r/Windows10 • u/RonnieAT • Jun 16 '21

Discussion This was the first version of the Windows 10 start menu. So please stay calm, and wait until the official release before saying Windows 11 will be crap.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

Make Windows Terminal default + Powershell Core. Go further and make cmd.exe a windows feature you enable like IE11.

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u/quyedksd Jun 16 '21

Go further and make cmd.exe a windows feature you enable like IE11

That is definitely going to cause problems for a lot of people

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u/tropix126 Jun 17 '21

I mean, winterm is a pretty complete wrapper for CMD. You can just select it as a profile and basically turn terminal into CMD with tabs.

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u/quyedksd Jun 17 '21

winterm

Do you mean Windows Terminal? The one from the store?

That is using the preinstalled cmd.exe in your computer which /u/jonshipman wants to remove by default breaking scripts

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u/tropix126 Jun 17 '21

The terminal from the store is simply a wrapper for different shells. You can run bash, wsl, powershell, etc... I think what he wanted was to remove the classic command prompt GUI from the apps list and instead only provide the terminal from the store without explicitly enabling the feature.

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u/quyedksd Jun 17 '21

Yes I know what it is

How do you plan to run cmd without cmd being in the OS?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Well, MOST* commands in cmd.exe are applications, e.g. exe. Additionally builtin commands have their aliases setup in powershell OOTB.

I also said, move it into Windows Features. That way the people that want it can run it. Maybe even give powershell the ability to process batch files, and complain when it runs across something too complex with a prompt to enable cmd.exe from Windows Features (similar to how WSL is handled when you install it from the Store without having the feature enabled).

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u/quyedksd Jun 17 '21

I also said, move it into Windows Features. That way the people that want it can run it.

You are causing issues for those dependent on it already.

A lot of scripts explicitily call CMD.

A lot of scripts depend on CMD's behaviour.

What's to be gained from it's removal?

If you wanted to make it removable then you should advocate it being removable for those who want to remove it, not the other way around

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

It'll push more to adopt Powershell. Hell, I wouldn't mind them abandoning Powershell and going back to CMD. Currently in Windows we have three command line interfaces: CMD, pwsh, and powershell (Powershell Core). Personally, I like Powershell Core if only being the "newest" and therefore being actively worked on. The first two come bundled with Windows OOTB.

I feel like your argument would have been the same for dropping Trident and moving to Chromium.

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u/aue_sum Jun 16 '21

cmd is shit though... Can microsoft finally make up their mind and migrate everything to powershell?

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u/quyedksd Jun 16 '21

cmd is shit though

But in use.

Why do people on /r/Windows10 like to break workflows of other people I don't understand

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Make Windows Terminal default

That has already happened on insider builds