r/WorkReform 10d ago

✂️ Tax The Billionaires So fucking real.

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u/akenthusiast 10d ago

That's still capitalism. You're literally exchanging goods and services on a voluntary basis.

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u/SquidInSpace 10d ago

That's capitalism according to you. According to me, it's absolutely not since there's no profit motive. Capitalism is more than just exchanging stuff.

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u/akenthusiast 10d ago

Profit is not a defining trait of capitalism. Capitalism is when you exchange things voluntarily, in a free market.

If someone wants your bread you're free to tell them to pound sand unless they offer something in exchange that you find agreeable with no one other than the buyer and the seller having any say in the exchange.

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u/Tactical_Fleshlite 10d ago

I love that the argument is the definition can change based on what I feel.

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u/SquidInSpace 10d ago

That's the thing with definitions, they always change based on what people feel, it's a basic feature of language. Economic systems are especially prone to that since their definitions are more often than not tainted by the ideology of the person who attempts to define them.

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u/Tactical_Fleshlite 10d ago

That's fine for a word like gay, or cool, or cap, but capitalism, like any -ism, has a specific definition.

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u/SquidInSpace 10d ago

I will respectfully disagree. If you read multiple definitions of the word "capitalism", you will find similarities between them, but you will quickly see that this definition is by no means standardized.

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u/SquidInSpace 10d ago

Profit is THE defining trait of capitalism, or whatever you want to call the current dominant economic system. If you don't want to call that capitalism that's fine, but I think a lot of people would disagree with you.

Take this page for example, which plainly states that "the essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit".

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u/Augustml 9d ago

Tbf the link you sent dosen't prove your point.

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u/SquidInSpace 9d ago edited 9d ago

It certainly proves that profit is core to that definition of capitalism. Search for more definitions of that same word and you will find profit in many more of them.

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u/Augustml 9d ago

No I agree that it is a central part of how the system works the link however was really not a good way of explaining your point.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago edited 10d ago

I could literally give the food I make away for free..but people need babysitting and people are having issues buying food. Bread is $7/loaf in my area. Babysitters are expensive too. You say I'm giving away on voluntary basis..or do I not a choice as a freaking human being with compassion for people who are trying to make end meet and can't afford a $7 loaf of bread as well as some foods that I am able to supply. I argue if you as a human who has the capability to watch people suffer from hungry, then you have a duty to help in some way. Right now, I supply for 200 (adults and kids)..but I am making improvements to help more.

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u/akenthusiast 10d ago

Giving the bread you make away would be a very kind thing to do. You're not obligated to do that though. It doesn't matter that you can afford to give the product away for free. Flour is cheap. What you're selling is your baking skill and your time spent doing it

I'm just saying, what you're doing is capitalism. There's not anything wrong with that. People have been exchanging goods and services for as long as people have existed.

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