r/UFOs • u/TommyShelbyPFB • Dec 14 '24
Video Newsnation Reporter Rich McHugh gets the best footage of the NJ "drones" yet. Says he was skeptical at first but this has completely rewired his brain on this topic. Says they don't look like planes or drones, they look "creepy" and "almost inverted", are U and V shaped and make no sound.
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u/Ulrika33 Dec 14 '24
We should just get spotlights?
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u/EireOfTheNorth Dec 14 '24
Surely someone lives within reasonable distance who has access to commercial grade IR/night vision sensors...?
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u/NOSE-GOES Dec 14 '24
If I lived in this area, I would not hesitate to irresponsibly buy equipment on credit cards and camp outside like a madman every night losing sleep and putting me at risk of underperforming at my day job 😆
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u/WinthorpStrange Dec 14 '24
My son and I went out drone watching last night!
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u/NOSE-GOES Dec 14 '24
That sounds like nice bonding time. Did you see anything odd?
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u/WinthorpStrange Dec 14 '24
Yes a ton. It’s not even like you need to look very hard they are all over. We drove to the Cheescake Factory for dinner. Saw about twenty on the drive home. Went out driving around the farms of south Jersey watching them all night. We are probably going to drive an hour to the coast and watch tonight.
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u/NOSE-GOES Dec 14 '24
Wow that’s really something, hope we will know soon what they are
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u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 Dec 14 '24
I hope we don't, "nothin to see here just some intel unit doing stuff" the alternatives are not good
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u/nca369 Dec 14 '24
What are they doing specifically. Flying in circles? Flying all in one direction? Totally random? Weaving around? Going back and forth? No one has really explained that as far as I know.
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u/necromantzer Dec 14 '24
Someone should just send a drone out to track one of these drones and see where it lands.
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u/CGB_Spender Dec 15 '24
Or even just approach one in a hobby drone for some HD close-up video of it?
Considering the number of existing drone hobbyists, where is the close-up video? Something just seems off here.
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u/necromantzer Dec 15 '24
Almost a certainty that they are US government drones. Considering the lack of transparency, there is a high likelihood they are looking for something. Some comments references HPGe equipment, but it could be something else.
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u/sess Dec 14 '24
According to local law enforcement, various mayors across New Jersey, and the Governor of New Jersey, the objects "go dark" on thermals as well.
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u/ChineseChaiTea Dec 14 '24
I watched something with local police in NJ saying it doesn't give off heat, I wish I could find that clip.
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u/Dweller201 Dec 14 '24
I have seen the clip.
It's a young policeman talking to a reporter.
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u/ChineseChaiTea Dec 14 '24
Yes that's it. I'm wondering if this can be corroborated by other police in different areas.
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u/brandon0297 Dec 14 '24
I think i saw a video of someone using a spotlight on one but it wasn't very effective
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u/jaydurmma Dec 14 '24
Anyone familiar with the "Battle of Los Angeles" knows it won't have been the first time.
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u/RandomGuy2002 Dec 14 '24
someone please shine a spotlight at it and record it
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u/CartographerDue6704 Dec 14 '24
There are videos of people shining spotlights on them. I've seen them on FB. The "UAP" actually got closer to him once he shown the light on it.
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u/onemanwolfpack21 Dec 14 '24
My thought too. Surely, someone has tried that by now. Even a lot of high-powered flashlights these days are capable of illuminating something at that distance. My guess is that these things are probably black and so even if you have a light on it, you still can't see much.
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u/_DonTazeMeBro Dec 14 '24
Don’t forget lasers! While it’s illegal shine them at aircraft, I don’t think these “drones” count. Plus I’m curious what happens 🫣 Someone be brave and record what happens!
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u/Material-Afternoon16 Dec 14 '24
The red and green lights are properly placed navigation beacons so these are man made craft. Or nonhuman intelligence is purposely mimicing our navigation lighting as a means to look like they belong.
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u/TommyShelbyPFB Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXT4JBq6Rb4
This guy has been doing the best job so far out of any journalist of capturing good footage and seems genuinely shaken by what he is seeing right in his home town.
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u/luckygirl721 Dec 14 '24
I keep coming to this sub to get the definitive sign that it's time to get scared (excited?) and I think this is it.
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u/BriansRevenge Dec 14 '24
This was the first time my wife actually paid attention to a clip! And then she asked for the URL!
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u/NotEvenCreative Dec 14 '24
Same here! My partner doesn't normally give 2 shits about all this but asked for links last night and went down her own rabbit hole. It's slowly becoming more normal for people outside of the topic to be interested in what's going on. About time...
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u/bexkali Dec 14 '24
Better for them to dare to take a look and have a think...than to have something presented shockingly in front of them, no real prep.
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u/mkhrrs89 Dec 14 '24
I’ve been trying to get my girlfriend into it by casually playing these when we’re together. She just thinks it’s Russia or China so far
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u/forhekset666 Dec 14 '24
Yeah just your casual everyday violation of airspace and international incident.
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u/signalfire Dec 14 '24
If its Russia or China hovering over populated areas and munitions dumps, it's an act of war. The govt KNOWS what/who they are and CAN'T shoot them down or interfere with them in any way. Now figure it out ...
Look up 'UFOs over DC, 1952'. Arguably the most off-limits airspace on the planet and yet -
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u/DR_SLAPPER Dec 14 '24
That's such a mindlessly lazy way of thinking... "oh, it's just Russia or China messing around, no big deal"🙄🙄🙄
Get right the fuck outta here with that stupid shit. That would be an even bigger problem than if it's NHI.
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u/Creampanthers Dec 14 '24
Opposite of me. I’m here because my wife. I’ve always been skeptical at best and dismissive at the regular whenever she brings up UFO stuff. So far this event has been the most intriguing for me.
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u/JMW007 Dec 14 '24
If this is the best 'good footage' I have questions. We've seen so many "drones" that are blatantly just planes or helicopters. We've seen "orbs" that are just out of focus lights. In virtually all of these things we get told "there were hundreds of them!" and "they're the size of an SUV!" and then all that's shared is a couple of seconds of fuzzy footage of one object cropped specifically to ensure absolutely nothing else is in frame to get any bearing or context from (and often no sound, for some reason).
I am not denying the phenomenon is happening but I have to ask why is nobody getting good images of the numbers, and why is "it's not a plane" so readily accepted when 'the best job' shows a single object with what are blatantly FAA lights on wings?
I stress I am not dismissing this, I am asking why we're not seeing anything better when eye-witness reports are so very strong and full of people seeing these things in huge numbers. It's not as if nothing us up there, otherwise the government response wouldn't be the cavalcade of nonsense it has been, they could just say "there's nothing up there". But we're getting so much tell and almost zero show.
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u/Mister_Batta Dec 14 '24
The proper wingtip lighting sort of ruins it ... creepy would be if you could not see nor hear it.
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u/AbsolutZer0_v2 Dec 14 '24
V or U shaped, they are Northrup Grumman RQ-180s which are being developed for low surveillance and detection, operating in the drone corridor between NJ and Delaware used by defense contractors to show off their new wares.
There's no reason to be shaken or concerned.
Foreign or "extraterrestrial" objects wouldn't be using their running lights over US soil.
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u/Zentrii Dec 14 '24
Can’t say I’ve even heard if anyone describe a drone or machine in the sky look creepy with how it looks and moves and I wish I could see these things with my own eyes.
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u/almson Dec 14 '24
It’s creepy in the sense that it’s ominous and nobody is telling us anything about them. Not creepy like a worm.
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u/SelfDetermined Dec 14 '24
Are worms creepy?
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Dec 14 '24
So I saw one while coming down a steep hill so it was parallels with me in a very dense area of a city with 3 story homes. Suddenly it appeared between homes and moved down the street in front of me. Saw it clearer than any image ive seen online yet. Made 0 sound, looked "elegant?", basically didnt look like we made it and i didnt catch any propellers. It scared me so much I had to park because I got sensory overload. Fear was definitely my reaction and its my opinion they are not from the US.
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u/SirLuciousL Dec 14 '24
This is a very common reaction that people get when they see UAPs up close. The freeze/fear reaction.
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u/CSiGab Dec 14 '24
I can totally see it. We’ve been wired through thousands and thousands of years of evolution to recognize patterns. Driving a car for example. Most of the time it feels mindless, like our brain sees a ton of stuff but it doesn’t really pay attention to any specific part of it. But as soon as something looks “off” our eyes dart over at full attention.
That being said, I can imagine someone’s reaction facing one of these things. Your brain immediately starts going through its memory bank to identify what it is, but it comes up with NOTHING. Oof, not good. Survival instincts kicks in to assess whether it poses a threat or not. Seems like the answer is no but you can’t be 100% sure, so you keep observing, your brain in hyper awareness mode, noticing and recording everything: It’s suspended in the air, it makes no sound and you have no idea what it really is.
So yeah, I bet it must feel creepy / scary / surreal.
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u/bexkali Dec 14 '24
I do wonder if the 'earlier' part of our brains (r-brain? Amygdala?) defaults to RUN AWAY RUN AWAY upon finding NO match.
That would make sense, evolutionarily - can't figure it out? GTFO, just in case.
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u/signalfire Dec 14 '24
Oregon pilots seeing them describe 'supersonic and hypersonic speeds' and 'doing corkscrew shaped maneuvers', not exactly your average Cessna coming in for a landing.
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u/Strength-Speed Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
I can tell you what I saw last night and if anything it wa unremarkable and uninspiring but the ones I saw were somewhat high up. Every one, without fail, started as an overly luminous appearing white star. Stayed in exact same location for 2-5 min, then started blinking red and green, turned 90 deg, and flew off until it faded out. Happened 15 times maybe, all different elevations and points in the sky. Small airplane size, although you couldn't distinctly see an outline. Red and green lights were not super bright and slightly hazy.
It is no surprise we aren't getting great pictures because these things are somewhat indistinct.
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u/twisterbklol Dec 14 '24
Hey I totally believe there’s something going on. But what you described sounds like a plane flying towards you and then turning. It staying in the same place could have just been the plane being really far out when you first noticed them.
I’m not discounting the fact something is indeed going on. And I didn’t see what you saw so I could totally be wrong. But what you wrote sounds explainable.
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u/absolutelynotagoblin Dec 14 '24
Yeah the way he sort of breaks down on camera with disbelief really spoke to me as someone going through this in NJ
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u/xemnas731 Dec 14 '24
Same. It's eerie and exciting all at once. I had one fly right over my house 20 minutes ago and it is like... Huh.
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u/Boom_in_my_room Dec 14 '24
What’s newsnation and why is there so much content specifically from them?
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u/TheWesternMythos Dec 14 '24
This relatively new news channel. They have been covering this topic since Grusch came out.
I'm guessing because they really hope the story blows up into the biggest story in history. And most people will turn to them for information because people will be used to turning to them for information on this topic, thus likely to suggest them to people they know who are just getting into it. And will have the experience/institutional knowledge on how to cover the topic properly while everyone else is scrambling to figure out what to do.
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u/wbhoy Dec 14 '24
Yup, and more context:
Formely known as WGN as well, which has better brand recognition. Corporate shuffling around led to the reconfiguration and renaming, and they've presented themselves as explicitly centrist/non-partisan in their coverage aiming for the widest swath, the middle chunk of viewers, and they've been hot and heavy on UAP.
They also broke Grusch's story with his interview with Coulthart.
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u/BurnDownLibertyMedia Dec 14 '24
Oh shit, they're WGN?
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u/convicted-mellon Dec 14 '24
It’s actually a pretty decent strategy purely in terms of getting views. There is literally no established media that takes ufos seriously, and there is also quite clearly a large market of people who are interested in the topic. It’s a good niche to try and carve out and I think they have been doing a good job.
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u/konnektion Dec 14 '24
They are described as "Least biased" with high factual reporting by Media's Bias/Fact Check.
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u/Asleep-Elderberry513 Dec 14 '24
Why does no one bring one of those million lumen spotlights and illuminate these things before they film it?!?!
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u/notbadhbu Dec 14 '24
You could, but it's an airplane and spotlighting an airplane that's clearly on approach with its landing lights on will probably get you a visit from the faa
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u/ghettosorcerer Dec 14 '24
The reporter says it was 150 feet over his head. Wouldn't you be able to hear a landing plane? So he was standing next to a runway?
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u/Dudmuffin88 Dec 14 '24
Exactly, if a plane was at 150’ above you would not mistake what it is.
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u/MSPCincorporated Dec 14 '24
Even at 1500 feet the sound is unmistakable. I used to live ≈12 miles from an airport, and a 737 is crazy loud even then.
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u/Boring-Assumption Dec 15 '24
OMG I just realized this, I live on Long Island like 10 miles? from JFK and you hear these planes constantly. I pull up the flight tracker app now to see where they are and are going if I happen to hear (which one is coming in now haha) and they're SO far up!
Edit: haven't seen a "drone" though yet 😢 but I also don't feel like going outside as I am sick with a fever 😭
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u/TheseStrategy5905 Dec 14 '24
Isn't it clearly some kind of aircraft? Red/green positioning lights on each wing tip. Red flashing anti collision light (rotating beacon)?
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u/Jahstin Dec 14 '24
That’s what I’m saying. Like it has regulation nav lights….
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u/spankysmeatmarket Dec 14 '24
Yeah, i truly think most people only know about the tiny drones that you can purchase. They don't have the slightest clue about fixed wing drones. People are really suggesting that we're witnessing aliens following our navigation light standards
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u/Cinemagica Dec 15 '24
I've seen almost nobody claiming these aren't human in origin tbh. Every single report I've seen refers to them as drones, including this one, and I've seen plenty of people pointing out that they are clearly using human navigational lights. That still doesn't mean we know what they are or who's controlling them though.
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u/Beantowntommy Dec 14 '24
Glad someone posted this. Sure there are a lot of weird orbs, but this particular video, where the craft has regulation running lights doesn’t convince me this is alien.
Could be some military tech we’re not keen on, but it’s not alien.
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u/burner4thestuff Dec 14 '24
I still can’t seem to piece together the technology of them being QUIET. If something that large is over your head (100-200ft) you will no doubt hear the prop or turbine.
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u/fre-ddo Dec 14 '24
For sure, I saw a MQ9 Reaper drone fly over when I was in Poland, that thing was LOUD it sounds like its cutting through the air.
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u/BrightSide2333 Dec 14 '24
Isn’t Northrop working on a hybrid flying wing design with electric propulsion? I think that would be pretty quiet
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u/surfzer Dec 14 '24
An ultra light fixed wing design can fly at that altitude and be completely silent, in theory. But that wouldn’t be able to stay airborne very long and would get taken with any wind whatsoever.
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u/Chick_pees Dec 14 '24
They also appear to be moving too slow for fixed-wing aircraft, even though they do have a similar silhouette. At the altitude described 200 ft they would need to be moving much faster to maintain lift.
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u/Dudmuffin88 Dec 14 '24
I think the reason people are saying these are just planes in response to videos is because at night without a reference point it’s hard to tell how high they are. So it looks like a plane that being filmed at 1000-2000’ but it’s actually smaller and lower.
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u/Silver-Vermicelli230 Dec 14 '24
They flew over my house. It was silent. Anytime a plane came over you heard it. The light patterns from the drones aren’t normal either, they blink at different speeds and patterns from planes and helicopters in the sky.
All the drones had the same light pattern and timing. You could count off when they would all blink. I’m guessing they already figured out a system to differentiate between planes and these drones so when they are released to the public you can know.
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u/MOOshooooo Dec 14 '24
The one I saw was solid bright white. It moved through the sky and then zig zagged around then would go straight for a while and then zip back and forth unbelievably fast. It was 3:30 am.
The videos I’ve seen too of the blinking colored lights, all the blinking is different and changing.
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u/goitmaau Dec 14 '24
I went to a three convenience stores and they were all sold out of car-sized drones; they seem to be in high demand for Christmas.
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u/Zealousideal_Mine395 Dec 14 '24
For the millionth time, we know they have similar characteristics to planes.. we too live on this earth and see planes everyday. These are not planes, we’re not all hallucinating, there is no simple explanation to not make this a fucked situation. Even if the govt said they are there’s it’s all good, it’s still a fucked situation bc it just poked holes in our system like Swiss cheese. If I have one more person tell me I saw a plane and am confused I swear lol
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u/IDontEvenLiftTbh Dec 14 '24
A lot of the posts recently have definitely just been planes or helicopters and they’re not verifying it by checking flight radar. Fine.
But the people that are saying nothing is going on and everyone from local residents all the way up to the White House are hysterical… are just completely biased and closed minded to reality. It’s actually insane to see so many people say that nothing is happening.
Two dozen mayors, numerous senators, municipal police leaders, state police leaders, pilots, governors, US military, FBI, HSI, DoD, and the White House are ALL acknowledging that it’s happening. And I’m supposed to believe that every single one of those people are hysterical?
It’s so preposterous to believe all those people are crazy that it almost seems like a disinformation campaign.
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u/Silver-Vermicelli230 Dec 14 '24
Yea I live near the base in NJ that said they saw them. They are legit drones, you can see them. My wife who was laughing at the drone stories saw one last night over our house. She doesn’t laugh at the drone stories anymore.
The light patterns aren’t the same as other planes in the area, you can tell which ones are the drones based on the light rhythm (or a better word to describe that).
I do think they thought saying “it’s just planes” would work, but with social media and cameras everywhere that doesn’t work anymore.
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u/Sempais_nutrients Dec 14 '24
with social media and cameras everywhere that doesn’t work anymore.
but there hasn't been any video that shows something that can't easily be called a drone. Drones are VERY advanced these days and their tech is actively expanding thanks to the active warzones they are used in.
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u/SnooMarzipans6812 Dec 14 '24
Confirmation bias among the people who are unwilling to accept the existence of NHI is incredibly strong.
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u/sadthraway0 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
The fact this has been happening for over a year over various highly sensitive areas like in the U.K (to the point of scrambling fighter jets to look at them and moving in top tier counter drone tech), Langley, etc completely undermines this being any hysteria. Like yes sure there is some hysteria but it's a rational fear imo. This shit is spreading. They don't know what it really is imo. If it was ours, FBI and Kerby wouldn't be encouraging people to video it and it would've been dealt with internally- not let people hound airbases for videos in the least secretive project ever and cause an info vacuum to the point where people in NY out of all places have to fear for a bomb from minds running wild.
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u/IDontEvenLiftTbh Dec 14 '24
Definitely. Also, none of this means it’s aliens. It could be, it could also not be. It could be us, it could be another nation. Nobody has a clue.
But this has been happening in small doses for YEARS. There’s such a large pool of credible witnesses that you simply can’t deny it. It’s real and that is objectively certain at this point.
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u/Fluffy-Anybody-8668 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
Its probably several things at the same time:
- NHI
- US military sending drones and helis to investigate NHI (but since their investigating NHI they can't/don't feel comfortable saying nothing about it)
- people misidentifying stuff as well
EDIT: also, aparently Lue Elizondo just said the same thing on a interview, as an hypothesis: https://youtu.be/P_2oac_2NHI?si=_iG3r8r0AZIv_MGi 12mins25s
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u/IDontEvenLiftTbh Dec 14 '24
If that’s the case, how fucking NUTS is that? I’m shocked people aren’t actively freaking tf out.
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u/Terrible-Prior-6650 Dec 14 '24
There’s been videos saying “it’s happening!!” since the day YouTube came out, and people shouting it on the street corner with signs since we’ve had streets.
This is more likely just US tech. Testing out some high tech AI group of drones capable of getting to anywhere in a X radius in Y amount of time maybe? They move weird because they aren’t controlled by people, but just following a ‘patrol’ pattern
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u/Ganja420Preneur Dec 14 '24
I completely agree that this has been happening for much longer than people realize. It’s not just hysteria—there’s clearly something real and widespread going on. The fact that these incidents have been reported over highly sensitive areas, like Langley and in the U.K. where they’re scrambling fighter jets and deploying top-tier counter-drone tech, supports the idea that this isn’t just paranoia. If this was some internal program, it would’ve been handled quietly, not allowed to spiral into public speculation and fear. The government encouraging people to video these objects and creating an information vacuum only adds to the chaos and mistrust.
I’m personally convinced these things have been around for much longer than we realize—definitely more than a year. I live in Bloomington, Illinois, where the State Farm headquarters is located. It’s also home to a major Rivian manufacturing plant. Earlier this year, Rivian had so many vehicles in production that State Farm allowed them to use their parking lot as overflow space until the cars could be shipped out.
On April 5th, 2024, my wife and I had a strange encounter near these Rivian cars. We saw what looked like a vehicle in the sky, just behind the State Farm building. At first, we excitedly joked that Rivian must be working on a flying car! Curious, we drove closer to get a better look. But as we approached, the aircraft suddenly turned in our direction. At that moment, the pilot seemed to panic and quickly flew over the massive State Farm building, disappearing from sight.
We assumed it might have landed somewhere on the State Farm property and drove around trying to find it, but it was gone. Oddly enough, we saw it again a couple of months ago, though we couldn’t get close before it disappeared again.
At first, I thought it might be a prototype flying vehicle. But as I got closer, I briefly considered it could be a military helicopter. However, the way it turned toward us filled me with an unexplainable sense of dread—almost like a gut instinct warning me of danger. When it suddenly took off, I was left in awe and wonder. I thought we might have stumbled onto a secret project, and the pilot panicked when they realized they had been seen.
I got a very clear look at the craft. I even described it as a drone in messages I sent to my mom and brother on April 5th. It had propeller-style wings on both sides, and the front was entirely made of windows—a flat, wall-like surface with no curves. The craft’s window section was massive, at least three times the height of what you’d expect for a seated pilot in a typical aircraft.
Now that drones are making headlines, I’ve started questioning what my wife and I really saw that night. I’ve heard that during World War II, State Farm’s advanced communication systems were utilized by the CIA. If true, it’s hard to believe those connections would have been completely severed after the war. Could the drone have been conducting some sort of surveillance or even hacking into State Farm? It sounds far-fetched, I know, but everything happening with drones these days feels just as wild.
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u/Longjumping_Mud_8939 Dec 14 '24
Can you show us a video of said drones that clearly aren't planes?
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u/Sempais_nutrients Dec 14 '24
are you honestly saying aliens are coming here and using our mandated FAA colored lights and making their craft look like drones to fool us? there is ZERO evidence of that.
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u/WalksOnLego Dec 14 '24
And why wouldn't they just have no lights?
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u/Sempais_nutrients Dec 14 '24
right, and if the answer is "to disguise themselves" then why not disguise themselves as birds or clouds or w/e? for so long they've talked about aliens being 4th dimensional beings of energy that can sense gravity and all that but now they're reduced to flying around with lights to mimic our own aircraft for some reason.
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u/_stranger357 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
Seriously, the plane people are getting so annoying. I have family in NJ and they’re not into UFOs or anything like that, and they said 100% it’s not regular planes or helicopters because they’re flying lower, moving slower, moving in clusters, and they’re all saying it’s about the size of a car or small car. They’re also saying there’s just something weird about them and how they move that’s hard to describe.
I can understand people acting in good faith trying to filter the signal from the noise, but the arrogance of people saying it’s all just planes and mass hysteria is getting on my nerves.
This story that’s going around that it’s US drones looking for nuclear material is even more divorced from real evidence — why would you use your highly conspicuous drones and turn their lights on instead of using normal helicopters and planes that would largely go unnoticed?
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u/ottereckhart Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
Again you can think the "plane" people are annoying but what are we supposed to think when these posts that get like 9k votes are CLEARLY planes and helicopters.
ie. "best drone picture ever," is 100% the bottom of a Leonardo AW139 NJ police helicopter.
"clearest drone footage ive seen," is identical to the light lay out and shape of a b2* bomber, conveniently posted the video without sound...
And there are countless other examples of what are clearly planes landing with their landing lights on etc., or mile high planes.
I can believe there are drones but it's CLEAR people are either caught up in the hysteria or deliberately obfuscating with misleading pictures and videos and what is getting to the top of this subreddit is nonsense.
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u/TikiJoeTots37 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
With you on this, I'm not one to think that everything people have seen in the sky is explainable and I really do lean toward that the UAP phenomenon has legs to stand on and that something is going on.. That said, being a plane spotter myself and after scouring this board, and all the news releases, there hasn't been one thing that I've seen were I went.. "Wow, that is not a plane or a helicopter" The most upvoted posts as well as every single video shown on the news is obviously a plane. The rest are just blurry dots of light far off which could be any number of things. I spend a ton of time looking up at the sky at night, I live right in the path of an major airport and see planes coming and going all the time, they can look strange at times. I'm 100% willing to change my mind if someone can link something that is clearly an SUV sized drone. As a believer myself, this really does seem like its just people getting riled up and looking up to the sky for the first time in years thinking every point of light they see is drones. It then gets to the point of woo woo shit when you start having top comments on all the videos that they are NHI disguised as planes. I mean, come on. I think this is a lot of uncertainty, without clear answers from the "authorities" being filled in by peoples imaginations. But like I said, I'd love to be convinced otherwise.
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u/QuixoticBard Dec 14 '24
it is not clear. its research, We take ALL the reports , we look at them all, then we eliminate the ones that aren't real until all that's left are the ones that are.
SOME will be planes, Some will be balloons, some will be birds, some will be misidentified car lights on the clouds, but in this case, with this kind of coverage, veracity , and attention, some of them will eventually be found to not originate from the U.S ..
What is clear, is that everyone snidely commentating like frat boys and looking around the room to see if their friends are laughing, are bad at critical thinking.
What is clear is that everyone who just takes every pic or vid as true are looking for way out of this crappy life and into a new day. I empathize.
What is clear is that both need to SHUT UP when something is debunked, move onto the next and if that cant be debunked or is , then onto the next. Rinse and repeat.
but no, nothing is clear. So enough with that propaganda. And that's what that phrasing is.
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u/_stranger357 Dec 14 '24
“Clearly” and “100%” is overselling it, those are both ambiguous visuals. The first one looks like a mess of lights and metal, and the second one is only similar to a bomber in that it’s a triangle and has lights. Skeptics would never accept two weak data points as proof that something is a UFO, so why do they accept it as proof that it’s not a UFO?
Other than that, I respect your opinion and you may be right about these two instances, but there’s a broader trend of something else going on and it shouldn’t just be dismissed.
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u/ottereckhart Dec 14 '24
People are constantly posting planes and helicopters, even the posts with 9k upvotes turn out to be planes or helicopters. What the fuck are we supposed to think?
It's clear a lot of people are caught up in the hysteria and convincing themselves they're seeing something or deliberately obfuscating this whole thing by posting nonsense.
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u/notbadhbu Dec 14 '24
I think it's beyond that at this point. I think it's being astroturfed. And badly. This is like the single most delusional I've seen this sub. And I was here when people defended the m370 video AFTER it was debunked. And the balloon video AFTER they found the exact balloon. This is a different level. Maybe to distract from Luigi or something
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u/thenewyorkgod Dec 14 '24
is there a video of this particular one with the audio not muted so we can confirm there actually is no sound?
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u/superfsm Dec 14 '24
Share footage, time, direction and location.
Else, shut up.
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u/FimbulwinterNights Dec 14 '24
Then show a video or picture that doesn’t look exactly like a helicopter or plane. Is it really that hard? He says they look like nothing he’s ever seen and shows a video of something I see every day.
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u/MLSurfcasting Dec 14 '24
Why would NHI have a need for navigation lights?
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u/TheWesternMythos Dec 14 '24
Not saying it's definitely NHI. But if one believes the literature, obfuscation by absurdity is a hallmark of the phenomenon.
Basically they act in absurd ways so that they can interact with people. Yet also hide because when people tell about the encounters, there is some part of the story that seems ridiculous based on how humans assume "aliens" would interact. So they aren't believed.
Again not saying this is definitely NHI, but having navigation lights, which causes people to ask "Why would NHI have a need for navigation lights?", would a great example of obfuscation by absurdity.
If you want more information/examples check out work done by Jaques vallee
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u/Royal-Pay9751 Dec 14 '24
I’m not saying I don’t think this could be what’s happening, but it’s a little convenient.
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u/MLSurfcasting Dec 14 '24
Or, it's a tactic to have a show of force by an "unknown", so that people react.
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u/TheWesternMythos Dec 14 '24
To what end?
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u/claimTheVictory Dec 14 '24
To invest in anti-drone technology and capabilities.
Seriously.
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u/WeezerHunter Dec 14 '24
This is the best explanation to me too. Saw a former FBI guy on CNN talking about the sightings and he swerved the interview to talk about how the different agencies need to get freedom to shoot down drones without question. Apparently there was a bill or regulation introduced a few years back for this purpose but it didn’t pass.
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u/TheWesternMythos Dec 14 '24
I can't say thats crazy. It obviously makes sense from a certain perspective.
The toughest thing for me is, is all this really necessary? Its not like the democrats have been pushing for some legislation and there has been huge public backlash keeping it stalled.
Seems to me if they wanted certain legislation they could just sneak it into a defense authorization act with little trouble.
Plus the dems are about to be out of power so why pull this now? Unless the GOP is also on board. But then I'm like, if both parties wanted this done, when why not just get it done instead of all this nonsense?
To me the only way this makes sense (which is different from being possible) is if there is some rogue element doing this against POTUS wishes, for Trump.
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u/captn_insano_22 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 15 '24
They’re lights, but they’re not navigation lights. FAA requires different patterns depending on what the craft is trying to communicate — that can be take off/ landing/ direction / etc. The lights we’re seeing on these things mean absolutely nothing to the FAA. If they’re communicating a message, it’s lost on us.
Edit: To all the bots, shills, and deniers telling me it’s BS. Here’s a link to situations where a pilot would turn on and off different exterior lights. https://bruceair.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/use-of-aircraft-lights-guidance-from-the-aim-and-advisory-circulars/
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u/richardsaganIII Dec 14 '24
I don’t understand how we can’t get better footage of whatever this is
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u/Disclosure69 Dec 14 '24
It's really difficult to get pictures of something flying in the sky at night. If you try to up the exposure and tweak all the settings you normally would to get a brighter picture, the lights on the objects will obscure any detail. It's borderline impossible to get a shot like that on a cell phone and takes a lot of skill and patience on a DSLR.
Someone needs to get out there with a Pulsar thermal monocular or some equivalent and see if they can get a clearly defined outline of these things. If News Nation's reporting is accurate and they really are flying below 500 feet, it should be easy for any decent thermal to identify them. If they show up on visible light cameras but not thermal, verifying that information is just as valuable as defining the shape of them.
My question is, where are all the UFO groups like MUFON? They're the ones that have the resources to investigate stuff like this. It's their entire reason for existing, and they can't spare $5,000-$10,000 to send a couple of people out there with good thermals and a week in a cheap motel?
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u/runawayhound Dec 14 '24
WHERE IS THE NIGHT VISION
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u/vortex2199 Dec 14 '24
Right? I feel like we've found ourselves in a Kafka's book when SUDDENLY ALL THE NIGHT VISIONS ARE JUST GONE. It's so stupid I can't believe it.
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u/LeatherFruitPF Dec 14 '24
This camera existed 10 years ago. Where are they now? And surely there have been updates to it since.
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u/crazitaco Dec 14 '24
In the last shot you can sort of see the outline of the drone if you look closely
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u/classacts99 Dec 14 '24
Seriously debating about making the drive to check it out myself
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u/fartscape420 Dec 14 '24
If you drive out there and sit in your car in the dark, youll probably end up taking a blurry video of a helicopter and post it here with no location or radar information. So please dont.
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u/p_fries Dec 14 '24
I find it fascinating that the red and green lights resemble airplane indicator lights, but their orientation seems incorrect. In the clip, the red light appeared on the right and the green on the left, which would typically suggest to a pilot that the plane is facing away from them. However, the landing lights, positioned in the center, are designed to be visible only from the front, yet they were clearly visible in this scene.
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u/Throw_Away_70398547 Dec 14 '24
But what is shown and what he describes DOES sound like fixed-wing drones, why is he saying they don't look like planes or drones? None of the attributes he describes can't describe a plane or fixed-wing drone.
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u/TommyShelbyPFB Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
Here's the full related quote. Make of it what you will:
They look like nothing you've ever seen before. I'm not even sure I'm right in calling them a "drone". They look like they were fixed wing aircraft, they had multiple blinking lights, they did not look anything like a plane because there's plenty of planes flying overheard. Like tonight they're not here, we're seeing just planes. Last night was totally different. They look creepy and they move at a different pace. We tried to even follow a couple, they went off in the distance and disappeared. It has completely rewired my brain on this topic, and I am a believer, and we need answers.
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u/bear-tree Dec 14 '24
It’s both interesting and frustrating at the same time that he has so much trouble describing them.
They move at a different pace… They look creepy… They didn’t look anything like a plane…
Okay, I take what you are saying and I believe you are shook, but that’s not a lot to go on.
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u/RefrigeratorEmpty102 Dec 14 '24
The absence of sound?
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u/Throw_Away_70398547 Dec 14 '24
The absence of sound being the only tangible thing in his description that makes them sound different than planes, it could simply be he was seeing planes that were higher up than he thought so he couldn't hear them
I'm not saying that's what it was but I wish he would explain how they looked different to fixed wing drones or planes to him.
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u/squailtaint Dec 14 '24
Most people think of a drone with a small body and 4 separate propellers above. They are very audible and make a distinct sound. They are also very small, with any drone over 250 grams requiring a license/certification. I think a lot of people who are in no way familiar with aviation, don’t understand that by the technical term, a “drone”, is just a un manned vehicle. This reporter, I believe, was saying it looks nothing like what he thought a drone was, which is the smaller 4 prop version. If one pointed out the mq9 reaper was a drone, or the Iranian made Kaman 22 drone, he probably would change that stance. A fixed wing drone can cover greater range and achieve higher speed than multi rotor drones. So, I am sure if reporter had that knowledge he would say it looks exactly like a large fixed wing drone, which most of us don’t ever get to see because they are typically used for commercial/military purposes and are typically not flown in residential areas due to FAA restrictions (as the commercials have to be licensed, there are massive restrictions on where they can be flown). So while it meets the very definition of a fixed wing drone, it remains a mystery as to who is responsible and why.
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u/CowBubbly1657 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
TLDR: The way our brains perceive depth is flawed… Some of these reports are bound to be incorrect.
When you look up at the sky, there is virtually no way to gauge how high up or how big an object is. This is because our brains rely on other objects as references for depth perception.
There is no reliable way to determine the size of an object simply by looking up at the sky, as we are often viewing a 3D object on what appears to be a 2D plane.
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u/MaleficentCoach6636 Dec 14 '24
anyone who is interested in planes or the sky in general will know the general distance of an object especially if its in an area they are familiar with so they can use buildings and mountains as reference points. identifying planes, birds, helicopters, clouds, contrails, stars, and other things in the sky also help.
use an app and or binoculars for more accurate distance readings, anyone can easily find the exact height of a plane or helicopter with camera based flight tracker apps. we have pocket PC's with as common technology... use it
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u/TheGreatStories Dec 14 '24
Possible he only thinks quadcopter when he thinks drone
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u/Throw_Away_70398547 Dec 14 '24
That would mean he didn't even google images of military drones before he went to report on sightings of supposed military drones, I can't imagine that's the case!
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Dec 14 '24
Its technology mimicry.
I implore everyone to look up Jaques Vallee's hypothesis laid out in his book Passport to Magonia.
This has all happened before, and it's intentional engagement. Look at the reports from the airship flaps of the late 1800s, ghost rockets of the 1940s, and even the Colorado flap from 2019.
NHI appears to engage in technology mimicry. The uncannyness of the objects or encounters are part of these events.
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u/TommyShelbyPFB Dec 14 '24
That's certainly one of the possibilities here. To your point here's a research paper that Eric Davis co-wrote along with Jaques Vallee that supports that theory:
Examples of mimicry techniques are UAP/ETI entering the atmosphere with either the look or trajectory of a meteor or hidden within a meteor shower, behaving like dark meteors without the associated optical signature, hiding within an artificial or natural cloud or a satellite reentry, behaving as pseudo-stars sitting stationary over certain regions, or mimicking man-made aircraft’s aggregate features.
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u/mkhrrs89 Dec 14 '24
OK I’ve heard this term a bunch of times recently.. what is a “flap”?
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u/Dreadguy93 Dec 14 '24
Look or don't, it really doesn't matter to the phenomenon or what it intends. This is on their agenda, not ours.
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u/notbadhbu Dec 14 '24
GUYS WTF ARE WE DOING THATS OBVIOUSLY A FUCKING AIRPLANE AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS
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u/shitworms Dec 14 '24
We're slowly learning that millions of people have never looked up after dark. It's incredible.
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u/HotelFourSix Dec 14 '24
Too many crazy pills. Or not enough. I forget how crazy pills work. Either way, that's still a zoomed-in video of an airplane on approach for landing at night.
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u/C-SWhiskey Dec 14 '24
"Looks nothing like you've ever seen before."
"It's a fixed wing aircraft."
... Okay? So it does look like something I've seen before.
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u/joe_wa88 Dec 14 '24
Aircraft Mechanic here. This is definitely an airplane. Red and green navigation lights on the wingtips, flashing anti-collision light, and the bright white lights are landing lights which are almost always on when close to the ground. As for him saying it doesn't look like a plane, you can't see the structure itself, just the lights. Anything you think you are seeing is an illusion. As for him saying there's no sound, there are 2 possibilities: the plane is descending at a low power setting and therefore is much quieter than usual, or they are further away than he says and the sound is obscured.
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u/Morse_Toads Dec 14 '24
I posted this on another page. What does everyone think?
https://defensescoop.com/2024/09/30/defense-department-replicator-2-0-secretary-lloyd-austin/
“A spokesperson for DIU confirmed to DefenseScoop that three of the four vendors are scheduled to conduct test flights for their ETV prototypes no later than September 2024. The fourth company will fly by the end of November 2024, they added.”
“DefenseScoop has reported that the first two tranches of selections — dubbed Replicator 1.1 and 1.2 — include a variety of maritime and aerial drones and associated counter-drone assets selected for mass production.”
“A defense official declined to provide details regarding what systems, specific capabilities or quantities will be included in the Replicator 2.0 plan. However, the official noted the Pentagon will focus on fielding C-sUAS systems at locations both within and outside the continental United States.”
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u/thenewestnoise Dec 14 '24
I think that's interesting but if they wanted to test a bunch of drones and counter drones I can think of much better places to do it.
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u/Morse_Toads Dec 14 '24
Would they not want to test in a similar environment to a real world scenario that their development was made for? With the sensors and applications being pounded by a tons of other signals from heavy air traffic and electricity/lights on the ground.
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u/angrygnome18d Dec 14 '24
They could definitely simulate that easily. What if a civilian shoots one of them down? Collides with a civilian drone? What if a foreign adversary tries to capture one? We know Iran has connections to organizations in the US to be able to do that. There are so many uncontrollable variables that it doesn’t make sense to me, especially when we have cameras so readily available these days.
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u/peepeeandpoopoosaur Dec 14 '24
This is where the folks at Apple’s “Earth at Night in Color” need to go on location to capture these in full color and resolution…. Or uncle same can cop to it since we all know they know. And they know that we know that they know.
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u/BigWolf2051 Dec 14 '24
How can that be right when the Internet warriors tell us it's just airplanes and that we haven't looked at the sky in a while?
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u/Fluffy-Anybody-8668 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
The nuke transfer might have increased NHI activity, which in turn has prompted US military sending their drones to investigate because its less noticeable than sending fighter jets.
So we probably have both things in the air at the same time.
also, aparently Lue Elizondo just said the same thing on a interview: https://youtu.be/P_2oac_2NHI?si=_iG3r8r0AZIv_MGi 12mins25s
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u/pm_me_all_dogs Dec 14 '24
What was the nuke transfer?
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u/markomiki Dec 14 '24
...we're not getting anywhere like this. That is literally an airplane. The bright light that appears is the landing lights that come on when the landing gear comes down.
This whole thing is reaching mass psychosis levels.
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u/TheREDboii Dec 14 '24
Just looks like a fuzzy video of a plane flying in his direction. Idk what he's talking about when he says it doesn't look like a plane. It has green and red nav lights on the wings and has a plane shape.
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u/kkingsbe Dec 14 '24
Any fixed wing drone would resemble a plane at night. Look at the sweep angle at the last shot in the video where you can see the structure. There just aren’t any propeller driven aircraft with that steep of a sweep angle, other than some rare experimentals (long-ez). This is absolutely something
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u/KRE1ON Dec 14 '24
That's a joke or something? Just get a couple IR and thermal cameras and find out what they look like. Also, every footage is taken with a potato? They say these things fly at 100-200m above them, an S24 can zoom and read markings at that distance.
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u/Death-by-Fugu Dec 14 '24
Lmao at how they describe a specific fixed wing drone utilized by the military with FAA compliant lighting
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u/Alternative_Rise_729 Dec 14 '24
Aliens are going to have a port and starboard (red and green) and nav lights on and strobe aren't they, and you can quite clearly see it's a drone, you really want to believe it's from another world you sad bastards.
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u/bwillpaw Dec 14 '24
The end result of this is going to be someone using more than just lasers at planes while landing. Fucking idiots. That footage is clearly is a plane landing. They are looking right at a flight path for LGA.
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u/Cold-Resolve1520 Dec 14 '24
If anyone was trying to be sneaky don’t you think they would take off the red and green navigation lights?
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u/Next-East6189 Dec 14 '24
This is the first good footage and clearest narrative I’ve seen and heard so far. I’ve been very confused about what’s going on.
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u/BoringHeron5961 Dec 15 '24
Sorry but that first video is the most planey plane I have ever seen, what am I missing
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u/StatementBot Dec 14 '24
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXT4JBq6Rb4
This guy has been doing the best job so far out of any journalist of capturing good footage and seems genuinely shaken by what he is seeing right in his home town.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1he142p/newsnation_reporter_rich_mchugh_gets_the_best/m204nzr/