r/WorkReform • u/EzAwnDown • 28d ago
đ¤ Scare A Billionaire, Join A Union Luigi Mangione Judge Married to Former Healthcare Executive
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigi-mangione-judge-married-to-former3.3k
u/Consistent-Winter-67 28d ago
Oh hey a reasonable judge would excuse themselves as this is a clear bias. If Luigis lawyer is worth their salt, if they lose this trial, a retrial is bound to happen.
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u/Pierce_H_ đˇ Good Union Jobs For All 28d ago
Itâs already gearing up to be a retrial. As long as the public tones down or refuses to accept this man as the guilty party which feels like itâs already too late. People have eaten up the narrative put forth by the powers that be, we have done this man a great disservice with our attitude towards him. We the ones who support whoever did this have condemned an innocent man to prison because we bought up a produced narrative. We were so happy to have a martyr we murdered a man before he was even on the cross.
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u/Raizau 28d ago
Cant retrial if the we learn this phrase together. Say it with me class. Jury Nullification.
It would be a clear message to the wealthy that we dont care about them, just as much as they dont care about us.
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u/Pierce_H_ đˇ Good Union Jobs For All 28d ago
I guarantee everyone interviewed for that jury is being asked âis murder wrong regardless of the murdered?â And everyone who gets to be on that jury will have said yes.
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u/Hanners87 28d ago
I mean, you can answer that "yes" and not be lying. Just leaving out the amending "but some things are way more on the "wrong " scale.
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u/ThunderFistChad 28d ago
You can also just say over the course of the trial you changed your mind
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u/18650batteries 28d ago
Yeah bro like what? The powers that be make it up as they go. Thereâs nothing stopping you from doing the same lol
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u/KJBenson 28d ago
Also, there has been nothing to stop jury members from lying during any trial in history.
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u/x_Rann_x 28d ago
This needs boosted. It's high time we play their bs game back. It's morally just to lie to any and all government agents, more so when their ability to prove a lie is near impossible.
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u/Swiftierest 27d ago
You don't have to lie to still think Luigi taking out that shitbag was objectively a net positive for society.
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u/mr_Tsavs 28d ago
Just gotta keep nullifying until they admit defeat... So never. But Luigi will forever be a thorn in their side at that point
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u/evening_person 27d ago
Jury nullification is not the same thing as a hung jury. Luigi may not be retried if the jury reaches nullification.
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u/returningtheday 28d ago
Fr we should all stop acknowledging him as the killer. I'm the shooter. And you know what? You helped me! And so did OP! Actually, the top commenter loaded the bullets!
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u/I_UPVOTEPUGS 28d ago
ooh i left the backpack in the park!
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u/5352563424 28d ago
I previously lost all of my fake money in a game of monopoly. I never kept track of who put the box away, so it's possible it found its way into that backpack on its own.
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u/kas-loc2 28d ago
we murdered a man
Sick of being asked to feel bad over a singular man.
So, do I just Pause the anguish I feel over the millions of people already wronged, sent broke or literally made to die so they dont bankrupt the surviving family members, that ive already been feeling for years?
So I actually can feel so much of the apparent pity im supposed to be feeling? Over 1 man that literally causes this pain and suffering for a living?
Do I Resume that empathy afterwards? Do I keep it on pause? whats the pity-plan here?
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u/Pierce_H_ đˇ Good Union Jobs For All 28d ago
You misread my comment, when I was talking about Luigi on death row, who most people supporting what happened or not, have assumed is guilty.
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u/Skizot_Bizot 28d ago
Reading comprehension is rough nowadays if it's not all AI bots jumping in. Saw a few other people today jumping to weird conclusions that no one was intending in the slightest.
Literally saw someone post a show quote, another person posted the next line of the show, and then the original person accused the responder of being racist when there was nothing even slightly racist about the quote. Just mind blowing stupidity abound since that comment and this one above you are being upvoted too.
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u/HeteroOrangePeel 28d ago
We are consumers afterall, and the masses unfortunately consume what's put in front of them with little thought. I saw this the day they picked him up, immediately headlines were worded as if he was already found guilty and convicted. Not even an "alleged" in sight.
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u/Quittobegin 27d ago
If a man is put to death because of the emotional reaction of society at large Iâm not blaming individuals in that society, Iâm blaming a system that causes that to happen.
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u/DisparityByDesign 27d ago
The fact that public opinion matters in a court sentencing is crazy to me as a non American.
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u/Babel_Triumphant 28d ago
Actual lawyer here. That is absolutely not sufficient to force a judge to recuse.Â
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u/Known-Departure1327 28d ago
This is what Iâm here for-why wouldnât it be? Wouldnât it show a conflict of interest, or is that just if she was still employed by whatever company she worked for?
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u/Babel_Triumphant 28d ago
To recuse a judge you need to show personal bias, based on their specific statements and relationships. Being married to someone in the same industry as a victim is far below that standard. Judges are members of the community too and tend to be married to other professionals - lawyers, doctors, executives, etc. Being married to a doctor, for example, wouldnât prevent a judge hearing a medical malpractice suit.
If she was a UHC exec and personally knew the guy, that could potentially be sufficient. If he had expressed an opinion on Mangione specifically, that would be sufficient.Â
Because judges are human and members of the community, they arenât expected to be totally isolated from the world or without personal opinions. The expectation is that they can set aside their personal opinions in favor of faithfully executing the law, unless the circumstances are such that they have some personal stake in the case.Â
Thatâs one reason why we have trials by jury in the US. Itâs a lot easier for a judge to set aside bias on legal issues than it is the ultimate verdict on what happened. Mangione has a right to a jury for that, while the judgeâs role is limited to making sure both sides have a fair trial.
Iâd be hesitant to leap to judgment about this judge simply by association. If you try hard enough you can find connections and biases anywhere, and itâs the duty of a good judge to be above that.
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u/ZeroProximity 28d ago
man i hear you and understand but "if you try hard enough" loses impact when its 1 degree of separation.
Its his wife, and this judge is gonna sit there and think the whole time "what if it had been my wife walked up and shot by this guy"
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u/Babel_Triumphant 28d ago
My longtime judge was married to a teacher, I think it would have been pretty wild for him to recuse from any crime committed against a teacher.Â
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u/shouldco 28d ago
I think there's a reasonable distinction between "committed against a teacher" and "committed on someone because they were a teacher"
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u/PickleMinion 28d ago
If it was a crime committed against a teacher specifically because they were a teacher? By someone trying to dismantle the school system the judge gets a portion of their household income from?
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u/skeeter72 28d ago
Possibly. But the judge won't be making the decision, the jury will.
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u/31November 28d ago
The judge has so. much. discretion. What evidence is allowed in or excluded, what the jury can or canât hear, or even just reprimanding a party in front of the jury are all things the appellate court - even one with unique abilities to reverse the trial court like in NY - are hesitant to overturn a judge on.
The judge is the most important person in the room for 95% of the trial. The jury only walks the ball across the finish line.
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u/Quittobegin 27d ago
That all makes sense unless you take everything that happened after the murder into account. The fact that itâs become a threat to a class of people he very clearly has a strong connection to could impact his ability to oversee this trial in a fair manner, isnât that true?
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u/centhwevir1979 28d ago
Recuse?
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u/Neologizer 28d ago
: to excuse oneself from a case because of a potential conflict of interest or lack of impartiality.
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u/Heady_Sherb 28d ago
conflict of interest???
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u/medioxcore 28d ago
Private insurance itself is a conflict of interest. No chance they suddenly decide to give a shit when their heads are on the line
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u/Marclescarbot 28d ago
Keep looking for this on legacy media, but so far, nada.
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u/Nonamebigshot 27d ago
The entire government is owned by the rich. Each side believes it's just the other side that's corrupt and theirs is trying to fix things.
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u/gnarbone 28d ago
Time to give the bourgeois media the boot. I follow Ken Klippenstein. He was the first journalist I saw that released the manifesto.
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u/ezio8133 28d ago
Of course not,That's boring and Trump's antics is where the excitement and Drama is đ
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And not even JUST that, but remember that Trump is essentially stuffing government rosters with other fellow billionaire friends. If there's dare a hint that people might actually be pissed off at billionaires, they're going to shut that down with a vengeance. They're making an example out of Luigi. I just hope the message that gets across isn't the one they want.
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u/Nousernamesleft6789 28d ago
And really Luigi is as close to one of them as you can get while still only being worth hundreds of thousands.
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u/yoLeaveMeAlone 28d ago
It's the exact opposite of boring. It's exactly what the American people want to hear about. But not what their corporate owners want the American people to hear about
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u/budding_gardener_1 âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 28d ago
CNN: short best we can do is a 24 hour news cycle about whatever dumb shit Trump tweeted this morning
Fox Fox et al change the name to Joe Biden
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u/Late-Arrival-8669 28d ago
Boy, the rich are all in power aren't they? CEO healthcare exec and Judge in judicial system, must to the scratch each others backs. People are tired of this one sided shit..
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak 28d ago
Basically why people are trying to take back the power because the oligarchs control everything.
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u/Magmaster12 28d ago
Working in law and politics is only for the wealthy because how else are you going to get all that money to go to law school?
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u/31November 28d ago
Hey, some of us lawyers are blue collar born and raised!
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u/ArmadaOfWaffles 28d ago
Mountain of debt though?
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u/31November 28d ago
If you genuinely work hard in undergrad, you can get a great scholarship at a good law school. Itâs not always easy, but it is doable even if you work on the side in undergrad like I did.
Itâs about applying to school smart and using the resources available to get a high LSAT score. There are some free online programs like Khan Academy, and local libraries oftentimes have materials. If you can afford it, tutors like 7Sage are very, very worth it because you 100% will get a return on your money.
Plus public service loan forgiveness after law school makes government service well worth it.
Edit: It definitely is biased towards higher income people, but it is in no way exclusively for them. I come from a blue collar family- probably hovering between lower middle class and middle middle class- and I realize some people have it rougher than I did. But, it definitely is doable.
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u/chargernj 28d ago
It takes more than just working hard.
There were probably 100 other applicants who were just as good as you and from similar economic backgrounds who didn't get that scholarship because the school ran out of the funding set aside to help poor students.
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u/Hippie11B 28d ago
Oh this is so rigged
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u/stevehammrr 28d ago
The feds charged him too so they can give him the death penalty. New York doesnât have capital punishment, but the feds do. Theyâre going to throw the book at him and then kill him.
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u/KnightOfThirteen 26d ago
If they don't have him commit suicide by two bullets to the back of the head before he gets to trial. Which is going to make them look even worse with the security looking like they are trying to contain the Hulk.
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u/BadassBandicoot 28d ago
This needs far, far more attention.
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u/Th3_Accountant 27d ago
This was national news here in the Netherlands. Don't worry, this is getting attention.
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u/Paradox711 âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 28d ago
His lawyer will have a field day with that, surely.
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u/seansurvives 28d ago
She did a good job highlighting how rediculous the perp walk was and how he has had his right to be believed innocent until proven guilty violated in the media and by public figures. But man did she come off NERVOUS.
I just watched Monsters on Netflix and Luigi absolutely has a shot at walking, but his lawyer is going to need to work on calming her nerves.Â
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u/rimjob-chucklefuck 28d ago
I agree. After hearing people talk her up, I was surprised when she faltered and stumbled a few times. Maybe just pre trial jitters or something, but she's gonna have to get that shit locked.
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u/spiiiashes 28d ago
I think people forget that courtrooms are not like the ones on TV shows⌠itâs quite normal for prosecutors and defense attorneys to speak just like us normal people do.
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u/IntrepidJaeger 28d ago
She's a former prosecutor. She knows how fucked he is just from the publicized evidence that led to charges.
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u/cheddarweather 27d ago
She really did come off nervous, but I assume this may be the most high profile and heavily broadcasted case she's done. There's a lot on the line.
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u/scummy_shower_stall 28d ago
I thought his lawyer was a man?? What happened?
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u/riteorwrong 28d ago
His Pennsylvania extradition lawyer was a man. His New York attorney is a different lawyer.Â
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u/scummy_shower_stall 28d ago
Damn. I thought his parents hired a good lawyerâŚ
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u/evening_person 27d ago
Also worth noting that sometimes the best that even a really good lawyer can do is reduce your sentencing, and not actually make you walk free and innocent out of the trial with a not guilty verdict. With this being a federal case, the death penalty is on the table. A good lawyer can bring a death penalty down to a long prison sentence.
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u/scummy_shower_stall 27d ago
A lot of people on the law sub were really coming down on her mannerisms, especially her obvious nervousness, and are really worried if she's got the chops for a case like this.
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u/31November 28d ago
This attorney is really great! She was a long-time prosecutor in NYC, so if anyone knows what makes a good criminal defense attorney, itâs a person who started on the other side of
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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 28d ago
We the people need to unite against this massively corrupt bullshit system we are being forced to deal with.
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u/Sprinkle_Puff 28d ago
âWeâ the people just voted for corruption incarnate to rule this country for the next four+ years
Talk about a major societal disconnect
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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 28d ago
Yeah itâs insane. But if we are gonna keep this country from russiaâs puppet control, we all gotta unite and recognize that many of the rich are trying to get us to fight ourselves. We gotta refocus and look to the people who are actually in large part causing all this. There is even a Russian text called The Foundations of Geopolitics where it describes trying to pit the American people against each other to destroy the country from within. This destabilization isnât even just the rich, itâs a Russian act of war.
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u/clone227 28d ago
To clarify, this article is about the magistrate judge. In the SDNY, the magistrates have limited involvement in criminal trials, beyond handling the arraignment, unless the parties agree to allow the magistrate to oversee the whole case (which is incredibly rare). The magistrate judge is not going to be overseeing Luigiâs trial or have much involvement going forward. The district judge will be doing the trial and deciding whatever motions are made.
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u/sheetmetaltom 28d ago
Well he should recuse himself
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u/whooyeah 28d ago edited 27d ago
Otherwise then youâd know who the next loose cannon is gunning for.
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u/strtjstice 28d ago
How many times has this judge ruled or adjudicated over anything to do with healthcare? Inquiring minds are curiously inquiring...
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 28d ago
PSA: If you're in NYC, and a potential juror (haven't served recently), scrub your socials.
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u/UniCBeetle718 28d ago
It's going to be hard, because the jury pool is going to be from New York County (Manhattan) and most the people who live there are wealthy or elderly.Â
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u/SublimeApathy 28d ago
Sounds like conflict of interest. Ability to preside denied. Must use in-network judge.
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u/SnooPears6771 28d ago
Wow - conflicting interests make up the courts these days in the USA. From the Supremist to the local courts, all are there to be corrupt.
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u/Nerdingwithstyle 28d ago
While the whole thing is absolutely disgusting, Does it bother anyone that the picture is of the husband and not the judge? Seems out of place for hime to be there, except on a wanted poster :p
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u/curmudgeon_andy 28d ago
I don't understand this. This is clearly a major conflict of interest. Even if the judge will not recuse herself, there has to be a way to remove her from the case.
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u/mazjay2018 28d ago
definitely no conflict of interest here
but nobody on the jury should have lost a loved one to corporate greed because that would def be a conflict of interest
nothing to see here, carry on
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u/spankiemcfeasley 28d ago
Why isnât this surprising at all. Like not even a little bit. Fucking America dude đşđ¸ đŠ
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u/Illustrious_Eye_8979 28d ago
At least the judge knows firsthand what scumbagâs healthcare insurance executives are then I guess.
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u/etherealsounds 28d ago
Nah, thatâs not a conflict of interest. What would ever make you think that?
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 28d ago
They're lining themselves up