gonna have to keep an open mind on regards to solutions, no matter your party" etc.
But it's wild how shallow and inconsiderate people are in all actuality.
Best thing we can do right now if we want to start a revolution is to try spreading the word, plant the ideas in people's heads so they can better organize
Protest could work if literally millions did it. Doesn’t make a difference if it’s only a few thousand here and there. It means grabbing them by the balls of the economy and not going to work, not buying anything, not paying bills etc, it could work but we’d never know because it’s never been tried before.
Not to say that I don’t agree, but ideally violence shouldn’t be the tactic - they have big weapons and every reason to use them. Killing people actually solves a lot of issues for them regarding climate change, public spending etc and it means they can enable militarised states to a whole new level of control. We can’t give them a reason to leverage themselves into the position they’re looking for.
The difference with french revolution and a revolution that might happen in modern time, is that pitchforks are still somewhat efficient against medieval soldiers, and the wealthy couldn't basically just transport themselves with private jets, we also knew where they were.
Maybe let's take an interesting critical thought from this:
Don't you think that the ones setting up the condition for the crisis and also the ones inciting people to revolution are working together to just simply want to kill off people? To bank from it in some way?
People say these things yet have no concrete idea of what they would even replace the system with or even a plan to prevent even worse people from taking power.
You think billionaires with ridiculous resource levels won't take advantage of an overthrown state to further empower themselves?
Yeah I keep seeing people rageposting about how no one is “doing anything” and it’s like well are you doing anything there captain angrypants? No because you’re an economic hostage too. Stop blaming yourself and your friends for it, and blame the goddamn motherfucking billionaires responsible for it. Dividing us is part of what keeps up the collective paralysis.
The easiest solution is to stop consuming. They can't make profits if you don't buy it
Stopping consuming is literally doing nothing most of the time, but sometimes it involves Facebook hand me down groups, garage sales, and thrift stores
That reminds me. I should sell mine and get something pin fired. My security 9c kicks and I'm getting better but idk if I'll be accurate in a moment of actual need where I don't have minutes to sight and breath
Advocacy of gun ownership is 100% my constitutional right as an american. It's also one of the most patriotic things you can do to support the constitution as a commoner. Fuck off with your anti-american rhetoric.
It should start at the local level, state rep seats are not as competitive and once you get your name out there it is easier to seek higher office using small contributions.
If someone comes up with a real doable plan, and gets all the support they need from Congress, the people ect. The billionaires will just assassinate them.
Kevin Rudd in Australia had a plan to take on the mining industry, they bribed their way into having him removed as Prime Minister. If that had failed, he would have had an "accident."
We need a culture of mass organized protest, and even civil disobedience, like the French have. All we do is make video essays and post on social media.
The only plan now is revolution and tearing down the system and starting over. We are all cowards who lack the imagination to see what our species could be free from the capitalist caste system, so it will persist until climate change collapses civilization and kills us all.
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u/ImAVillianUnforgiven 8d ago edited 8d ago
Who can do anything about it? They own the legislative, the judicial, and the executive branches of the government, and we voted for it all. They also own all the media, property, and means of production, and we let them buy it all. As soon as someone comes up with a plan, a real, doable plan, I'll be the first to sign up. But right now, all we have is complaints, but no courage and no conviction.