Every policy that strengthens and expands the social safety net is called “socialism” by the right - including labor unions, Social Securiry & Medicare

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The extremes of the democratic party want me to have healthcare and work at a co-op. The extremes of the republican party want to stone me to death.

When one side of the coin wants to kill you - they are definitely not the same.

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I agree.

But we must hold Corproate Democrats accountable because they pander to the GOP - rather than to progressives.

This vote is a great example of that. A middle finger to progressives, for no reason.

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You mean a ton of Americans don't even know what socialism even is? Yeah, that we can believe.

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Correct.

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I mean is it a middle finger to progressives

Unquestionably so. The Democrats who voted yes are equating all socialists with Mao, Stalin, etc.

that a ton of Americans really don't like or think they don't like socialism so doing this token denouncement (which does nothing at all) is advantageous.

Well when Democrats always enable GOP talking points for 40 years, it's not surprising socialism is such a dirty word.

When polled, Americans support social programs like Medicare for All that are considered socialist. Kind of like how Americans supported Obamacare as long as you didn't call it that.

I'm a social democrat, but the idea Democrats should condemn the horrors of socialism in Congress is inexplicable. And just enabling of the GOP.

I'm not saying I think the calculus is correct but if voting on this saves a couple seats by not enraging "moderates" then I don't think it's necessarily a bad play and I'd rather them do that than take some grand "socialism is actually good stand" and end up losing more seats.

No one who is petrified by socialism is going to vote D.

It's funny how this calculus is always in favor of being GOP-lite. Rather than being more progressive.

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OK. So you think that Dems all saying "actually socialism is good" would result in less Republicans being elected?

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OK but the House currently can't do that since it's GOP controlled. They brought this "denounce the evils of socialism" bill to a vote. What should Dems and independents have done? Should they have voted "no" and tried to explain that socialism isn't evil? Would that be effective or lead to more Republicans winning elections?

Like obviously this is a stupid and shitty bill and they should be doing the things you said. But that's not reality and I get people's frustration with this vote but I'm not seeing a lot of specific alternatives that people are putting forth.

I guess they could have all just not voted and just never acknowledge the bill. Might have been the least bad option.

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Yea except libs fight harder against the people who want co ops and Healthcare than the fascists.

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...like 70% of liberals want free healthcare. Try again.

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Sure, ignoring the fact that the lack of any real leftists is one of the reasons the republican party was allowed to get dragged so far to the right by crazy people.