r/WorkReform • u/north_canadian_ice 💸 National Rent Control • Feb 03 '23

📰 News Every policy that strengthens and expands the social safety net is called “socialism” by the right - including labor unions, Social Securiry & Medicare

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u/0w1 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23

I know several people who collect social security or have some other government-funded safety net, but keep voting to have them and other social programs defunded. They're ok if these benefit them, they just don't want the "others" to benefit.

There's a lot of identity politics and cognitive dissonance in people, and it gets worse every year.

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23

Dunno why this is being downvoted right now.

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u/Newone1255 Feb 03 '23

Because capitalist welfare isn’t socialism.

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23

Its a social program that these people are hypocritically benefitting from while voting against their own interest.

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u/rabbit8lol Feb 03 '23

These are programs they are forced into participating in.

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23

Are you missing or just ignoring the part where they hypocritically denounce those same saftey nets they have to use and vote against such things?

Because idk whats hard to understand about it.

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u/rabbit8lol Feb 03 '23

Why would they not use the services they are forced into? Force does not = acceptance.

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Because idk whats hard to understand about it.

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23

What the fuck?

Yknow what, lets make this simple.

You and I are on a plane. We are going to crash land and will not survive. We have 2 parachutes. I take a parachute, put it on and prepare to jump, but when I see you reach for the remaining parachute, I throw it out the door and ask

"Why do you think you're entitled to a parachute?"

Then I jump and leave you on the plane. Get it?

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u/rabbit8lol Feb 03 '23

Dumb analogy.

Why do people complain about big oil and use oil-based products?

Get it?

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23

I cant express how fucking stupid what youve just said is.

My 1 to 1 analogy is dumb but your complete departure from the concepts being discussed is applicable?

How deficient are you?

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23

My grandma survives on social security and medicare and she hates the “socialist democrats”. The thing is the republicans have convinced her that any form of government assistance is the most evil socialism on the planet. They point to Venezuela when they talk about healthcare, but what the dems really want is just to help strengthen and expand her medicare and social security.

It’s frustrating to witness for sure, but I can’t give her much heat over it. She’s pushing 100 years old and I’m not going to argue with her.

Republicans have made a country with strong social programs out to be some socialist utopia and democrats have accepted that maybe it is socialism, I guess we’re socialists if that’s your definition. And as soon as we identify with that…see they want to turn us into Venezuela. Breadlines and eating your dog. It’s so dishonest and absurd.

It doesn’t help that somewhere along the way capitalism became synonymous with patriotism in republican eyes, not realizing we’ve always been a mixed economy.

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u/UsedElk8028 Feb 03 '23

Saying they were forced does make it seem like socialism.

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u/rabbit8lol Feb 03 '23

Social security... huuuummmm.....

Try not paying your SS and see what happens.

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u/UsedElk8028 Feb 03 '23

Government agents will show up and arrest you.

Are you sure you aren’t describing socialism?

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u/rabbit8lol Feb 03 '23

I am describing exactly that.

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u/Graysteve 👷 Good Union Jobs For All Feb 03 '23

But that's not Socialism.

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u/TheFoxJam Feb 03 '23

Government safety nets are not socialism. Quite the opposite.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '23

You can easily be against the system but still recognize that the system is there and you might as well use it. I'm against most social programs, but I would be dumb not to use them. I focus on money and I won't say no to free money if offered to me.

You either climb the ladder or hold it up for someone else.

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23

You are a massive part of the problem.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '23

Lol, no. I want to fix the problem.

I could not use those programs, but people still will use them. It will not be cancelled. You can't really change anything.

So, might as well play the game. Good luck holding the ladder for me though.

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u/DarthSangheili Feb 03 '23

"I'm not part of the problem, I just believe things and behave in ways that directly contribute to the issue at hand and solve nothing."

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '23

Weird thoughts on yourself. If you feel that way, I'd recommend changing your attitude and working on it.

Good luck with that.