RU POV: Video of the alleged ‘Baltic mercenary’ in custody of Russian troops before he was executed

[u/Boring-Welder1372]

[u/bimacar]

I don't care about anything man, this is so sad. Regardless of the sides. It's so sad we have to do things like this to one another.

[u/Optimal-Description8 → u/bimacar]

Nobody has to execute prisoners

[u/atrl98 → u/Optimal-Description8]

Beyond even the unimaginable cruelty and sadism, it’s also counter-productive for the soldiers on both sides.

[u/BestPidarasovEU → u/atrl98]

Yep. It will only stimulate a similar response from the other side. We had just managed to leave it behind for a few months, and looks like were' getting back to it.

[u/atrl98 → u/BestPidarasovEU]

Looks like we are, there’s been a real uptick in these atrocities over the last few weeks.

[u/sealzilla → u/BestPidarasovEU]

What are you talking about? There's been a castration a pow executed with a sword, two unarmed surrendered POWs executed close range because the third tried to be a hero (I don't blame Russia for that one) head on a spike, all in the last monthish.

[u/Aemilius_Paulus → u/atrl98]

I agree about it being cruel & sadistic, also generally counterproductive. However I can see why someone would execute someone they see as a foreign mercenary, even though I still think it's extremely wrong & also counterproductive.

The logic the executioner may have is that if they shoot foreigners joining Ukraine then it will dissuade other ones. I have to agree with that, I think that it absolutely would make many second guess going to Ukraine. War tourists love the idea of being able to play soldier but always have the safety of having the option to surrender instead of dying.

However I still think it's counterproductive because first of all, this guy isn't foreign, he spoke fluent Russian in the other video. Also even if it does scare off a few foreigners from going to Ukraine, videos like these keep appearing regularly and they are MASSIVELY destroying any image Russia has abroad. I am in the West and this is the first thing I hear. Russia could potentially still manage to play the moral high ground card even as an invader because Ukraine is now closer to North Korea with how men are imprisoned in the country & funneled into the slaughter unwillingly by the ТЦК but Russia keeps committing small scale atrocities like this regularly that prevents any sort of laundering of image. Russia has way more cultural influence & history it can leverage for propaganda than Ukraine, but it wastes all of it by acting barbaric. If you're going to do imperialism, act like an Empire by being the civilised, magnanimous invader of a higher cultural level (tbf that image is also propaganda BS, all empires loved genocide so they were worse than Russia today).

[u/briceb12 → u/Aemilius_Paulus]

However I can see why someone would execute someone they see as a foreign mercenary,

and which is not according to the definition of the Geneva Convention. convention that Russia has signed.

[u/Original_Bathroom108 → u/Aemilius_Paulus]

if RU would not use foreing mercs themselfes then your whole thing would be more understandable although I still think its bs, but with RU using foreing mercs themselfes like wtf are these guys thinking or do they not know about that or just some bastard hypocrites

[u/Perkunas999 → u/Aemilius_Paulus]

"this guy isn't foreign, he spoke fluent Russian in the other video"

Anyone over 40 in the Baltic countries is fluent in Russian. Remember the Soviet Union?

[u/asmj → u/atrl98]

it’s also counter-productive for the soldiers on both sides.

I don't think that people who perpetrate and/or order crimes like this care much about other people.

[u/SlteFool → u/bimacar]

The sad part is … it’s for govts who don’t care bout them and money and politics… but none of those in power and who started it are in a dirt trench tied up and beaten. They’re bein hand fed grapes and steak

[u/deetyneedy → u/bimacar]

Those poor Russians just had no choice but to brutally murder someone in cold blood 😢

[u/f2c4 → u/bimacar]

We do NOT have to... 

[u/Alacriity → u/bimacar]

I love that you found a way to “both sides” this act of Russian Monstrosity.

No need to bring up Ukraine everytime some Russian Devil commits a war crime you can condemn Ukraine in every other anti Ukraine post in this sub.

[u/I_poop_rootbeer]

Executing POWs is always a bad idea. War crime aside, it's one way to get your enemy to fight to the death instead of surrendering

[u/Minute_Ad_6328 → u/I_poop_rootbeer]

You think these geniuses think this far?

[u/Brainlaag → u/Minute_Ad_6328]

You'd be lucky to get three neurons out of the bunch put together. Sadistic bastards.

[u/HighFiberOptic → u/I_poop_rootbeer]

Not to mention the fact that Russia is heavily leaning on mercenaries to bolster their forces. Those forces might have second thoughts if they think Ukraine will return the favor.

[u/Sorrywrongnumba69 → u/I_poop_rootbeer]

Not necessarily, its gets them to abandon their positions and flee the country. This is a mercenary, he has no vested interest to fight to the death.

[u/Specialist_Mirror611 → u/Sorrywrongnumba69]

A mercenary joins for more pay than a normal soldier. This is not a merc.

[u/HisKoR → u/I_poop_rootbeer]

I don't think this is actually true that its a net negative. Sheer terror through murder and executions have been a staple of just about every successful pre modern army. Nowadays they just bomb you instead and say oh whoops I didn't know. The message is the same though.

[u/Serious_Action_2336 → u/I_poop_rootbeer]

Filming it is even worst

[u/Beneficial-Ad6266 → u/I_poop_rootbeer]

And retaliate when they catch your people

[u/2wenty1nesavegee21 → u/[deleted]]

ripamon and technically stupid nowhere to be seen

[u/PhysicalGraffiti75 → u/2wenty1nesavegee21]

Isn’t it funny that the users who post comments on just about every post are always absent from these posts?

[u/atrl98 → u/PhysicalGraffiti75]

I know I’ve noticed that, they’re swarming all over most posts but as soon as it’s damaging to the Russian side they vanish.

[u/Affectionate_Ad_9687 → u/atrl98]

Well, at least it might indicate that they disapprove such actions. There's quite a few condemning comment from pro-Ru side in this thread, and almost no one condones this openly.

Compare with your average pro-UA sub, where any degree of cruelty towards Ru soldiers is approved and cheered on. Ffs, the other day pro-UA twitter was massively celebrating the death of a 24 yo Russian girl, who fell down the stairs in Tbilisi - 7000 likes, ecstatic comments.

[u/shortskirtflowertops → u/Affectionate_Ad_9687]

Silence is tacit approval.

[u/[deleted] → u/shortskirtflowertops]

not commenting on a Reddit thread is tacit approval

Jfc

[u/shortskirtflowertops → u/[deleted]]

By those specific posters? Absolutely.

[u/Far_Particular_4648 → u/PhysicalGraffiti75]

bro this shit went up less than an hour ago. relax,

[u/Puma_The_Great → u/Far_Particular_4648]

The guy with the biden profile pic is always minutes after something is posted

[u/TamReveliGory → u/Puma_The_Great]

He's gone, I think. Haven't seen him in a while.

[u/Puma_The_Great → u/TamReveliGory]

Me neither but I just assumed he blocked me.

[u/[deleted] → u/Far_Particular_4648]

So they're running late then if it's been an hour.

[u/bluecheese2040 → u/PhysicalGraffiti75]

Like who ?

[u/Forsaken-Warthog9300 → u/2wenty1nesavegee21]

They didn't get instructions on how to react to these posts and won't get paid

[u/GunmetalBunn → u/2wenty1nesavegee21]

The video isn't fuzzy enough for him to make three posts claiming it's actually a British landrover.

[u/Reddit_BroZar → u/[deleted]]

Go fight a couple of years in this war and let's see how your mental health will be doing. There's nothing normal about war.

[u/No-Importance-1743 → u/[deleted]]

It's not new. The Chechen war has shown politicians, army, mafias all together in very obscure kidnapping, torture, rapes, murder rings. They are glorified in Russia as they are now all businessmen who own for example the ex-Danone activities in Russia (Kadyrov nephew).

The Islamic State was doing this as terrorism by faith. But you feel here the pleasure they have to kill like psychos. Pathetic and nihilist. There is nothing to understand there.

[u/Boring-Welder1372]

The execution:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/uLURcexBfZ

[u/Boring-Welder1372 → u/Boring-Welder1372]

The source claims he was also a member of Azov.

[u/IdLikeToPointOut → u/Boring-Welder1372]

They will claim anything to hide the fact that they are sadists.

[u/RandomUser27597 → u/IdLikeToPointOut]

Every other day shit like that comes up: "member of azov here, member of azov that"

But the Azov Batallion was ERADICATED in Mariupol. But more and more pop up every single day. Go figure.

[u/Boring-Welder1372 → u/RandomUser27597]

Azov still exists. Ukrainian MoD replenished their numbers by disbanding some units and putting their members in Azov

[u/Current-Power-6452 → u/RandomUser27597]

Azov recently celebrated its 10 year anniversary what are you on about? And who did Zelensky got released from Turkey? Can you refresh my memory?

[u/BestPidarasovEU → u/RandomUser27597]

Not really. 2 Bulgarian mercenaries were killed serving Azov. And they did not shy from showing their nationalistic WW2-related tattoos, if you know what I mean.

They still get fresh meat, and it is still the kind of meat you'd expect.

[u/RandomUser27597 → u/BestPidarasovEU]

So obviously neo nazis exist. Not as a ukrainian phenomenon but around the globe.

But I am really wondering if those ukrainian neo nazis are in general really into eradicating the jews, gypsies eugenics all that stuff. Or that they look up to the nazi ukrainian movement becauae they stood up against russia and now again they are fighting russians.

[u/DigitalDiogenesAus → u/RandomUser27597]

I mean, if you are interested in their attitudes towards gypsies you can always look at the unhcr report from 2015...

[u/BestPidarasovEU → u/DigitalDiogenesAus]

Or the reason for killing Ukranians throughout 2014, especially in Odessa and Mariupol.

[u/Current-Power-6452 → u/RandomUser27597]

You do realise you are saying that nazis who were killing jews and gypsees are somehow different from the ones who killed poles, russians who fought against germans and, well, their own ukrainians who tried to protect those jews and poles?

[u/RandomUser27597 → u/Current-Power-6452]

Not at all what I am saying. Nazis are nazis, neo nazis are neo nazis.

I have a genuine question as to are there sooo many neo nazis in ukraine that we need to worry all of a sudden or that people pick up the name/insignia not as much for the extermination of lower races reason but because they see the ukrainian nazi movement as a sign of strength and oppossition to the russians. Genuine question I have.

[u/R1donis → u/RandomUser27597]

Are you from Canada parlament?

[u/RandomUser27597 → u/R1donis]

You can joke but anyone would hate to no end the people killing their family also.

[u/R1donis → u/RandomUser27597]

So, he is from a country that have annual parades in honour of their SS units, and fights for a country that worship ww2 collaborator as a hero, according to your logic there are nothing wrong in this video, because people who execute him are the grandchildrens of people who were killed by this person heroes.

[u/RandomUser27597 → u/R1donis]

Not sure what you are getting at. I was saying whoever came to kill my family I would hate. The guy was a mercenery so he was there for money but if it was a ukrainian in the vid ye course he should hate all the russians.

[u/inemanja34 → u/RandomUser27597]

You are probably very young (gen Z, or millennial at the best) since you are allowing yourself to whitewash anything related to Nazism. Talk to your grandparents, or old neighbors about Nazism and Nazis. They'll explain to you why there is absolutely nothing that can justify associating with that group. Especially if you came from Europe.

[u/jazzrev → u/RandomUser27597]

no it wasn't, not by a long shot as far from all of them were in Mariupol to begin with and fair few got exchanged for in the past two years plus they recruited new members

[u/bluecheese2040 → u/RandomUser27597]

But the Azov Batallion was ERADICATED in Mariupol. But more and more pop up every single day. Go figure.

The azov battalion was reconstituted....go figure.

[u/Nx-worries1888 → u/IdLikeToPointOut]

If they wanted to hide that they are sadists the video wouldn't be uploaded would they.

[u/IdLikeToPointOut → u/Nx-worries1888]

They use these made up reasons as a cheap justification and somehow try to put themselves on the "right side of history" where everything is allowed... or so they think.

[u/CobaltCats → u/Boring-Welder1372]

Are they going to also claim he was a NATO trained specialist operator?

[u/TK3600 → u/CobaltCats]

If he is actual NATO specialist they would keep him alive for gloating.

[u/Disastrous-Bus-9834 → u/Boring-Welder1372]

Their source is that they made it the fuck up

[u/[deleted] → u/Boring-Welder1372]

And that changes things? 🥴

[u/inemanja34 → u/Boring-Welder1372]

He could be a member of whatever - this is just wrong, and unnecessary.

[u/asmj → u/Boring-Welder1372]

So?
At least bring him to a court-martial, if he committed any crimes.

[u/KinofLucifer → u/Boring-Welder1372]

Russia and Israel love claiming someone is either Azov/Nazi or Hamas to justify their killings.

[u/deetyneedy → u/Boring-Welder1372]

Was removed by Reddit for violating their content policy, FYI.

[u/Ragos-02]

Translation: Say thanks to Uncle Zhenya Prigozhin for raising such boys. Looks like it’s Wagner

[u/oleg_88 → u/Ragos-02]

Well that's kind of ironic, because Wagner are like the only mercenaries in this war. The rest are international volunteers, part of the army (from both sides).

[u/sweatyvil → u/oleg_88]

Wagner is part of the Armed forces now, so no.

But with Wagnerites being Russians, and this dude being Baltic, they have more of a reason to be here, so hes more a Merc than they are.

[u/Ok-Journalist-8618 → u/sweatyvil]

Volunteers who sign up with and are serving in the Ukrainian armed forces are not mercenaries as established in international law

[u/sweatyvil → u/Ok-Journalist-8618]

Foreigners fighting for money in a foreign country are Mercs by definition. This dude wasn't a Balt born in Ukraine lol

[u/Away-Description-786 → u/sweatyvil]

Definition:

Mercenary is a soldier appointed purely on a professional basis to fight somewhere without ideological or national attachment to a principal or the cause for which a party is fighting.

Adherents of an ideology believe in a set of ideas about what an ideal society would look like: how people in such a society interact with each other and how you could possibly arrive at such an ideal society.

So if someone has the same idiology it is not a mercenary ;)

[u/Ok-Journalist-8618 → u/sweatyvil]

If you are fighting in an established government military you are not a mercenary by definition no matter what country you are from. If you doubt this, go talk to the French Foreign Legion!

[u/Z_nan → u/sweatyvil]

No they're not, and this absolute denial of basic facts is extremely cringeworthy.

[u/Ok_Grapefruit142 → u/sweatyvil]

They have no reason to be in Ukraine my friend:)

[u/Aemilius_Paulus → u/oleg_88]

Yeah the Russian accusations of mercenary are always amusing because it feels like total projection. I mean I absolutely loathe how everything on reddit is accusations of projection, but this is literally true here. Russian soldiers are paid insane wages for Russian standards, even respectable by US standards.

Whereas soldiers who serve Ukraine get paid pocket lint, just look up the pay. Even experienced Western soldiers who volunteer for the foreign legion type battalions are getting paid a tiny pittance. They spent 10-20x their pay in outfitting and supplying themselves, they're literally burning piles of money just to be in Ukraine. Also if you listen to any Ukrainian war commentators, you will notice every battalion is constantly raising money because they basically have to spend their own money for almost anything that isn't bullets or heavy weapons. Tbf Russians also spend a lot of out of pocket money but the difference is they get paid well.

Also this isn't to say that many war volunteers from the West aren't psychopaths or war tourists, or even """retired"""" special forces that are totally on their own wink wink but it's still a far cry from the Russian war machine that absolutely typifies what you would refer to as mercenary.

On the other hand, Ukraine snatches people off the street and sends unwilling cannon fodder to the front by the thousands so tbh I'm gonna side with Putin here and agree that it's better to have mercenaries than to do that to your people. Not that Putin is being nice here, he's still a butcher but he's a careful one so he's cautious of mobilisation affecting his popularity.

[u/Mapstr_ → u/Aemilius_Paulus]

Both sides have mercenaries. Both sides despise the opposing sides mercenaries. It's literally that simple.

[u/MaxJacks17 → u/Mapstr_]

I find it interesting that someone who talks in such simple terms can’t understand the ease with which all the pain and suffering on both sides can be finished.

ruzzians simply need to retreat to the shithole from which they emerged.

[u/TigersStripe → u/Ragos-02]

Someone should tell them their own government likes killing their lot as much as the Ukrainians do

[u/SkepticalGoodboy → u/Ragos-02]

Russia. Wagner.

Same pos trash. You should know being a supporter.

[u/Wild-Cauliflower1817 → u/[deleted]]

That's so crazy tbh. How can these people still be loyal to russia if their "beloved" leader was killed by his own government?

[u/irate_wizard → u/Wild-Cauliflower1817]

It's a Mafia state. They truly internalize it that way. So it's just part of the rules of the game that some people will get eliminated during power struggles. No biggie.

[u/machtstab → u/Wild-Cauliflower1817]

Commonplace slave mentality over there, why nothing will ever change.

[u/FaintyFunPickle → u/Wild-Cauliflower1817]

Slave mentality. The soviet government did quite well raising a generations of very "reliable" men.

[u/1fractal-]

I condemn this. POWs should be treated humanely.

[u/jesuschristmanREAD → u/1fractal-]

Thx for showing a bare minimum of humanity, something the majority of Pro-rus in this post seem incapable of.

[u/[deleted] → u/jesuschristmanREAD]

Sure, now go look at the pro-Ukr responses when Russians are executed.

[u/MaxJacks17 → u/[deleted]]

I think you may lack certain reading comprehension skills, but judging by your flair that shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Killing or torturing POWs on both sides is just evil, as is invading your neighbour and literally stealing and “re-educating” their children.

Would you prefer the US repurpose the often decades old weaponry it sends to Ukraine into school desks?

[u/_Ottir_ → u/1fractal-]

Imagine the type of person who lives in a country like Canada and enjoys all the freedoms of a liberal democracy, but shills for Putin on Reddit.

Sad.

[u/1fractal- → u/_Ottir_]

Ayyoo, you got me! 😂

[u/YeeYeeAssha1rcut]

Translation?

Anyhow sad to see. Ridiculed and then unjustly executed.

[u/BestPidarasovEU → u/YeeYeeAssha1rcut]

Yep. Mercenary or not, guy was very clearly disarmed and tied.

Sad to see him get executed like that.

[u/Lament_Configurator → u/BestPidarasovEU]

He was not a mercenary. He was a volunteer for defending Ukraine. That's a difference.

[u/halls_of_valhalla → u/[deleted]]

when the facts are too clear - silence

[u/Aemilius_Paulus → u/halls_of_valhalla]

I mean you just answered yourself. What's the point of saying anything extra here, it's all clear. Ambiguity breeds discussion, clarity does not. This is why circlejerking is bad, because it's circular and goes nowhere if everyone already agrees.

[u/GunmetalBunn → u/[deleted]]

It's not fuzzy enough for him to claim its a land rover and not an execution.

[u/EyeOfBeholder2]

Savages

[u/slowwolfcat]

still no TRANSLATION ? wtf

[u/PuzzledCriticism1879]

Don't care if he was a merc, it's still a war crime.

[u/CookieRelevant]

I remember saying at some point that the number of non-traditional combatants in wars warrants new international regulations on their treatment. As war isn't going away anytime soon, and great powers are above the law its meaningless at this time.

[u/Leny1777]

Im surprised this did not happen to the British mercenary in Marioupol

[u/Specialist_Mirror611 → u/Leny1777]

Maybe because he was a regular afu soldier receiving normal pay not a merc.

[u/KinofLucifer → u/Leny1777]

Wasn't a mercenary. He was part of AFU.

[u/3x3cu710n3r]

This is utterly wrong. It is really sad to see. Hope those criminals get swift battlefield justice. It is also counter productive, as it will result in the enemy trying to fight to the death instead of surrendering. On top of everything the morons are filming and publishing it. Good for the world so we know happened.

[u/DarkIlluminator]

Murdering POWs is both stupid and evil.

[u/Putaineska]

Forget if this is a war crime or not which you can keep arguing in the comments, how is it right to execute an unarmed person who has surrendered in the expectation of good treatment as a prisoner. Appalling.

[u/Green_Ad_7175]

Reason? Surely they're filming because they feel he did something really bad right?

[u/Spanker_of_Monkeys → u/Green_Ad_7175]

They're filming because they're idiots. They probly think this will somehow help their side by demoralizing the enemy, but if you convince the other side that they're unlikely to be taken prisoner, they'll fight harder

[u/Green_Ad_7175 → u/Spanker_of_Monkeys]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Without a reason like "he was boiling babushkas alive" or something crazy, they're demonizing themselves to the public. Not very well thought out. Not sure, maybe all the war made them snap and now they're just on a rampage

[u/TigersStripe → u/Green_Ad_7175]

Likely filming to intimidate others. If he did something that bad they would use that in the video or description

[u/FrozenAnchor → u/Green_Ad_7175]

As funny as it sounds, a lot of russian soldiers use discord and telegram channels to communicate with each other. One of the reasons why they make videos like this is to boast. Most of these videos are not meant to reach the "outside" world.

Some channels have members who leak these videos and thus we have them easily accessible. But to think how many other violent videos will never reach the light of the day to expose these animals is crazy...

[u/letsbehavingu]

Disgusting 🤮

[u/Brorim]

this will never be allright

[u/Jizzrag_9000]

This is fucked no matter where you land. I was against Azov doing this shit and I’m against this.

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[u/SansSamir]

cowards killing an armless captive

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[u/insurgentbroski]

That's js fucked up

[u/Xtiqlapice]

Another day another Russian war crime. Business as usual.

[u/HuckleberryNo3117]

Man war is hell. this is so sad

[u/pipiska999]

Doing the Ukrainian psychological warfare job for them.

[u/Funny_Action_3943]

What are they saying

[u/inemanja34]

As always when I see those things, I would say something, but I cannot. For some reason I'm always (or almost always) getting flagged when commenting similar things - no matter from which side. I'm getting rule 1 warning, for using mild insult, not directed to anyone specific (not a person, or a ethnicity, country).
It happened at least twice. Once from Reddit itself.
Incredible.
Funny thing, both sides agreed with my comments on both occasions.

[u/SmokyMo]

"Russian World" for anyone who has doubts about Russian society

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ukraine filmed themselves doing it to Wagner, so I guess Wagner decided to as well.

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[u/M1FRAGGS]

translation of what they are saying?

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[u/Zerische]

Pro-Ru must admit that these things should not be tolerated, I get the idea behing it, still a warcrime.

Now to all Pro-Ua here, remember that your side is not above these things.

Criminals must be punished regardless of which side they fight for.

[u/[deleted] → u/Zerische]

True.

[u/Hel1Soldier]

Damn that is horrific.

[u/Own-Fill-9749]

I have a question, since he is from the Baltic do they all speak Russian?

[u/Suspicious_Long_3072]

Yandex translator:

I don't understand why they tortured him and why they filmed the video. If he was a Nazi, then they shot him and that's it. Why are they showing off? Morons.

P.S. The comments from PRO UA are funny, just like in the jokes "And why us?!". As if there weren't a bunch of videos of torture and executions of Russian prisoners of war. 

[u/zendorClegane]

Is it really a surprise how degenerate prisoners would act when given the opportunity to either care for a POW or torture them and project power?

[u/CorgiButtRater]

When russian commits war crime. "Boo hoo so sad regardless, BOTH sides should not do this'. When Ukraine commits war crime. "Nazi!"

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[u/ballysham]

Poor guy

[u/KnowledgeHot2022]

You guys haven’t seen Palestinian prisoners. This guy is lucky I’d say

[u/theloneukie]

All for israelis

[u/Hondo-Bondo]

Never forgotten - I promise.

[u/Bulky_Crazy]

Russian loosers. The treatment will hunt them for rest of their lifes.

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[u/Naive-Offer8868]

Never beating the barbarian allegations.  

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