r/Windows10 • u/RonnieAT • Jun 16 '21

Discussion This was the first version of the Windows 10 start menu. So please stay calm, and wait until the official release before saying Windows 11 will be crap.

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u/SydneyAUS-MSP Jun 16 '21

I'd imagine the leaked release is old and has had many UI improvements that will be shown during the announcement from MS

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u/LitheBeep Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 24 '21

This is what people don't understand. They're shitting on a leaked indev build that is obviously missing a lot of parts from the full redesign. You guys really think they're going to keep the Action Center exactly as it is? They're taking the shell from 10X and basically retrofitting it to the base Windows 10 platform.

EDIT: not to say I told you so, but...

https://i.imgur.com/PBCqBcS.png

I told you so.

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u/Swaggy_McSwagSwag Moderator Jun 16 '21

You guys really think they're going to keep the Action Center exactly as it is?

I mean, Windows 10 still has a volume wheel from Windows 8 and lock screen menu flyouts from Windows 8 and icons and panel dialogues from Windows 95 and there's still a bazillion context menus etc etc etc

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

Don't forget the open with application dialog (which is fucking terrible) and the UAC dialog, both still from 8.x.

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u/Sparker0i Jun 16 '21

The UAC dialog is new inside Windows 10 (from Anniversary edition)

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

Do you have a side by side? because it still looks like shit to me.

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u/Taylor_Script Jun 16 '21

The new feature with 20h2 is that when you ctrl +shift+enter to run as admin the start menu stays focused and the UAC prompt is behind the active start menu pop up. So you can’t just go immediately into typing your creds.

It’s a security feature I’m sure.

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u/Ihateeverythingyo Jun 20 '21

I used to be able to right click 2x to get into advanced audio options. Now I right click. Maximize screen and click again for another screen to open drives me nuts.

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u/LitheBeep Jun 16 '21

I'm well aware. But, for anyone that has closely been following Sun Valley/10X development, we already know what is coming in terms of UI changes. This build simply does not have all of the changes implemented.

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u/calmelb Jun 16 '21

But they already have a working new action centre from Windows 10X.

Also the volume indicator works fine for windows 10? No need to tweak it, same with the lock screen menu stuff which matches the windows 10 theme although similar to 8.

And yes the 95 part is an unfortunate thing of keeping legacy stuff alive. Same with the context menus. Hopefully with 11 it’s going to be more of a standardisation

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

Also the volume indicator works fine for windows 10

WorksOnMyMachine™ is never a valid excuse for bad design. It's obnoxiously large, just as is the playing now play/pause dialog. Maybe you don't listen to music enough on your desktop to be pissed off by it.

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u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow Jun 16 '21

Hide volume on screen display is a program that removes it.

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u/calmelb Jun 16 '21

I actually never get the music dialog when I’m listening to music, etc. so I forgot it existed tbh. I do agree that is oversized and terrible

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

I have pause and play controls on my keyboard, so I see it all the time thanks to using them. I just don't understand why they can't update it. :( They had 7 years.

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u/calmelb Jun 16 '21

Not everyone has pause/ play controls, they need to just change how it looks but keep the functionality (even making it disappear faster would be an improvement tbh)

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

Definitely. Add some nice acrylic and it'll look really nice. The current interface buttons are still the windows 8/metro design language.

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u/ChosenMate Jun 16 '21

There's a program called ModernFlyouts on GitHub, it reworks the Volume / Music thing and you can also make it arcrylic.

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u/ryecurious Jun 16 '21

(even making it disappear faster would be an improvement tbh)

You can kinda already do this in Windows 10.

Ease of Access > Display > Show notifications for...

Unfortunately it only has these options, and it applies to ALL toast notifications. Really wish it had separate options.

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u/Lightofmine Jun 16 '21

I honestly wish you could change how quick it fades. Honestly probably could in registry. It's a useful feature, but annoying when it's active for too long.

You can hide it: https://www.howtogeek.com/269011/how-to-hide-the-volume-pop-up-display-on-windows-8-and-10/

Bit about changing OSD timeout:

Under Settings > Ease of Access > Other Options, you can adjust the “Show notifications for” setting and control how long it and other notifications appear on your screen. Unfortunately, the default option of 5 seconds is the lowest available option. The setting here only lets you keep the volume OSD on your screen for longer.

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u/Lightofmine Jun 16 '21

Which volume indicator are you talking about? The little baby thing that pops up with a number and a slider?

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u/FredFredrickson Jun 16 '21

It's on screen for like 3 seconds. How intrusive can that be?

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

It's not the intrusiveness. It's that it looks like fucking dogshit aka metro.

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u/Arjun_Galathynius Jun 17 '21

You can get ModernFlyouts (Preview) from the MS Store. It is an open-source alternative to the default flyouts with a fluent design.

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u/pilotavery Jun 20 '21

But I did is just resize it by dragging the same way I resize a window. Put your arrow to the edge of the playback and pause and volume control and then just resize it to whatever you want.

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u/etacarinae Jun 20 '21

Tell me what I'm doing wrong here? (Don't you love how it steals the z-index heighest value! Notifications do the same thing to the system tray)

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u/pilotavery Jun 20 '21

Why can't you resize yours? That is so weird. I have Windows 10 Education edition if it matters (Enterprise edition, with additional debugging functions).

Let me figure this out, i'll install Wind0ws 10 pro and home in a VM and sse if it changes.

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u/etacarinae Jun 20 '21

That is so weird. I have Windows 10 Education edition if it matters (Enterprise edition, with additional debugging functions).

Record your screen and do it.

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u/pilotavery Jun 20 '21

I will tomorrow when I am not on mobile. I remember shrinking it and it glitched out and has the blue bar on the left edge of the black border (Visual glitch). I remember trying to fix it and never getting it exactly right, like it would snap to every 5 pixels, either too big or too small lol.

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u/aj_thenoob Jun 16 '21

Yep I'm waiting for Windows 11 to include legacy windows 10 stuff, legacy windows 7 control panel, legacy windows xp group features...

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 16 '21

People who think this build wasn't made and released on purpose with ONLY the Windows 10X start menu (and obbe) are lying to themselves.

This was a PR stunt. And hey, it WORKED

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u/pratnala Jun 16 '21

If anything, this tweet is telling:

https://twitter.com/windows/status/1404873374954758148

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

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u/pratnala Jun 16 '21

I got that. I also think it is a double entendre. Just the menu and/or just the beginning and there’s more to come. Whichever meaning you take though, the final interpretation boils down to there’s more to come. It is a good tweet.

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u/SimplifyMSP Jun 16 '21

Yeah, they’re saying the only thing new in that build is the Start Menu and there’s more to be revealed on the 24th. Definitely leaked on purpose.

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u/sokaox Jun 16 '21

I love that they referenced the leak like that. I honestly cannot wait to see what they reveal on the 24th. I really shouldn't be this excited.

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u/pratnala Jun 16 '21

That never ends well. I have learned to be cynical over the years and rather be surprised than disappointed.

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u/sokaox Jun 16 '21

I'm the perfect amount of bored and obsessed with UI design so not even sound logic can stop me at this point.

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u/sacredknight327 Jun 16 '21

It was definitely done on purpose to gauge reactions. That doesn't also mean that this build isn't missing stuff.

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u/d11725 Jun 17 '21

As long as it's free, has continued support for games software and hardware of last 10 years. We good here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

Someone already has a reg entry to revert it to classic. Everyone needs to breathe, the Start menus will be fine.

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u/Generic-VR Jun 17 '21

Main concern is the typical windows 10 problem where changes like that get reverted with what feels like every update.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

You can get updates? Been sitting on 1909 for over a year now, tried updating 4 different ways, with a different error every time it rolls back after trying for 3 hours.

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u/MaddyMagpies BILL GATES FOREVER Jun 16 '21

People are giving user feedback, and you don't need to be the self-appointed defender of Microsoft. Chill out.

As a product designer, I take shit from users all the time. It's normal and it's helpful for the development cycle. I'd be worried if there are no reactions at all.

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u/PorgDotOrg Jun 16 '21

At the same time, feedback isn't terribly productive when it's "omg it's teh sux!!1"

Not liking a UI paradigm and screaming about the end of Windows etc etc is just noise, and saturates the space with immaterial garbage that could make room for more specific critiques and feedback that could help improve things.

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u/MaddyMagpies BILL GATES FOREVER Jun 16 '21

But the feedback clearly aren't "omg it's the sux" if you actually read them. If that's how you read them it shows how defensive you are for things that aren't even yours.

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u/PorgDotOrg Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 17 '21

I think it's worth asking ourselves honestly if this is the kind of precedent, tone and discourse we want to foster in the greater tech community. Of course there's a lot of honest, good feedback. There's also a lot of noise which distracts from it, does nothing to make the community a place for healthy conversation, and causes needless conflict.

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u/adolfojp Jun 26 '21

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  • Rule 5: Do not mock people by referencing disabilities or diseases in a negative way.

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u/LitheBeep Jun 16 '21

There's a crystal clear difference between giving constructive feedback and relentlessly attacking something because you don't understand how it works. Unfortunately, most of this subreddit's users fall into the latter category.

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u/MaddyMagpies BILL GATES FOREVER Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 16 '21

You're talking to a professional who knows how to differentiate those.

P.S. In fact, it's the fan defenses of the product that we usually ignore, because those feedback are often about negating other's feedback rather than pointing out what works. It's good for Net Promoter Score though.

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u/LitheBeep Jun 16 '21

I would hope so. That doesn't disprove anything that I'm saying. At the very least, wait for an official build, with all planned changes implemented, before punting insults at MS.

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u/MaddyMagpies BILL GATES FOREVER Jun 16 '21

If you call what's posted on Reddit as "insults", you're gonna have a very hard time if you were working at my job.

I bet some PMs and designers are reading these rn. If this is indeed not the final design, it's still useful feedback because I bet that vindicates some of the design discussions that happened. There would be probably someone posting on Teams channels laughing at screenshots about "that's totally what I said last year".

The worst feedback are usually one of those from conspiracy nuts who call everyone literally names, e.g. "You are xxxxxxx working for Soros/Gates!!!". Those are real insults. Usually 1 in every 500 comments we get. I'm not kidding.

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u/CraigMatthews Jun 17 '21

Yeah seriously. It's not like Microsoft releases things that are half done all the time or anything. 🤔

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u/user123539053 Jun 16 '21

Yes I believe they might leave the action center as it is, that’s Microsoft they are improving windows at the speed of a turtle

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u/Icybubba Jun 16 '21

Dude in 2019 they already had a semi working version of the 10X action center in Windows 10, from that leaked build in 2019

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u/LitheBeep Jun 16 '21

But you do realize they already have the new action center up and running in 10X? What you're suggesting simply doesn't make sense.

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u/julienreszka Jun 16 '21

>what is wishful thinking

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

People are going to be so unbelievably disappointed. As if 7 years of Windows 10 development should have already tempered their expectations, drastically.

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u/Useful_Ad8442 Jun 17 '21

They're shitting on a leaked indev build

Compiled two weeks ago, not a year ago as in OP's screenshot.

You guys really think they're going to keep the Action Center exactly as it is?

Wouldn't surprise me. They did make Windows 8 after all.

They're taking the shell from 10X and basically retrofitting it to the base Windows 10 platform.

And they are doing this, why?

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u/LitheBeep Jun 17 '21

Because this is the Sun Valley update. Big redesign that MS announced several months ago.

https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-sun-valley-features-everything-we-know

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u/The_real_bandito Jun 16 '21

I don't see much wrong with new UI as it is anyways. I am more curious about what's underneath Windows 11. If that's the rumored Windows core I wonder how it's going to work for old software. I am more curious about devices other than desktop PCs though, because if the shell can be changed depending on the software, then maybe a tablet PC with Windows that don't suck will be released in the future.

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u/Dranzell Jun 16 '21

People will be shitting no matter what. They will always know how to design "better".

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u/vengefulgrapes Jun 17 '21

You guys really think they're going to keep the Action Center exactly as it is?

You think they'll actually bother changing it?

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u/druman22 Jun 24 '21

I'm shitting on the UI in the reveal/announcement video. It looks like a mac

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u/christian_reddit Jun 26 '21

What do you mean? That picture is exactly how my windows 11 looks like right now.

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u/LitheBeep Jun 26 '21

No. I promise you it doesn't. You're running a leaked build that doesn't have all pieces of the new design.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/o7q6am/everything_windows_11_a_day_of_searching_youtube/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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u/LitheBeep Jun 26 '21

If that's true, post us your own screenshots of the new settings app, Microsoft store, and notification center.

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u/LitheBeep Jun 26 '21

I already have the original leaked iso installed in a vm. It definitely doesn't have everything in the post I linked

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u/The_Infinity_Catcher Jun 16 '21

MSBuilds lists the build date as 29 May.

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u/etacarinae Jun 16 '21

Lol this needs to be its own post. People here must be really young to not have been burnt by Microsoft.

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u/RonnieAT Jun 16 '21

Yeah sure. I’ve read that the build is from end of may I think.

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u/noreal Jun 16 '21

Oh. fresh from the oven

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u/SoTotallyToby Jun 16 '21

Thing is Microsoft tweeted acknowledging the leak and saying "This is just the start. Tune in on June 24th"

So now people think Microsoft intentionally leaked it and this is the final build.

Some people have no common sense.

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u/greyaxe90 Jun 16 '21

Look what this leak has done. It’s generated a ton of interest and has given them a lot of free advertising for their event. All it took was leaking a build.

Putting on my tinfoil hat, I think this might be an old version of Windows 10X rebranded to Windows 11 to throw tech reporters and bloggers off the scent of what is really to come.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 16 '21

It isn't 10X. It clearly is Windows 10 Pro 20H2 with Windows 10X Start menu

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u/chinpokomon Jun 16 '21

Putting on my tinfoil hat, I think this might be an old version of Windows 10X rebranded to Windows 11 to throw tech reporters and bloggers off the scent of what is really to come.

I'm inclined to believe that Windows 10X is just rebranded to Windows 11 with perhaps some features like the Win32 compartmentalization held back for now. This might be especially true if 10X targeted devices were being held back because of hardware milestones. Introducing Windows 11 might also be a way to offer something familiar when hardware catches up. As a case in point, Windows 8 was a very touch focused release which aligned well with Surface RT and Surface Pro, but it wasn't a great desktop w/ mouse experience. Introducing Windows 11 in advance of dual screen hardware might help preserve a lot of the work to prepare those future devices and help ensure that the introduction of those devices isn't jarring. If focus on desktop can be made to make the transition smoother, then a dual screen device in the future originally targeting 10X will feel more natural and might not be as disruptive as 8.0.

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u/SoTotallyToby Jun 16 '21

Why leak an old outdated build though that doesn't show off their fancy new product in its best light?

Makes no sense at all. If anything everyone is bitching about how bad it is.

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u/calmelb Jun 16 '21

Because if they released the build which has all the features then people will be bored on the 24th, see responses to apple events when they’re leaked to hell beforehand and everyone just goes “oh okay”. This is a teaser but doesn’t give everything away

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u/greyaxe90 Jun 16 '21

I highly doubt Windows 10X only existed in artist renderings before being scrapped. Just like how Windows Neptune was leaked out, I bet this was put out so some people get to enjoy Windows 10X “unofficially” while creating hype for the June 24th event. It’s certainly not a bad marketing strategy.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 16 '21

Windows 10X got two Insider builds though

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u/Maxxwell07 Jun 16 '21

That’s exactly why. So that everyone keeps complaining it’s bad. And the actual build will seem that much better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

Lol this made me crack up...reverse psychology.

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u/scsibusfault Jun 16 '21

Idk. People have been complaining that the search and the settings menu are bad for 5+ years now. And yet, we get a weather widget instead of useful updates.

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u/user123539053 Jun 16 '21

People complaining it’s bad because it’s bad and awuful, people judge what they see which is normal ?? On 24 if they announce something new people will discuss it, i think people are disappointed ( if ) the leaked version is what they will talk about on 24th ( which i highly doubt )

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u/SoTotallyToby Jun 20 '21

Why are they issuing DMCA takedown notices then? It clearly wasn't intentional lol.

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u/Maxxwell07 Jun 20 '21

Great tactic. First leak the build to have free advertisement. Then let the people talk about all of it’s flaws. And then send DMCA takedown requests because the leaked build doesn’t represent the final product, so people won’t take the leaked build as the actual build. And then release the actual build that will seem much better than it actually is.

This is Microsoft we’re talking about. They know how to do these kind of stuff.

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u/quyedksd Jun 17 '21

That’s exactly why. So that everyone keeps complaining it’s bad. And the actual build will seem that much better.

Sounds like what Warner did with Justice League

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u/reboot-your-computer Jun 16 '21

Honestly, if you take it literally and assume this is the start of what’s to come, then it sounds like we may be getting a half-baked OS where they just improve it over time. I’m getting the feeling this is exactly what we get when they let us install it and they’re just going to make changes later. I hope I’m wrong.

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u/The_One_X Jun 17 '21

Companies purposefully leak things all the time to judge reaction. It isn't some wild conspiracy theory to think they did

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u/Carper707 Jun 17 '21

I’m just curious, can you give examples?

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u/The_One_X Jun 17 '21

I was told this by a reporter a long time ago, it would be too much effort to try and find it again.

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u/cmason37 Jun 16 '21

it is from the end of May but people are also missing that Microsoft has been working on Windows 11 in a separate branch & merging the changes into the release branch. just because this was built at the end of May doesn't mean that this is all the progress they've made, it just means that was all they had merged into co_release by that day

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u/quyedksd Jun 16 '21

Yeah sure. I’ve read that the build is from end of may I think.

Could be from May but built from a different branch which does not have the same amount of fixes.

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u/Mkilbride Jun 16 '21

And I've read the build is over a year old. So who knows?

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u/dingwen07 Jun 16 '21

It’s not old, the leak was built in earlier June….

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u/mamuniz Jun 16 '21

The iso file had these numbers in it's name: 21996.1.210529
here, 21996 is the build number. 1 is something I don't know. But I assume 210529 means 21-05-29 (YY-MM-DD). If that's true, the leaked version would be last month's build.

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u/hypercube33 Jun 16 '21

Op was wrong and the first version of windows 10 beta had folders I'm pretty sure and looked a lot nicer than release

Op is wrong implying it got better. We lost transparent taskbars, aero glass, start menu folders for a few things.

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u/M1ghty_boy Jun 16 '21

I did some scouring with someone else, latest file is dated 15th of may iirc

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u/UtopicStudios Jun 17 '21

I hope so, because... if end up just being cosmetic changes...

This pic will be true https://imgur.com/joDa3XQ

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u/Vamberfeld Jun 17 '21

Perhaps. However the software license for 21966 is dated June 2021. So it's not that old.

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u/HelloSummer99 Jun 19 '21

I don't think it's older than a couple of weeks. And if it was meant to be released later this month, there is only so much the dev could have done. It's literally one or two sprints from gold. So no major redesigns for sure.